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Benchmade used to offer good values. They were attractive, durable, high performance designs made in America with premium materials and tight tolerances. I had a 2550 Mini Reflex Auto and it was one of the best knives I've ever owned. It was around $145 in 2015...bought it the day my god given right to self defense using the method of my choice was affirmed in my state. I tried the updated 2551 a couple years ago when I lost my 2550 and it was over $200 with tax, and the pivot was sloppy (even the dealer agreed it was poor QC and adjustment wouldn't fix it).

Their value proposition is horrendous now. They are asking ultra premium prices for plastic handled knives and old designs using mid grade steels with questionable quality control in my experience. The $125 bugout has a plastic handle. It's a great knife IF you replace the handles, but then it's $200+ and many other options open up. The $175 redoubt has a plastic handle. Maybe you thought you'd upgrade and get an auto, how about a $250 claymore? ERR, plastic handle. Ok, the $300+ shootout has to be well made right? Ok, this is embarrassing for a $300 knife...also a plastic handle. They must all then have super exotic blades then? Also, no. Many are D2, 154CM, or S30V. What about a Phateton? Well, it's $400 now but is essentially identical to what USED to be called the HK turmoil, which used to be $200 lol. What about the MIGHTY INFIDEL!? Sigh...it's nearly as much as a new Glock, with the same 15 year old design and the same D2 steel found in $30 chinese folders Facepalm

The it's made in america so the cost is high argument is BS. There are many US made makers that offer much higher value, like Microtech, Guardian Tactical, Pro Tech, Kershaw US, and the list goes on. The Benchmade name was built to mean something, and now they're selling it out in the name of corporate greed.

Buy American but buy something else until they get back to caring about knives as much as they do money.
I've always wanted a Spyderco so I can practice my Spydy flick lol. Its admittedly less than stellar at the moment.

My encounter with the sloppy 2551 could have been a rare instance. Even still, QC should have caught it for a $200 knife. Despite that, I feel the shift to plastic components at these prices is in itself the quality decline, which is intimately woven into the overpricing in my opinion. They are two problems born of the same change. Go plastic but cut the price, or keep or raise the price but keep material quality high. Don't cut materials AND raise costs, significantly.

I'm carrying a Microtech UTX85 in M390 at the moment. Fantastic knife. Never misfires, and after 9 months of use without sharpening it, the blade is still LITERALLY sharp enough to shave with lol. I paid $250 for it from an official dealer, tax included. It has the same lifetime warranty, all metal construction, and was made in North Carolina.

If anyone is looking for a knife for personal carry, or as a gift, feel free to respond with preferences and a budget and I'll be happy to give some suggestions. You don't have to spend a fortune to get a quality pocket knife!

* * * IF ANY BENCHMADE ASSOCIATE IS READING THIS, THEY'D BE WISE TO RESEARCH HOW SEARS AND SPECIFICALLY THE CRAFTSMAN BRAND OF TOOLS FELL OFF THEIR PEDESTAL. THEY CHOSE PRICE OVER QUALITY, THEN HAD LOWER QUALITY AND HIGH PRICES, AND NOW STANLEY IS THANKFULLY TRYING TO REHABILITATE THE NAME * * *
Spyderco…

Not sure about a drop in quality but I do feel Benchmade is getting too expensive.

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11-18-2022 at 09:50 AM.
11-18-2022 at 09:50 AM.
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Some of those posters do understand this topic quite well
When did I claim some posters did not understand the topic?
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both in scientific terms and in practical experiential terms. There are many many reasons people spend more on knives, and metallurgy is one of them.
You are arguing with yourself as this is another rabbit hole I never ventured down.
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We are also aware of diminishing marginal returns, and some of us either value the hard use our knives do take, or CAN take. Value can be both objective and subjective.
Wow, something I didn't touch on either.
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It's ironic you making judgements about both people and a topic where you don't appear to fully understand either yourself.
I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke. The irony is how seriously you are talking the words you are putting in my mouth.

You at a party:
Random dude standing next to the chips: Have you tried the dip, it is wonderful!
You: How dare you downplay the socioeconomic plight of the aboriginal natives who inhabit southern Oceania!!!! This is a clear example of using "Manifest Destiny" to excuse colonial atrocities. You are just as guilty as those directly involved!!!!
Random Dude: (slowly walks away backwards while making sure to avoid any sudden moves which might cause you to attack)
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11-18-2022 at 04:01 PM.
11-18-2022 at 04:01 PM.
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When did I claim some posters did not understand the topic?

You are arguing with yourself as this is another rabbit hole I never ventured down.

Wow, something I didn't touch on either.

I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke. The irony is how seriously you are talking the words you are putting in my mouth.

You at a party:
Random dude standing next to the chips: Have you tried the dip, it is wonderful!
You: How dare you downplay the socioeconomic plight of the aboriginal natives who inhabit southern Oceania!!!! This is a clear example of using "Manifest Destiny" to excuse colonial atrocities. You are just as guilty as those directly involved!!!!
Random Dude: (slowly walks away backwards while making sure to avoid any sudden moves which might cause you to attack)
Metallurgy is a very relevant topic, and if you are stating those arguing the topic can't find said metals on the period table, that would imply a lack of understanding of the topics they are arguing about. You're comments are illogical and evasive. You still don't seem to understand the deeper subtleties of knife ownership and use, or even the content of your own recent commentary.

You're mocking people discussing a topic and context that you don't seem to fully understand, which is what is ironic and somewhat comical. Don't judge so harshly.
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11-18-2022 at 04:22 PM.
11-18-2022 at 04:22 PM.
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Metallurgy is a very relevant topic, and if you are stating those arguing the topic can't find said metals on the period table, that would imply a lack of understanding of the topics they are arguing about.
For the second time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

And I never stated metallurgy wasn't relevant. This is more of you arguing what you read between the lines. However to some of the people copying and pasting the type of alloy it is...without understanding what that means in context ...it can be irrelevant. Unless you are suggesting that anyone who owns a knife is also an expert, by default, on metallic elements?
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You're comments are illogical and evasive. You still don't seem to understand the deeper subtleties of knife ownership and use, or even the content of your own recent commentary.
For the third time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

Perhaps you don't understand the "subtleties" of a joke? Your response to it is "illogical" and hostile. Hopefully your 'steel' is harder than your skin. Well not too hard, otherwise it would be get brittle (that's a metallurgy joke!!!)
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You're mocking people discussing a topic and context that you don't seem to fully understand, which is what is ironic and somewhat comical. Don't judge so harshly.
For the forth time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

I understand the topic just fine, that is why I can joke about it. It is "comical" you are so offended by a lighthearted comment not directed at you.

Hopefully your knowledge of metallurgy is superior to your usage of the word "irony."

BTW, are you still yelling at the chip guy from the party or did you move on to chastising a person serving punch for their part in the Seventh Crusade against Egypt?
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11-18-2022 at 06:54 PM.
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Quote from WooHoo2You :
For the second time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

And I never stated metallurgy wasn't relevant. This is more of you arguing what you read between the lines. However to some of the people copying and pasting the type of alloy it is...without understanding what that means in context ...it can be irrelevant. Unless you are suggesting that anyone who owns a knife is also an expert, by default, on metallic elements?

For the third time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

Perhaps you don't understand the "subtleties" of a joke? Your response to it is "illogical" and hostile. Hopefully your 'steel' is harder than your skin. Well not too hard, otherwise it would be get brittle (that's a metallurgy joke!!!)

For the forth time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

I understand the topic just fine, that is why I can joke about it. It is "comical" you are so offended by a lighthearted comment not directed at you.

Hopefully your knowledge of metallurgy is superior to your usage of the word "irony."

BTW, are you still yelling at the chip guy from the party or did you move on to chastising a person serving punch for their part in the Seventh Crusade against Egypt?
WooHoo2YouFor the second time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

And I never stated metallurgy wasn't relevant. This is more of you arguing what you read between the lines. However to some of the people copying and pasting the type of alloy it is...without understanding what that means in context ...it can be irrelevant. Unless you are suggesting that anyone who owns a knife is also an expert, by default, on metallic elements?

For the third time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

Perhaps you don't understand the "subtleties" of a joke? Your response to it is "illogical" and hostile. Hopefully your 'steel' is harder than your skin. Well not too hard, otherwise it would be get brittle (that's a metallurgy joke!!!)

For the forth time: I was making a joke...as a reply to another joke.

I understand the topic just fine, that is why I can joke about it. It is "comical" you are so offended by a lighthearted comment not directed at you.

Hopefully your knowledge of metallurgy is superior to your usage of the word "irony."

BTW, are you still yelling at the chip guy from the party or did you move on to chastising a person serving punch for their part in the Seventh Crusade against Egypt?
You directly implied posters discussing metals/metallurgy were ignorant on the topic (can't even find them on the periodic table), and that their likely use profiles were beneath such a discussion anyways (justifying a $200 knife to open mail).

Your comment was arrogant mocking, not lighthearted humor. It was ironic because I didn't expect such concurrent with brazen presumptive shortsightedness.

The ignorant mocking the ignorant, is darkly comical.

My skin is soft? You're the one that went off for an entire forum page defending your "joke" with more tangential, deluded insanity. Facepalm

You've been served...no chips or egyptians or other weird wannabe esoteric bs required.
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11-20-2022 at 11:23 AM.
11-20-2022 at 11:23 AM.
As a steel snob, geometry is still more important than composition. Got the catra results to verify it. We improved slicing edge retention by an order of magnitude just by changing edge angle. There's also multiple papers in industrial cutting blade designs highlighting the importance of edge geometry (food processing, crop harvesting, and paper cutting are mostly the ones I have PDFs of)
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11-20-2022 at 06:36 PM.
11-20-2022 at 06:36 PM.
Quote from hmx :
As a steel snob, geometry is still more important than composition. Got the catra results to verify it. We improved slicing edge retention by an order of magnitude just by changing edge angle. There's also multiple papers in industrial cutting blade designs highlighting the importance of edge geometry (food processing, crop harvesting, and paper cutting are mostly the ones I have PDFs of)
Geometry cut. I'm a kitchen cutlery and sharpening snob, I just recently got into pocket knives and seem like the majority of pocket knife people only cares about steel type but where I come from, blade profile, heat treatment, steel type, edge geometry and grind are all matters. I'm glad someone pointed out that geometry does matters.
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