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frontpagerrampras posted Nov 03, 2022 05:40 PM
frontpagerrampras posted Nov 03, 2022 05:40 PM

Upgrade Premier Savings Accounts:

($1,000 Minimum Deposit)

3.5% APY

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Upgrade is offering 3.5% APY when you open a Premier Savings Account with minimum $1,000 deposit.

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  • About this deal:
    • Rates are subject to change.
    • No monthly account fees or transfer fees
    • Online transfers to and from other banks
      • Same-day transfers of $100,000 or less to / from other banks
    • FDIC insured up to $250,000 through Cross River Bank, Member FDIC
  • About Upgrade:
    • For more info about Upgrade, click here.
  • Please refer to the forum thread for additional details & discussion. -StrawMan86

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Upgrade is offering 3.5% APY when you open a Premier Savings Account with minimum $1,000 deposit.

Thanks to Community Member rrampras for posting this deal.

Editor's Notes

Written by StrawMan86 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Rates are subject to change.
    • No monthly account fees or transfer fees
    • Online transfers to and from other banks
      • Same-day transfers of $100,000 or less to / from other banks
    • FDIC insured up to $250,000 through Cross River Bank, Member FDIC
  • About Upgrade:
    • For more info about Upgrade, click here.
  • Please refer to the forum thread for additional details & discussion. -StrawMan86

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ImaPuppy
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Unfortunately that's not how it works. Savings account rates (and other interest-bearing products) are based on various dated bond yields as well as interest rates they charge clients for loan products (which are correlated). These don't magically change based on what the Fed does, but on what they're expected to do. The 75bps rate hike was already priced into bond yields (taking yield curve flattening aside). What wasn't priced in, and why savings rates are higher now than they were, say, a year or two ago, is precisely the divergence from expectation at that time: The Fed guidance indicated fewer hikes of less amounts (0-25bps) and have exceeded that..but that was only really known over the last few months as they consistently shift guidance, or the "target rate" via a dot plot.

The point I'm making is, if the Fed meets expectations (currently 50bps-50bps-25bps-pause) over the next 4 meetings, the rates will theoretically stay where they are.

To use a real-world example, it's the same reason why mortgage rates have been rising gradually and why they didn't suddenly rise 75bps yesterday or today upon the Fed hike announcement. It's because it was already priced in.

Edit: Note, I'm leaving quite a bit of nuance and detail out of this and am not picking on you in particular. I just see quite a bit of misunderstanding about how consumer interest rate products react to Fed overnight rate hikes and when.

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James Mason
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Just wait a little bit. The Feds raised the rate yesterday, These CD, savings, etc. rates will go up.
badger1440
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Discover just went up to 2.75% and still time to grab off up to $450 bonus

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Quote from scgt1 :
Does anyone have input on this one?
https://www.nerdwallet.com/review...ufb-direct
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scgt1Nov 10, 2022 02:49 PM
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Thank you I'll read up in a bit. New to this whole stashing money and actually earning something on it. Been dragging my feet on my share of an estate house sale. Chase naturally has loved the money is sitting in my checking but it isn't benefiting me any. laugh out loud
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SlvrFoxNov 10, 2022 08:12 PM
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UFB Direct is at the top once again @ 3.83%!
They keep changing the savings acct name, so you have to call them to get the increased rate, if you have the 3.16% account or lower! You can do it on the Savings acct you don't need the Money Market acct.
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chicago_clubsNov 11, 2022 02:14 AM
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Discover is now 3%
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tunabreathNov 11, 2022 12:32 PM
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Quote from SlvrFox :
UFB Direct is at the top once again @ 3.83%!
They keep changing the savings acct name, so you have to call them to get the increased rate, if you have the 3.16% account or lower! You can do it on the Savings acct you don't need the Money Market acct.
So is this a tactic they use everytime they increase interest rates, they change the name of the account type to avoid offering the higher rate? I'd rather not have to call everytime rates are increased given it has been so frequently lately.

Right now I am in Ally at 2.75. An online calculator tells me that with a deposit of $100k into Capital One (3 prcnt plus $1k bonus), I come out slightly ahead versus putting that $100k into UFB.
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Quote from tunabreath :
So is this a tactic they use everytime they increase interest rates, they change the name of the account type to avoid offering the higher rate? I'd rather not have to call everytime rates are increased given it has been so frequently lately.

Right now I am in Ally at 2.75. An online calculator tells me that with a deposit of $100k into Capital One (3 prcnt plus $1k bonus), I come out slightly ahead versus putting that $100k into UFB.
Yes, the $1K bonus flips the scale.
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RonnieTheBearNov 11, 2022 04:39 PM
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Quote from PoorFatKid :
Yes, the $1K bonus flips the scale.
It does, but just for the first year. A month or two after that, your savings would've done better in UFB. Something to consider if you were planning on parking that money for a while rather than chasing the next best signup bonus / APY.

If you don't mind moving your money around and really want to maximize your value, optimal move would be park the $100K balance in Capital One for 3 months until you've earned the $1k signup bonus, then move it all to UFB.

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Quote from RonnieTheBear :
It does, but just for the first year. A month or two after that, your savings would've done better in UFB. Something to consider if you were planning on parking that money for a while rather than chasing the next best signup bonus / APY.

If you don't mind moving your money around and really want to maximize your value, optimal move would be park the $100K balance in Capital One for 3 months until you've earned the $1k signup bonus, then move it all to UFB.
Agreed. Get the bonus and move. Unless of course Capital One raises their rates comparable to UFB... Rates are changing rapidly these days.
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irishtroll1984Nov 12, 2022 01:01 AM
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Quote from ImaPuppy :
Sure, that's all accurate but to be fair, that doesn't really change what I've said. It's based on what the Fed does, relative to what the Fed was expected to do. Go look at breakevens to understand first of all what expected inflation will be and as an effect of that, what the target rate might be. This can be calculated (right now 50-50-25-pause), so what I said isn't inaccurate, I just didn't write out a multi-page explanation so as to get the general point across becasue the sheer mass of people who believe their rates will change "if the Fed hikes" is staggering and misinformed.

There are countless reddit threads across various subs asking whether they should lock in a mortgage rate the day before the FOMC thinking they'll get a mortgage rate the exact bps lower than the Fed is hiking. And those posts aren't universally corrected. It's a real issue in financial literacy and this extends to savings accounts.
Well I would never listen to reddit threads. These were the same ppl telling everyone that would listen that "crypto was a good investment". You're dealing with ppl that chase popular theory and espouse those views to, unfortunately, influence others.

It does change what you said because what you stated was partially incorrect. As I had already prognosticated, my online savings account rate went up 0.50%. This is now about a week after the Fed raised rates. The bond market is an entirely separate entity. It is actively traded by traders. Everything the Fed does influences it (they have three tools: raising/reducing the reserve requirement, buying/selling bonds, and raising/lowering interest rates). But when it comes to deposit rates, the only thing that it affects is the rate you get on your deposits. They have a reserve requirement they need to meet weekly (reserve requirement set by Fed), and when they don't meet it, they need to borrow from other banks on the "overnight" rate to meet it. It is easier to get loose when that rate is virtually nothing, but as it gets higher, it isn't so easy. So, if the Fed is at a target rate of 4%, they're better off advertising a deposit rate of 3.5% to attract your money rather than paying the overnight rate to member banks.

Hence, when the Fed raises rates, it directly influences deposit rates to you. I was at 3% APR when I made my original statement, and now I am at 3.5% a little over a week later.

And mortgage rates are dictated by the 10-year yield bond market. Those bonds are influenced by perception in monetary policy (tightening influences higher rates, loosening influences lower rates). Again, those rates ultimately move on multiple perceptions of various tools of monetary policy (bond buying/selling, interest rate increases/decreases). They are two totally separate things (deposit account rates and mortgage rates).
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Quote from RonnieTheBear :
It does, but just for the first year. A month or two after that, your savings would've done better in UFB. Something to consider if you were planning on parking that money for a while rather than chasing the next best signup bonus / APY.

If you don't mind moving your money around and really want to maximize your value, optimal move would be park the $100K balance in Capital One for 3 months until you've earned the $1k signup bonus, then move it all to UFB.
I think that will be by plan.

Capital One T&C says:

Certain deposit transactions initiated through the Capital One website to retrieve funds from your external account are subject to limits. If you are subject to these limits, in order to meet the offer requirements, you would need to initiate the deposit by another external method, such as mobile deposit or setting the initial deposit to send (rather than be retrieved from) from your external financial institution.


Can anyone with a Capital One accnt comment on what the limits are? I would be transferring from Ally.
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r6parkerNov 12, 2022 03:19 PM
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Brilliant Bank 4.01% https://www.brilliant.bank/saving/
It bothers me that banks don't link directly to their verified FDIC page....

That's a stellar rate though.
have you done business with this bank?
any pros/cons worth mentioning?
Thanks for the share
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tunabreathNov 12, 2022 04:23 PM
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It bothers me that banks don't link directly to their verified FDIC page....

That's a stellar rate though.
have you done business with this bank?
any pros/cons worth mentioning?
Thanks for the share
https://www7.fdic.gov/idasp/exter...ert1=25858

It also appears Brilliant bank doesn't offer savings accnts in all states, mine of course being one of them it seems.
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walk2remNov 13, 2022 11:42 PM
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Quote from tunabreath :
https://www7.fdic.gov/idasp/exter...ert1=25858

It also appears Brilliant bank doesn't offer savings accnts in all states, mine of course being one of them it seems.
Its actually a money market account and not a saving account. If you look under Checking account do you not see "ELECTRIC Money Market" account?

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RonnieTheBearNov 14, 2022 03:34 AM
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Helped my sister in law sign up for a Brilliant MM Savings account today. The rate after she signed up was only 3.93% instead of the 4.01% they advertised, but she hadn't funded it yet, maybe it changes afterwards. In either case, still the highest rate out there.

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