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Extra Savings on Refurbished Dell Latitude 7390 & 7390 2-in-1 Touch Laptops

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Nov 1, 2022 2:12 PM
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wildpig1234Nov 1, 2022 2:12 PM
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the non2in1 includes a sim tray and antenna for the lte modem. The 2in1 does not come with sim tray or antenna wiring.

Both has the m2 2230 slot that you can fit in another ssd or lte modem. without the sim tray and antenna in the 2in1, the lte modem will not work. lol...

I bought the modem just to try. about $12 each
Nov 1, 2022 5:12 PM
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HappyDome8591Nov 1, 2022 5:12 PM
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Quote from wildpig1234 :
the non2in1 includes a sim tray and antenna for the lte modem. The 2in1 does not come with sim tray or antenna wiring.

Both has the m2 2230 slot that you can fit in another ssd or lte modem. without the sim tray and antenna in the 2in1, the lte modem will not work. lol...

I bought the modem just to try. about $12 each
The 2 in 1 does have a SIM tray. Not sure about the wiring but 2230/WWAN slot is left open and out of the factory you can configure it with LTE, or secondary NVMe storage. The optional factory modem (I think Snapdragon X9) is quite old but these are generic cards (much like NVMe harddrives specific models don't matter) so I recommend going to the new generation like X20 (on the Latitude 7420).

I would personally skip the modem and just go with tethering, and save the slot for storage expansion.
Last edited by HappyDome8591 November 1, 2022 at 10:23 AM.
Nov 1, 2022 9:13 PM
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wildpig1234Nov 1, 2022 9:13 PM
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Quote from HappyDome8591 :
The 2 in 1 does have a SIM tray. Not sure about the wiring but 2230/WWAN slot is left open and out of the factory you can configure it with LTE, or secondary NVMe storage. The optional factory modem (I think Snapdragon X9) is quite old but these are generic cards (much like NVMe harddrives specific models don't matter) so I recommend going to the new generation like X20 (on the Latitude 7420).

I would personally skip the modem and just go with tethering, and save the slot for storage expansion.
Maybe yr 2in1 has a sim tray included. mine is just basically blocked off by a plastic insert. I am not even sure if there is an actual sim slot. Also there is no antenna for the modem on my 2in1. In my non2in1, there are two antenna wires for it as well as proper ejectable sim tray.

Yeah, i think the idea of sim cards in a laptop is a lot less important now that everyone has a cell phone that has hotspot option. But it is cool to have it or at least the supposed gps in it. I still couldn't get the gps inside the X7 modem to work yet. ;( oh well, i guess it's best just to put an nvme in there.
Nov 2, 2022 3:39 AM
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45WheelgunNov 2, 2022 3:39 AM
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Quote from wildpig1234 :
Maybe yr 2in1 has a sim tray included. mine is just basically blocked off by a plastic insert. I am not even sure if there is an actual sim slot. Also there is no antenna for the modem on my 2in1. In my non2in1, there are two antenna wires for it as well as proper ejectable sim tray.

Yeah, i think the idea of sim cards in a laptop is a lot less important now that everyone has a cell phone that has hotspot option. But it is cool to have it or at least the supposed gps in it. I still couldn't get the gps inside the X7 modem to work yet. ;( oh well, i guess it's best just to put an nvme in there.
I picked up a $12 modem myself. Antenna are readily available in the $6-$10 range but I have no clue who to disassemble the screen to properly install them.

With proper instructions I'd have no issue,l installing them, but without them, I'm not brave enough to take the unit apart.

I wonder if they would function if stashed somewhere in the main body?

My 2in1 sees the card, loads the drivers and appears perfectly happen - just has "no signal".

My 7390 touch (with factory antenna) works perfectly, just waiting for me to signup for $80/month for service.
Nov 2, 2022 3:08 PM
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wildpig1234Nov 2, 2022 3:08 PM
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Quote from 45Wheelgun :
I picked up a $12 modem myself. Antenna are readily available in the $6-$10 range but I have no clue who to disassemble the screen to properly install them.

With proper instructions I'd have no issue,l installing them, but without them, I'm not brave enough to take the unit apart.

I wonder if they would function if stashed somewhere in the main body?

My 2in1 sees the card, loads the drivers and appears perfectly happen - just has "no signal".

My 7390 touch (with factory antenna) works perfectly, just waiting for me to signup for $80/month for service.
Antenna likely works best when stringed along the screen due to not being obstructed by palms as well as higher location. But probably too hard to do it retrospectively.

I have no doubt the 2in1 would also detect card fine but without antenna, it just won't have any reception at all.

As for the touch, did you ever get the gps in the modem to work? Mine detected a tmobile unactivated sim card. But i am not able to get the gps to work even after installing the gnss driver and it showing up in device manager.

I have a feeling that the mobile network support won't be very good because these X7 modem are non 5G devices.

If i can't get GPS to work, then I guess i have no choice but to just put in another nvme ssd but it's cool to have a gps in the laptop if nothing else Wink
Nov 3, 2022 4:43 PM
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HappyDome8591Nov 3, 2022 4:43 PM
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Quote from 45Wheelgun :
I picked up a $12 modem myself. Antenna are readily available in the $6-$10 range but I have no clue who to disassemble the screen to properly install them.

With proper instructions I'd have no issue,l installing them, but without them, I'm not brave enough to take the unit apart.

I wonder if they would function if stashed somewhere in the main body?

My 2in1 sees the card, loads the drivers and appears perfectly happen - just has "no signal".

My 7390 touch (with factory antenna) works perfectly, just waiting for me to signup for $80/month for service.
This whole laptop is pretty servicable, so I have no doubt you can install it if you really want, but it will take some work to get everything disassembled. It will be similar to this [dell.com] manual [dell.com] (for a totally different laptop but they all look pretty similar) I would just wrap the antennae around the bottom case like you said. You'll have worse reception compared to a proper install but it should still work.

Actually a closer inspection of the manual indicates you need some antennae modules specific to the laptop model in the display assembly. So you will need the specific screen that comes with those cables or else you won't get reception.

Quote from wildpig1234 :
Antenna likely works best when stringed along the screen due to not being obstructed by palms as well as higher location. But probably too hard to do it retrospectively.

I have no doubt the 2in1 would also detect card fine but without antenna, it just won't have any reception at all.

As for the touch, did you ever get the gps in the modem to work? Mine detected a tmobile unactivated sim card. But i am not able to get the gps to work even after installing the gnss driver and it showing up in device manager.

I have a feeling that the mobile network support won't be very good because these X7 modem are non 5G devices.

If i can't get GPS to work, then I guess i have no choice but to just put in another nvme ssd but it's cool to have a gps in the laptop if nothing else Wink
I think my Windows 8 Tablet back in the 2015 days has GPS. Back then Microsoft had a licensing deal with Nokia to supply maps data so you can possibly use it as a navigation device (I believe for 10 years, or until 2024). I don't think it is too relevant now. But I have no experience with this X7 chip so I can't tell you how to get it working.
Last edited by HappyDome8591 November 3, 2022 at 10:13 AM.
Nov 4, 2022 1:02 AM
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wildpig1234Nov 4, 2022 1:02 AM
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Quote from 45Wheelgun :
I picked up a $12 modem myself. Antenna are readily available in the $6-$10 range but I have no clue who to disassemble the screen to properly install them.
Quote from HappyDome8591 :
[S]This whole laptop is pretty servicable, so I have no doubt you can install it if you really want, but it will take some work to get everything disassembled.
I made the mistake of ordering the wrong ssd for the wwan slot. This wwan slot is not a universal slot. It is keyed for wwan and m2 sata ssd, nvme ssd won't fit in the slot due to the way it is keyed ;(

Also you need to get the 2242 ssd. I made the mistake of getting a 2230 one ;(

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Nov 4, 2022 2:09 AM
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HappyDome8591Nov 4, 2022 2:09 AM
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Quote from wildpig1234 :
I made the mistake of ordering the wrong ssd for the wwan slot. This wwan slot is not a universal slot. It is keyed for wwan and m2 sata ssd, nvme ssd won't fit in the slot due to the way it is keyed ;(

Also you need to get the 2242 ssd. I made the mistake of getting a 2230 one ;(
Wait are you sure about 2242? I see that Dell [dell.com] says 2230 for the 7390 2-in-1. And also their store [dell.com] sells 2230 expansions for this model.

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Secondary Storage:
  • 128 GB M.2 2230 PCIeSSD
  • 256 GB M.2 2230 PCIeSSD
Nov 4, 2022 2:31 AM
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HappyDome8591Nov 4, 2022 2:31 AM
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So I've been running the laptop on Turbo off in BIOS for some time and I can almost feel the laptop being a bit slow. I turned Turbo back on, and dug deeper into Windows settings. I found out that you can cap the maximum frequency in Windows rather than using the Turbo setting.

Basically for all the Intel CPUs the frequency caps are recommended values, there is very little technical difference* between an i7 8650u/8550u vs an i5 8350u/8250u in terms of power/frequency ratio (i.e. no reason i5 8350u is cap at 1.7GHz rather than 1.8GHz other than artificial segmentation). If you cap all of them at 2GHz, they will have very similar performance and heat characteristics. (They obviously have different Max Turbo Frequency, but most of the time you don't want to be using those frequencies because of the power consumption - notebookcheck measured 40W at max frequency for this generation which cannot be sustained in most notebooks)

Anyway, I found the sweet spot for my unit to be at 2.5~2.8GHz. It will pull a reasonable amount of power (monitored with HWMonitor) while performing 50% faster than Turbo off (1.7GHz). A higher frequency results in much higher power with less performance gain.

To cap the CPU frequency you need to change the following registry key and set the frequency in power settings. (And keep Maximum processor state to 100 the default value)

Code:
HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\54533251-82be-4824-96c1-47b60b740d00\75b0ae3f-bce0-45a7-8c89-c9611c25e100\Attributes=2
* This is a bit over simplified, there is binning going on but the overall difference is very small.
Nov 4, 2022 5:39 AM
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wildpig1234Nov 4, 2022 5:39 AM
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Quote from HappyDome8591 :
Wait are you sure about 2242? I see that Dell [dell.com] says 2230 for the 7390 2-in-1. And also their store [dell.com] sells 2230 expansions for this model.
I have no idea how they can fit the usual m2 2230 nvme into the wwan slot. Take a look at the two included pictures for both the 2in1 and the non 2in1. Please zoom in.

You will notice how the wwan slot is keyed so that you can't fit in a nvme ssd. also, the wifi card is actually a 2230 size. so you can clearly see that the wwan slot is not a 2230 size but is slightly bigger.
Nov 4, 2022 6:15 AM
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HappyDome8591Nov 4, 2022 6:15 AM
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Quote from wildpig1234 :
I have no idea how they can fit the usual m2 2230 nvme into the wwan slot. Take a look at the two included pictures for both the 2in1 and the non 2in1. Please zoom in.

You will notice how the wwan slot is keyed so that you can't fit in a nvme ssd. also, the wifi card is actually a 2230 size. so you can clearly see that the wwan slot is not a 2230 size but is slightly bigger.
Well. I think you're right and Dell is wrong. The WWAN card (DW5811e/SnapDragon X7) itself is B keyed 30x42. So it looks like you need to get a B keyed PCIe 2242 SSD. So confusing!!

Edit: Took a quick look and most manufacturer are making either NVMe (which is M key and not compatible with the WWAN slot) or B key M2 drives using SATA interface (limited to 6Gbps). So it really isn't a good choice for secondary storage expansion. This is one option [amazon.com] by an unknown manufacturer.
Last edited by HappyDome8591 November 3, 2022 at 11:41 PM.
Nov 4, 2022 12:49 PM
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wildpig1234Nov 4, 2022 12:49 PM
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Quote from HappyDome8591 :
Well. I think you're right and Dell is wrong. The WWAN card (DW5811e/SnapDragon X7) itself is B keyed 30x42. So it looks like you need to get a B keyed PCIe 2242 SSD. So confusing!!

Edit: Took a quick look and most manufacturer are making either NVMe (which is M key and not compatible with the WWAN slot) or B key M2 drives using SATA interface (limited to 6Gbps). So it really isn't a good choice for secondary storage expansion. This is one option [amazon.com] by an unknown manufacturer.
Yeah, you can use any ssd in the wwan slot as long as it's a M2 2242 sata format. sad because they could've installed a more universal non keyed slot. the sata ones are slower and also more expensive than the nvme ones. I suppose dell could've sold some sort of adapter that will let you fit the m2 2230 nvme into that wwan slot but then it will likely operate at reduced speed.

Come to think of it, have you ever seen a completely non keyed pcie slot in any laptop that does not have any keying to allow for acceptance of all cards? I can't remember ever seeing one. wonder why...
Nov 5, 2022 12:18 AM
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HappyDome8591Nov 5, 2022 12:18 AM
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Quote from wildpig1234 :
Come to think of it, have you ever seen a completely non keyed pcie slot in any laptop that does not have any keying to allow for acceptance of all cards? I can't remember ever seeing one. wonder why...
No, I don't think they exist.
Nov 9, 2022 3:03 PM
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On arrival - the battery in my 7390 had multiple dead cells. I called and Dell refurbished overnighted me a brand new one.

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wildpig1234Nov 10, 2022 2:11 AM
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Quote from tica :
On arrival - the battery in my 7390 had multiple dead cells. I called and Dell refurbished overnighted me a brand new one.
Pretty apparent to everyone now that the refurb process just consists of wiping the laptop with a damp cloth and reload the ssd with a clean windows install, pack in a box and ship.

Absolutely zero quality control or check of anything else aside from making sure the damn thing boots up and accepts the writing of the images onto the ssd.

At least they have been fairly responsive in sending out good batteries. I think we have all so far got replacement batteries with at least 50+Whr out of 60. So if your battery is anything less than 50Wh, it worth asking them for a replacement. Make sure to say your laptop doesn't last more than 90 min of usage on battery.
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