Flair Espresso Black Friday and Cyber Monday: 20% Off Select Espresso Makers

dealmaster00

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dealmaster00

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Quote from flyingmonkey

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seems like what an aeropress does for a tenth of the price. How is this any better?

It's an espresso machine. That's different from aeropress.

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SmartHamster3778

Nov 27, 2022 06:08 PM

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SmartHamster3778Nov 27, 2022 06:08 PM

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Quote from dealmaster00

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It's an espresso machine. That's different from aeropress.

Yeah check out some of the videos. It's a real brew group, lever machine but it doesn't have a resivoir so it can only make one cup at a time. It's also recommended to pre heat the metal before you brew, but in theory it's a good machine, and there is no paper filter like an aeropress

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zjs2k

Nov 28, 2022 07:23 PM

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zjs2kNov 28, 2022 07:23 PM

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Thanks OP! Decided to jump in for a 58 and a grinder. Everyone will say i am crazy to get a manual one as my first espresso 😅 It is supposed to be "very good", manual or not. But a "very good" semi or full auto will be more expensive, like the difference versions of breville.

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FabulousMaid236

Nov 28, 2022 07:35 PM

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FabulousMaid236Nov 28, 2022 07:35 PM

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AMAZON:
Flair Espresso Maker PRO 2 (Black) -260$
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The NEO, by Flair Espresso - 100$
https://www.amazon.com/NEO-Flair-...0f5a4e2f90

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nounta1016

Nov 28, 2022 07:38 PM

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nounta1016Nov 28, 2022 07:38 PM

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Quote from zjs2k

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Thanks OP! Decided to jump in for a 58 and a grinder. Everyone will say i am crazy to get a manual one as my first espresso 😅 It is supposed to be "very good", manual or not. But a "very good" semi or full auto will be more expensive, like the difference versions of breville.

I got the breville pro from Bed bath and beyond instead of this for $475 - 30(membeeship fee) + 100(BBB credit), also cash back and potentially some more BBB credit per dollar spent. So it puts it at around the same price. I really like the flair 58 but it feels more like a hobbyist equipment. If you haven't watched it, I suggest looking at James Hoffman's review on the 58. He talks about the prep work and the heating element being meh. I wish flair made it in a way that it was more practical as a daily expresso maker, but it just seems like a lot of work.

dealmaster00

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Nov 28, 2022 09:16 PM

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dealmaster00

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Quote from zjs2k

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Thanks OP! Decided to jump in for a 58 and a grinder. Everyone will say i am crazy to get a manual one as my first espresso 😅 It is supposed to be "very good", manual or not. But a "very good" semi or full auto will be more expensive, like the difference versions of breville.

Sure thing! I also jumped on a 58 (already have a k-max 1zpresso grinder) as my first foray into espresso making.

Quote from nounta1016

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I got the breville pro from Bed bath and beyond instead of this for $475 - 30(membeeship fee) + 100(BBB credit), also cash back and potentially some more BBB credit per dollar spent. So it puts it at around the same price. I really like the flair 58 but it feels more like a hobbyist equipment. If you haven't watched it, I suggest looking at James Hoffman's review on the 58. He talks about the prep work and the heating element being meh. I wish flair made it in a way that it was more practical as a daily expresso maker, but it just seems like a lot of work.

Hoffman has some minor quibbles with the instructions around the heating element, but l/m/h should correspond to 85/90/95c. As far as workflow, the 58 isn't much different from a semi auto machine other than you applying pressure vs the machine (& if you aren't steaming milk). The less $$ Flair models have little more complex workflow.

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nounta1016

Nov 28, 2022 10:10 PM

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nounta1016Nov 28, 2022 10:10 PM

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Quote from dealmaster00

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Sure thing! I also jumped on a 58 (already have a k-max 1zpresso grinder) as my first foray into espresso making.

Hoffman has some minor quibbles with the instructions around the heating element, but l/m/h should correspond to 85/90/95c. As far as workflow, the 58 isn't much different from a semi auto machine other than you applying pressure vs the machine (& if you aren't steaming milk). The less $$ Flair models have little more complex workflow.

Yeah that was the other thing, I wanted to practice latte art so wanted the steam wand. I bought a stovetop pressurized steamer, it wasn't sealed on properly and almost blew my face off...never again...lol

Do you happen to know a good entry level expresso grinder?

zjs2k

Nov 28, 2022 10:51 PM

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zjs2kNov 28, 2022 10:51 PM

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Quote from nounta1016

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I got the breville pro from Bed bath and beyond instead of this for $475 - 30(membeeship fee) + 100(BBB credit), also cash back and potentially some more BBB credit per dollar spent. So it puts it at around the same price. I really like the flair 58 but it feels more like a hobbyist equipment. If you haven't watched it, I suggest looking at James Hoffman's review on the 58. He talks about the prep work and the heating element being meh. I wish flair made it in a way that it was more practical as a daily expresso maker, but it just seems like a lot of work.

Quote from I dealmaster00

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Hoffman has some minor quibbles with the instructions around the heating element, but l/m/h should correspond to 85/90/95c. As far as workflow, the 58 isn't much different from a semi auto machine other than you applying pressure vs the machine (& if you aren't steaming milk). The less $$ Flair models have little more complex workflow.

I did check the Hoffman's review before bought it. I agree the heating control and the cable are kind clumsy. Integration the buttons to the main body and/or PID controller are great ideas. But I feel it may bump the price up quite a bit. A little manual work is actually an attraction to me and I rarely add milk or sugar, anyway. In the end, I will see whether things are as I imagined after I get it, haha.

dealmaster00

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Nov 28, 2022 10:54 PM

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dealmaster00

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Quote from nounta1016

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Yeah that was the other thing, I wanted to practice latte art so wanted the steam wand. I bought a stovetop pressurized steamer, it wasn't sealed on properly and almost blew my face off...never again...lol

Do you happen to know a good entry level expresso grinder?

Yea, check out the timemore c2 or 1zpresso q2.

bajanboy5809

Nov 29, 2022 03:55 AM

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bajanboy5809Nov 29, 2022 03:55 AM

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My neighbor has one of these kinds of machines, made by ROK, really a beautiful work of art but he used it for maybe a month and then stopped using it. I suspect that happens a lot with these types of things.

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