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expired Posted by RR12 • Sep 4, 2022
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X3000i 100%DCI-P3 True4K HDR-PRO colors for Open World Gaming Projector - $1999
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Wish price goes down little more..
For people who are wondering what is so special about this projector, here is a link for good review of this unit:
https://youtu.be/4OfC36LIXK4
Wish price goes down little more..
For people who are wondering what is so special about this projector, here is a link for good review of this unit:
https://youtu.be/4OfC36LIXK4
I got mine refurbished from Amazon and am using it as we speak it is incredible, even without a screen in full day light on a white popcorn wall in the rental I am staying in.
IT checked marked all the boxes for me, have yet to test 3-D as I left all my 3-D content at home while i traveled for work.
I got mine refurbished from Amazon and am using it as we speak it is incredible, even without a screen in full day light on a white popcorn wall in the rental I am staying in.
IT checked marked all the boxes for me, have yet to test 3-D as I left all my 3-D content at home while i traveled for work.
I started with the 3 Color TUBE projector and had low end to mid range projectors since.. Got a Sony 720P LCD lasted 7 yrs and
My 1st BENQ lasted 3yrs and then came up with a color defect - sale @ $2k..it was cheaper to get the BenQ HT2050 than fix the W7000 The BenQ HT2050 lasted 6 yrs from 2016 - HDMI board issue - ( may get it fixed? ) - The 3000i by BenQ looked great but last time I gave them 2K it did not last long enough. UHD55 commin in next week..I know my 3D glasses with def work with this unit as well.Giving it a try.
I started with the 3 Color TUBE projector and had low end to mid range projectors since.. Got a Sony 720P LCD lasted 7 yrs and
My 1st BENQ lasted 3yrs and then came up with a color defect - sale @ $2k..it was cheaper to get the BenQ HT2050 than fix the W7000 The BenQ HT2050 lasted 6 yrs from 2016 - HDMI board issue - ( may get it fixed? ) - The 3000i by BenQ looked great but last time I gave them 2K it did not last long enough. UHD55 commin in next week..I know my 3D glasses with def work with this unit as well.Giving it a try.
If there was a good UST for around this price I would have probably went after it but nothing good in the UST category under $2K currently exists that you can comfortably game on or watch 3-D.
If there was a good UST for around this price I would have probably went after it but nothing good in the UST category under $2K currently exists that you can comfortably game on or watch 3-D.
I have an older Vivitek 1080p DLP projector with a native contrast of ~2000:1 and even then black levels look comparable to what you'd see in some nicer movie theaters - slightly grey (i even use an ND filter for dark movies to bring the black floor down).
Seems like right now you have to choose between low latency and bulbless but poor contrast or higher latency, traditional bulb, but good contrast like the Epson UB series.
I'd love to see a modern laser DLP with higher contrast, I think that'd push me to upgrade.
I have an older Vivitek 1080p DLP projector with a native contrast of ~2000:1 and even then black levels look comparable to what you'd see in some nicer movie theaters - slightly grey (i even use an ND filter for dark movies to bring the black floor down).
Seems like right now you have to choose between low latency and bulbless but poor contrast or higher latency, traditional bulb, but good contrast like the Epson UB series.
I'd love to see a modern laser DLP with higher contrast, I think that'd push me to upgrade.
As for the X300i its gorgeous at night, this would be a perfect fit for a man cave, when I turn off the lights its nicer than my previous 1080 epson 3100 and that was a gorgeous projector meant for theater setups. I even tested the HDR on my Xbox and definitely makes a difference. I would not hesitate picking up a X3000i for a home theater. Also the high lumens means 3-D if thats important to you will pop a lot more in 3-D movies.
As for DLP's with higher contrast ratios and LED's they exist one just launched recently from viewsonic, I mentioned it in another thread I thought you were on:
https://www.viewsonic.c
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As for the X300i its gorgeous at night, this would be a perfect fit for a man cave, when I turn off the lights its nicer than my previous 1080 epson 3100 and that was a gorgeous projector meant for theater setups. I even tested the HDR on my Xbox and definitely makes a difference. I would not hesitate picking up a X3000i for a home theater. Also the high lumens means 3-D if thats important to you will pop a lot more in 3-D movies.
As for DLP's with higher contrast ratios and LED's they exist one just launched recently from viewsonic, I mentioned it in another thread I thought you were on:
https://www.viewsonic.com/us/prod...html#specs [viewsonic.com]
It has been tested by some users at AVS forum and ended up around 1000:1 to 1100:1. Better compared to many other 4k DLP projectors (typically around 500:1) it's no where near higher end LCOS (~30:000:1 native, JVC, Sony) or LCD projectors with a good dynamic iris (~4000:1 native, Epson).
I haven't seen this specific projector but most run of the mill movie theaters have a contrast around that level and black ends up looking very grey, especially how movies are so dark these days. I'm sure the colors are good though, I'm just looking for 3000:1 or better, my old 720p Marantz projector had a native contrast of 3500:1 and dark scenes were not distracting (though no where near LCOS level), it died though so I decided to jump to (budget) 1080p and with that came lower contrast.
I measured my own Vivitek h1186 with an i1 Display Pro at 1900:1 to 2000:1 (I'm a photographer so I calibrate all my displays). I have velvet curtains on my walls in my theater, and flat black ceilings, etc. I can see the lower contrast being fine with white walls but if you are looking for inky blacks it just won't cut it IMO (spoiled by FALD LCD and OLED displays nowadays).
Actually added an ND filter to my Vivitek to bring the brightness down more, at full lamp it's actually around 200nits (on screen which is different from at the lens of course, x3000i is around 225nits on a 120" screen) which also causes a really high black floor. I'm happy with 50nits and a much lower black floor in a fully light controlled room with dark walls.
The right way to measure contrast on these projectors is generally to have a white dot in the center to prevent the dynamic dimming and measure the black area, then measure full white and you have your contrast. The Vivitek for example has a black level of 0.025 nit and white of about 50 nit with ND filter.
As far as the X11-4K goes, we'll have to see how it measures. As you said, the specs mean nothing. If it does come close to 3000:1 that would be tempting for sure.
The Vivitek is actually 3D compatible and I did try it some years ago with active glasses, it's fine but really didn't impress me that much. I think it would be better on a 4k projector at 1080p the resolution hit was noticeable. I never really cared that much for 3D though so it's not a big draw in my case. My priority is a really nice 2D image, as close to OLED as possible but much larger of course.
Edit: Noticed the specs say the Viewsonic has HDMI 2.2.. Surely a typo
Edit 2: According to this [projectorcentral.com] the X11-4K is using a standard 0.47" DLP chip so it's pretty safe to assume it will be in the range of 400:1 to 600:1.
The reason the X3000i is able to get above 1000:1 is because of the larger 0.65" DMD.
I haven't seen any DLP's with the TI 0.78" chip, I'd assume with that chip we'd see 2000:1 and maybe higher.
I got mine refurbished from Amazon and am using it as we speak it is incredible, even without a screen in full day light on a white popcorn wall in the rental I am staying in.
IT checked marked all the boxes for me, have yet to test 3-D as I left all my 3-D content at home while i traveled for work.
It has been tested by some users at AVS forum and ended up around 1000:1 to 1100:1. Better compared to many other 4k DLP projectors (typically around 500:1) it's no where near higher end LCOS (~30:000:1 native, JVC, Sony) or LCD projectors with a good dynamic iris (~4000:1 native, Epson).
I haven't seen this specific projector but most run of the mill movie theaters have a contrast around that level and black ends up looking very grey, especially how movies are so dark these days. I'm sure the colors are good though, I'm just looking for 3000:1 or better, my old 720p Marantz projector had a native contrast of 3500:1 and dark scenes were not distracting (though no where near LCOS level), it died though so I decided to jump to (budget) 1080p and with that came lower contrast.
I measured my own Vivitek h1186 with an i1 Display Pro at 1900:1 to 2000:1 (I'm a photographer so I calibrate all my displays). I have velvet curtains on my walls in my theater, and flat black ceilings, etc. I can see the lower contrast being fine with white walls but if you are looking for inky blacks it just won't cut it IMO (spoiled by FALD LCD and OLED displays nowadays).
Actually added an ND filter to my Vivitek to bring the brightness down more, at full lamp it's actually around 200nits (on screen which is different from at the lens of course, x3000i is around 225nits on a 120" screen) which also causes a really high black floor. I'm happy with 50nits and a much lower black floor in a fully light controlled room with dark walls.
The right way to measure contrast on these projectors is generally to have a white dot in the center to prevent the dynamic dimming and measure the black area, then measure full white and you have your contrast. The Vivitek for example has a black level of 0.025 nit and white of about 50 nit with ND filter.
As far as the X11-4K goes, we'll have to see how it measures. As you said, the specs mean nothing. If it does come close to 3000:1 that would be tempting for sure.
The Vivitek is actually 3D compatible and I did try it some years ago with active glasses, it's fine but really didn't impress me that much. I think it would be better on a 4k projector at 1080p the resolution hit was noticeable. I never really cared that much for 3D though so it's not a big draw in my case. My priority is a really nice 2D image, as close to OLED as possible but much larger of course.
Edit: Noticed the specs say the Viewsonic has HDMI 2.2.. Surely a typo
Edit 2: According to this [projectorcentral.com] the X11-4K is using a standard 0.47" DLP chip so it's pretty safe to assume it will be in the range of 400:1 to 600:1.
The reason the X3000i is able to get above 1000:1 is because of the larger 0.65" DMD.
I haven't seen any DLP's with the TI 0.78" chip, I'd assume with that chip we'd see 2000:1 and maybe higher.
As for 3-D content on 4k or 1080 they are made only for 1080 so there is no improvement with having 4k for 3-D as they will only play in 1080 when 3-D is detected.
As for 3-D content on 4k or 1080 they are made only for 1080 so there is no improvement with having 4k for 3-D as they will only play in 1080 when 3-D is detected.
Yeah I think my 1080p projector did the same thing, bumped down to 720p/144hz or something like that for 3D.
I think for more typical setups, the 1000:1 contrast is not going to really matter when light is bouncing all over the place. Once you start going with room treatment and a dedicated room is where the lower contrast will start really showing up.
And of course a side by side comparison would really make it apparent.
Here is a decent image, although they use rated "dynamic" contrast instead of native contrast. The one on the left has about 1200:1 native contrast, the one on the right is about 5000:1.
https://guide.lightform
Photos can be somewhat deceiving though, but it shows the difference between lower and higher contrast ratio and what to look for.
Edit: it uses a color wheel
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Yeah I think my 1080p projector did the same thing, bumped down to 720p/144hz or something like that for 3D.
I think for more typical setups, the 1000:1 contrast is not going to really matter when light is bouncing all over the place. Once you start going with room treatment and a dedicated room is where the lower contrast will start really showing up.
And of course a side by side comparison would really make it apparent.
Here is a decent image, although they use rated "dynamic" contrast instead of native contrast. The one on the left has about 1200:1 native contrast, the one on the right is about 5000:1.
https://guide.lightform
Photos can be somewhat deceiving though, but it shows the difference between lower and higher contrast ratio and what to look for.
I totally understand the contrast ratio, but my earlier comment was just pointing out you cant always trust the listed contrast ratio as a indicator of how good something will be, as you pointed out when properly tested those numbers vary.
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