4-Camera 8MP 4K H.265 PoE Security System w/ 3X Optical Zoom & 2TB HDD

thedealguy79

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Quote from mat2000

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FYI - those new to security cameras .. if you need good low light performance look for cameras that have larger sensors ( in general .. of course there's more nuance to this, but that is a good rule .. )

So far all the Reolink cameras I have seen use more affordable and smaller sensors and do not do well in low light conditions

Which POE system would you recommend with better night vision?

mat2000

Sep 10, 2022 6:25 PM

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Quote from leeterbike

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Anyone looking for a quality setup, don't save money on the hardware. You'll spend more money and effort in pulling cable and mounting you're not going to want to upgrade frequently.

Lorex nocturnal systems are very nice for the money. Large sensors, encoding, metal housings, and 30fps. I frequently have customers disappointed at video quality of moving objects, cars in particular, that appear blurry when moving. That's what you'll get with a 15/20fps camera. Regardless of resolutions, the higher framerate is what most people notice and want.

leeterbike has an excellent point .. the time / effort / money to run the cabling is significant. If you plan to keep the home, it will pay off as long as you ran the cables to good positions.

This imho is the most important job / task to do .. once you've done a good job on this - you can change out the IP PoE cameras and kit to newer models as you need.

Note to everyone here: Lorex used to have some decent 8MP 1/1.8" cameras and kits with those cameras, which I would happily recommend .. and then add 1-2 4MP 1/1.8" Dahua OEM camera(s) to cover the most important low light position .. that was a good reasonable option. ( nothing is perfect in security camera world .. thus I like to augment a core IP PoE system with a couple of cloud cameras covering my front of the house )

Unfortunately, Lorex cameras that I have looked at recently all have smaller sensor models now Frown

... seems like 8MP and smaller sensors sell well enough to the consumers with other "smarty" bells and whistles .. ( which imho matter less .. )

Quote from SamsungS21

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Anyone recommend a good 16 poe NVR

Hi SamsungS21

Best to get the same OEM of the NVR as the cameras you are using . as well as getting the NVR model that supports that "tier" from that OEM .. ( tier, as in supporting certain AI / Smart / Motion functions .. )

Try to get more PoE ports / Channels than you initially think you need.

If you are going Reolink cameras - best to match them with Reolink Cameras
If you are going Lorex ( mostly Dahua OEM ), Amcrest, other brand cameras - those are Dahua OEM so you can go with a Dahua OEM NVR
( likewise with Hikvision .. LaView used to sell a lot of Hikvision Cameras .. )

note - you can also go the PC + VMS sotfware + PoE switch ..

Quote from xllbenllx

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could you entertain me and suggest some cams anyway? I've tried navigating ipcamtalk multiple times, and i dont know if it's me, but the information there is so convoluted. I can never find a definitive answer, just more of, here this camera that does this, here's that camera that does that, all these cameras suck, etc.

models would be great

Hi xllbenllx

Many new Models from Hikvision and Dahua come out each year, and vendors who use them as OEM rename them, so hard to keep up with the current models. ( that is it is not on the top of my head )

Often a new member introduction at ipcamtalk gets one of the frequent posters / volunteers to post a list of models they've been keeping up with.

Used to be SouthernYankee who would post a useful list .. sebastiantombs and wittaj having been posting some good info frequently of recent ..

I'd have to dig myself into ipcamtalk threads to find their or another volunteer's post ..

Quote from peste19

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For me the Costco deal looks better, it's $200 more but you also get 8 more cameras and get Costco's warranty and it's easy return policy. Specs wise they seem equivalent but maybe people here with more knowledge than me can correct me if I wrong

Hi peste

I really like Costco Return policy on security cameras .. ( note, do double check .. used to be a great return policy )

The Lorex kit they have on sale now .. I would swap 1-2 cameras with a 4MP 1/1.8" sensor dahua oem .. as the lorex kit looks like it is also Dahua OEM - so you may only need to sync the IP, user / password ..

Quote from gtiracer

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Looking for good 4K with optical zoom to add to my QNAP. Previously used Hikvision. What brands do you recommend that have larger sensors (I'll separately check QNAP compatibility).

TIA

Hi @gtiracer

Hikvision and Dahua are the top 2 brands I see recommended .. they make a lot of cameras tho, so you have to really look at the camera specs to find the models with larger sensors.

Quote from nolife

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I've had several coax/DVR all in one kits over the years, quality was low but got what I considered fair value out of them and they were good enough. Replaced a camera now and then for $25. I moved and left my setup behind. Now I want to up the ante and looking for a "good" 6 camera NVR setup in the $600-800 range. I look, read forums and comments like in this thread, get immediately overwhelmed with options and pricing and end up buying nothing. Repeat about every 3 months. Smilie

I guess it comes down to something I can't decide. Balance of absolute need to identify or just need to see what is/was going on at any given time. I live rural and not much going on. Set it and forget it, pull it up and review infrequently.

Hi nolife,

As you are in a rural area, and especially need low light camera(s)
I would start with one good varifocal 4MP 1/1.8" camera to play with and see what else you would like .. Hikvision or Dahua OEM ...

Perhaps you only need a couple of cameras to watch the driveway and frontdoor? Really depends on issues in your area .. ask the neighbors about safety related issues they've seen in the last 3 years. ( some rural areas got a lot of thieves .. )

Quote from 460X

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Reolink cameras as great - I have two of these cameras as stand-alone if any questions I can answer for anyone.

And usually untold is how great the mobile app, it's amazing. So many options and features if you want. And that's coming and helping friends with Revo, Arlo, Eufy, Ring and Lorex systems where their app is very basic, almost old school, the Reolink is great for power users. It's constantly being updated too with new features - just check out the app version history in your iOS or Android app store to see what I mean, and firmware releases for the camera itself.

One call out for anyone new into researching home security cameras. Any negative reviews for any camera company are usually about two things: battery life and wifi signal. This is why I went with PoE cameras to avoid both down sides. Once you read reviews about wired cameras, the reviews lean positive. Depends on what's possible in your home of course, but poe is worth the effort and add wifi cameras where it's a must.

Pro-Tip: the 2TB drive inside can be swapped out easily. Just click format once powered backup and that's it. And see this article: https://www.reddit.com/r/reolinkc...oe_switch/

Hi 460X

Challenge accepted..

PLEASE post low light image captures of your Reolinks of moving subject(s).

Youtube is a great place for all of us to use for such sharing of videos, or any other site which allows us to view 1080p+ without logging in. ( ipcamtalk, you have to create a free account to see larger images .. )

Quote from bcorwin85

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I'm really considering switching out of the nest ecosystem to probably eufy. I have all Nest Iq cameras - 3 indoor and 1 outdoor in that I still have new in the packaging and might sell due to how much they are selling for. This would fund the new eufy cams. The cams tend to constantly lag in The app which drives me crazy. The specs on the IQ cams are really good and you would think produce a really high quality picture. Does anyone have first hand experience on why eufys or others would produce better results than all neat cam IQs?

Hi bcorwin85

All cloud dependent cameras have lag.
All IP cameras have some lag.
All Apps have some lag.

You have to decide what is most important for your camera setup and what you are attempting to do.

Also, remember while these cameras are getting more "alarm system" type of features .. they're really not yet optimized to replace an alarm system.

That is, if you need to be alerted when someone walks on your property .. look for an alarm sensor product .. note some NVRs you can connect to alarm sensors ..

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mat2000

Sep 10, 2022 6:37 PM

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FYI - this looks like a decent deal for those not tied into the Reolink NVR setup .. it's a Hikvision OEM iirc

https://slickdeals.net/f/16028572-annke-fcd600-panoramic-outdoor-poe-dual-lens-security-camera-6mp-resolution-180-ultra-wide-angle-f-1-2-super-aperture-bsi-sensor-91-free-shipping?

bcorwin85

Sep 10, 2022 6:39 PM

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Quote from mat2000

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leeterbike has an excellent point .. the time / effort / money to run the cabling is significant. If you plan to keep the home, it will pay off as long as you ran the cables to good positions.

This imho is the most important job / task to do .. once you've done a good job on this - you can change out the IP PoE cameras and kit to newer models as you need.

Note to everyone here: Lorex used to have some decent 8MP 1/1.8" cameras and kits with those cameras, which I would happily recommend .. and then add 1-2 4MP 1/1.8" Dahua OEM camera(s) to cover the most important low light position .. that was a good reasonable option. ( nothing is perfect in security camera world .. thus I like to augment a core IP PoE system with a couple of cloud cameras covering my front of the house )

Unfortunately, Lorex cameras that I have looked at recently all have smaller sensor models now Frown

... seems like 8MP and smaller sensors sell well enough to the consumers with other "smarty" bells and whistles .. ( which imho matter less .. )

Hi SamsungS21

Best to get the same OEM of the NVR as the cameras you are using . as well as getting the NVR model that supports that "tier" from that OEM .. ( tier, as in supporting certain AI / Smart / Motion functions .. )

Try to get more PoE ports / Channels than you initially think you need.

If you are going Reolink cameras - best to match them with Reolink Cameras
If you are going Lorex ( mostly Dahua OEM ), Amcrest, other brand cameras - those are Dahua OEM so you can go with a Dahua OEM NVR
( likewise with Hikvision .. LaView used to sell a lot of Hikvision Cameras .. )

note - you can also go the PC + VMS sotfware + PoE switch ..

Hi xllbenllx

Many new Models from Hikvision and Dahua come out each year, and vendors who use them as OEM rename them, so hard to keep up with the current models. ( that is it is not on the top of my head )

Often a new member introduction at ipcamtalk gets one of the frequent posters / volunteers to post a list of models they've been keeping up with.

Used to be SouthernYankee who would post a useful list .. sebastiantombs and wittaj having been posting some good info frequently of recent ..

I'd have to dig myself into ipcamtalk threads to find their or another volunteer's post ..

Hi peste

I really like Costco Return policy on security cameras .. ( note, do double check .. used to be a great return policy )

The Lorex kit they have on sale now .. I would swap 1-2 cameras with a 4MP 1/1.8" sensor dahua oem .. as the lorex kit looks like it is also Dahua OEM - so you may only need to sync the IP, user / password ..

Hi @gtiracer

Hikvision and Dahua are the top 2 brands I see recommended .. they make a lot of cameras tho, so you have to really look at the camera specs to find the models with larger sensors.

Hi nolife,

As you are in a rural area, and especially need low light camera(s)
I would start with one good varifocal 4MP 1/1.8" camera to play with and see what else you would like .. Hikvision or Dahua OEM ...

Perhaps you only need a couple of cameras to watch the driveway and frontdoor? Really depends on issues in your area .. ask the neighbors about safety related issues they've seen in the last 3 years. ( some rural areas got a lot of thieves .. )

Hi 460X

Challenge accepted..

PLEASE post low light image captures of your Reolinks of moving subject(s).

Youtube is a great place for all of us to use for such sharing of videos, or any other site which allows us to view 1080p+ without logging in. ( ipcamtalk, you have to create a free account to see larger images .. )

Hi bcorwin85

All cloud dependent cameras have lag.
All IP cameras have some lag.
All Apps have some lag.

You have to decide what is most important for your camera setup and what you are attempting to do.

Also, remember while these cameras are getting more "alarm system" type of features .. they're really not yet optimized to replace an alarm system.

That is, if you need to be alerted when someone walks on your property .. look for an alarm sensor product .. note some NVRs you can connect to alarm sensors ..

Thanks for the replay mat. I guess maybe "lag" wasn't the correct term to use. My issue is a lot of times the cameras just spun when trying to load the live feed. Idk if that's a consistent issue with say the eufy, etc. I know the Nest Cam IQs are not the newest cams but the specs line up equally or above a lot of others. I'm comfortable with these IP cameras in regards to "security" and their notification systems, I'm just trying to involve myself in what people consider to be the most dependable with quality. I'm hesitant to say I love the nest as a whole so far but it seems that the specs/quality of the IQ cams in specific hold up to others. Doesn't make them the "best" tho. I'm really just interested in live feeds/notifications in activity/ recording history. The more "security system" aside.

mat2000

Sep 10, 2022 6:45 PM

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Quote from thedealguy79

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Which POE system would you recommend with better night vision?

Hi Thedealguy79

imho Just about any proper POE system will be better in low light than what I have seen of Reolink ..

Reolink really is the king of the most affordable IP PoE cameras .. they're not fully compatible to specs, and you can see that when you need iframes to work well ( reports that some models with some firmware may fix this .. depends on the model .. )

Right now, I believe the best value / performance is getting a used business class PC running a VMS ( like Blue Iris ) and a good PoE switch ( perhaps a used HP Pro Curve ) and picking either Hikvision OEM and / or Dahua OEM cameras for each position you need covered.

For example, you may only need 2-3 good low light cameras covering the front of your house, and be ok with more affordable cameras covering the backyard and side of the house ..

I know: "oh man .. can't I just pull out my credit card and pay less for solving this check box .. " just does not work well in this case.

If you are new to this, I highly recommend just getting one decent 4MP 1/1.8" varifocal camera and a long cat5e/cat6 cable and small poe switch and learning more and seeing what positions you want to cover.

Once you know more you can keep that good camera and use it in the most critical spot and buy more affordable cameras in other spot.

konoplya

Sep 10, 2022 6:47 PM

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Quote from mat2000

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Hi fullauto2009 ..

It's like guns .. do you buy a Hi-Point or a S&W / Colt / Beretta / SIG / HP ..

Or since you like full auto ..

is a Sten good enough? or do you go M-4 / AK-74 or a M2 ?

Reolink imho is sort of like the Hi-Point of cameras ..

What's the ak74 of cameras?

mat2000

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Quote from bcorwin85

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Thanks for the replay mat. I guess maybe "lag" wasn't the correct term to use. My issue is a lot of times the cameras just spun when trying to load the live feed. Idk if that's a consistent issue with say the eufy, etc. I know the Nest Cam IQs are not the newest cams but the specs line up equally or above a lot of others. I'm comfortable with these IP cameras in regards to "security" and their notification systems, I'm just trying to involve myself in what people consider to be the most dependable with quality. I'm hesitant to say I love the nest as a whole so far but it seems that the specs/quality of the IQ cams in specific hold up to others. Doesn't make them the "best" tho. I'm really just interested in live feeds/notifications in activity/ recording history. The more "security system" aside.

HI @bcorwin85

Cloud dependent cameras are problematic in my view, thus why I really like my core system to be an IP PoE wired system, and augment that with a few could cameras.

Nest has a good reputation for a cloud depend camera system as does eufy .. still just too many hops and reliabilities issues for me to be reliant on them.

If you are home when doing this .. I would look to get a local only camera setup and use the WLAN to connect to it ..

mat2000

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Quote from konoplya

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What's the ak74 of cameras?

Hikvision or Dahua OEM makes AK74s of cameras .. they also make AK47s, AKMs, AR clones ... as well as DShKs and 22s

BoniJ

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Quote from bcorwin85

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I'm really considering switching out of the nest ecosystem to probably eufy. I have all Nest Iq cameras - 3 indoor and 1 outdoor in that I still have new in the packaging and might sell due to how much they are selling for. This would fund the new eufy cams. The cams tend to constantly lag in The app which drives me crazy. The specs on the IQ cams are really good and you would think produce a really high quality picture. Does anyone have first hand experience on why eufys or others would produce better results than all neat cam IQs?

Don't bother with eufy. It's nothing special. Missed some recordings of people going in my driveway but it sure picks up on any plant moving! I got the nest iq and they are great for indoor but overpriced. I don't want anything newer from them because the google app is trash.

bcorwin85

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Quote from mat2000

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HI @bcorwin85

Cloud dependent cameras are problematic in my view, thus why I really like my core system to be an IP PoE wired system, and augment that with a few could cameras.

Nest has a good reputation for a cloud depend camera system as does eufy .. still just too many hops and reliabilities issues for me to be reliant on them.

If you are home when doing this .. I would look to get a local only camera setup and use the WLAN to connect to it ..

Thanks again for the reply mat. Completely understand what your saying and the problems you see. My issue is I live in a tri level house and the wiring would be a nightmare if they all had to wire to a central hub (if that is what your referring to specifically). I only want to use wired cameras for power so I feel comfortable with keeping power and can make that work I just wouldn't be able to wire all indoor cameras and any I'm able to get outdoors to one central spot. If you have specific recommendations that would work like that I'd love to hear your thoughts. Thanks!

GimpsUnlimited

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I bought 2x sets of RLN8-410-E systems in 2020. One is installed externally and one internally. To date, they still work well. The recording are crystal clear at daytime and decent at night. However, I learned a few things. My model was discontinued, thus without support. As a result, I am stuck with the OEM 2.0.x firmware whereas the newer models are on 3.x firmware. Also oddly, the system only support max HDD capacity of 4TB. Which is weird. It would have been awesome if it could support unlimited storage so that I can swap it with a 10TB or 16TB HDD.

Overall, I am happy with it. For a consumer system, it is well priced and performs well above competitors.

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Quote from mat2000

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Hikvision or Dahua OEM makes AK74s of cameras .. they also make AK47s, AKMs, AR clones ... as well as DShKs and 22s

Thanks. So in order to use something like blue iris i have to have a PC and not an NVR?

bcorwin85

Sep 10, 2022 6:58 PM

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Quote from BoniJ

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Don't bother with eufy. It's nothing special. Missed some recordings of people going in my driveway but it sure picks up on any plant moving! I got the nest iq and they are great for indoor but overpriced. I don't want anything newer from them because the google app is trash.

Thanks for the reply as well BoniJ. I have all IQs indoors that I use but a lot of times they won't load in the app - just spin. I have a brand new IQ outdoor but before I do the work to get it set up and wired I just want to make sure there isn't a better option out there. Since they are all IQs I can use the best app and not deal with the google home app which appears to be a lot of people preference - and probably why I could sell the new outdoor IQ I have for so much.

mat2000

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Quote from xllbenllx

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mat2000, can you suggest a comparable camera in the same-ish price range besides the amcrest? The amcrest is 5mp, correct? is there something comparable in the 8mp space?

you mention that it's been a bad market for cams, and what to look for in terms of sensor size, but do you have specific models you can list off so I (we) can get an idea of what's decent?

Hi xllbenllx

Found a post by sebastiantombs where he has a list of cameras and links to reviews to consider ..

3rd post in this thread ..
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/is-...ons.65181/

wittaj post here is also good if you have not yet looked at it ...
https://ipcamtalk.com/threads/the...ion.62472/

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