GEDORE (Made in Austria) 142 12 TL 12-Inch Pliers – 17 Settings Push Button Adjustment with Pinch Protection – Self Locking ($28.90 w/ Free Amazon Ship)

looks like these normally sells for around $30 at Amazon according to Keepa. not sure how this is considered a "deal" and a slick one, unless you really need one right now.

Quote from ucbengr : looks like these normally sells for around $30 at Amazon according to Keepa. not sure how this is considered a "deal" and a slick one, unless you really need one right now.

Well, a few things - first, Amazon is lower than everyone else. So, yes, the Amazon price now, even though near an all time low, is only a few bucks off from where these have been selling. That said, secondly, part of the point of my post is that these are about half the price of the comparable Knipex. So, at less than $29, you're getting an Austrian made Gedore (a great German tool brand in it's own right) that is a worthy sub to the significantly more expensive 12" Knipex Cobras.

If you want to wait for a better price, then by all means, but again, part of the purpose of this post is to point out that these Gedore's are selling for about half the price of comparable 12" Knipex Cobras, and Amazon has the best price on them.

Quote from GimmeYoTots : Well, a few things - first, Amazon is lower than everyone else. So, yes, the Amazon price now, even though near an all time low, is only a few bucks off from where these have been selling. That said, secondly, part of the point of my post is that these are about half the price of the comparable Knipex. So, at less than $29, you're getting an Austrian made Gedore (a great German tool brand in it's own right) that is a worthy sub to the significantly more expensive 12" Knipex Cobras. If you want to wait for a better price, then by all means, but again, part of the purpose of this post is to point out that these Gedore's are selling for about half the price of comparable 12" Knipex Cobras, and Amazon has the best price on them.

A knock-off selling for half the price of the brand it imitates does not automatically make it a deal..thats basically how knock-offs work.

This is 5% off their average amazon price, so a minimal discount.

Quote from AlexS4748 : A knock-off selling for half the price of the brand it imitates does not automatically make it a deal..thats basically how knock-offs work. This is 5% off their average amazon price, so a minimal discount.

I mentioned in the OP that Amazon's price is lower than anyone elses. So, even if Amazon sells it at this price for the next year, it doesn't change the fact that Amazon's current price is very good, and better than everyone else's. Also, this price *is* close to the all time low on Amazon.

As far as Gedore just being a knock-off of Knipex, well, Knipex did originate the design, but Gedore is a high-end German tool maker with a long history (Gedore was founded in Germany in 1919). These are half the price and from a similar high-end German brand. Sometimes copy-cat designs are as good as the originals. In this case, if the prices were the same, sure, I'd buy the Knipex, but in this particular case the price is not the same, and it's not even very close.

OP, I'll skip this one since I already have a comparable Knipex, but reps for all the info you provided. Thanks!

Quote from GimmeYoTots : I mentioned in the OP that Amazon's price is lower than anyone elses. So, even if Amazon sells it at this price for the next year, it doesn't change the fact that Amazon's current price is very good, and better than everyone else's. Also, this price *is* close to the all time low on Amazon. As far as Gedore just being a knock-off of Knipex, well, Knipex did originate the design, but Gedore is a high-end German tool maker with a long history (Gedore was founded in Germany in 1919). These are half the price and from a similar high-end German brand. Sometimes copy-cat designs are as good as the originals. In this case, if the prices were the same, sure, I'd buy the Knipex, but in this particular case the price is not the same, and it's not even very close.

A copy cat is a copy cat dude. People make a big fuzz when the Chinese imitates high end brands, yet because this is a German brand, then somehow it's "ok".

Me on the other hand, if quality is there, price is reasonable, IDGAF. We all copy each other at one point anyways.

I never heard is this brand I own a few 12" from HF. Maybe I'll try this out.

https://slickdeals.net/f/16279372-knipex-tools-cobra-water-pump-pliers-8701250-red-10-inch-30?attrsr...

The 12" pair was $32 a couple days ago (in the comments). I bought a pair. I also have Keepa and it doesn't show that it happened. They've been less than $45 several times over the last few years.

Quote from tystarian : A copy cat is a copy cat dude. People make a big fuzz when the Chinese imitates high end brands, yet because this is a German brand, then somehow it's "ok". Me on the other hand, if quality is there, price is reasonable, IDGAF. We all copy each other at one point anyways. I never heard is this brand I own a few 12" from HF. Maybe I'll try this out.

Gedore is not a knock-off, or a copy-cat -- you really need to educate yourself. This brand is respected more in Europe than Knipex. Knipex makes very good cutters; their pliers are so-so at an outrageous price. This is a very good deal.

Quote from Electricalsushi : https://slickdeals.net/f/16279372-knipex-tools-cobra-water-pump-pliers-8701250-red-10-inch-30?attrsr... The 12" pair was $32 a couple days ago (in the comments). I bought a pair. I also have Keepa and it doesn't show that it happened. They've been less than $45 several times over the last few years.

It's funny, I never saw that - but note, that was a third party seller, and the third party seller of those ridiculously-cheaper-than-everyone-else that is selling 12" Knipex Cobras for only $30 is:
Bluepolars Incredible Food via Amazon

There are a bunch of comments in that thread questioning whether that third party listing was selling fakes. The CCC chart I was referring to is for Amazon as the seller, only. I wasn't looking at third party seller pricing, but I just checked Grooves in Germany, and even they are over $38 for 12" Knipex Cobras. There is no way Bluepoloars Incredible Food is getting legitimate Knipex Cobras and selling them THAT much cheaper than Grooves or Amazon.

One of the comments stated that the guy already received them and they "were a little loose" and he thought "they might be factory seconds." Knipex does not sell factory seconds as far as I'm aware. Something's wrong there...

Quote : GenlUt Joined Nov 2012 L1: Learner 14 Posts 18 Reputation Yesterday at 07:47 AM#14 Received my order on Sunday. It came in a plastic bag with a barcode sticker. Feels a bit wobbly. I don't think it's a fake, more like factory seconds. LikeReply

EDIT -- I wanted to add, I just noticed that listing is now for 10" Cobras at $30 and the 12" are now selling for at least $38.59 at the lowest priced third party seller. That said, $38.59 is a great price, as that's about what Grooves in Germany is selling them at - so, if that $30 for 12" Cobras was, in fact, for legitimate Cobras, then it looks to me like it was a price mistake. It looks to me like they had the 10" and 12" Cobras priced the same. So, again, sure, if you find a price mistake, you might get 12" Cobras for $30, but NOBODY is selling legitimate 12" Knipex Cobras at $30, at least knowingly... I'm betting the wholesale price is probably more than $30 a unit on the 12" Cobras.

One more Edit note - that $38.59 current price on Amazon is from third party seller "Da Lorenzo Shop." They're located in Panama. There are a bunch of complaints about product and delivery issues that Amazon crossed out and dismissed because Amazon was doing the fulfillment. A third party in Panama, Central America, has the best price on these??? Order at your own risk... and go ahead and DV my comment if you don't like the truth.

Quote : Detailed Seller Information Business Name: FTU S.A. Business Address: Ricardo Arias Street Advanced Tower Panama City Panama 0801 PA

Quote from GimmeYoTots : It's funny, I never saw that - but note, that was a third party seller, and the third party seller of those ridiculously-cheaper-than-everyone-else that is selling 12" Knipex Cobras for only $30 is: Bluepolars Incredible Food via Amazon There are a bunch of comments in that thread questioning whether that third party listing was selling fakes. The CCC chart I was referring to is for Amazon as the seller, only. I wasn't looking at third party seller pricing, but I just checked Grooves in Germany, and even they are over $38 for 12" Knipex Cobras. There is no way Bluepoloars Incredible Food is getting legitimate Knipex Cobras and selling them THAT much cheaper than Grooves or Amazon. One of the comments stated that the guy already received them and they "were a little loose" and he thought "they might be factory seconds." Knipex does not sell factory seconds as far as I'm aware. Something's wrong there... EDIT -- I wanted to add, I just noticed that listing is now for 10" Cobras at $30 and the 12" are now selling for at least $38.59 at the lowest priced third party seller. That said, $38.59 is a great price, as that's about what Grooves in Germany is selling them at - so, if that $30 for 12" Cobras was, in fact, for legitimate Cobras, then it looks to me like it was a price mistake. It looks to me like they had the 10" and 12" Cobras priced the same. So, again, sure, if you find a price mistake, you might get 12" Cobras for $30, but NOBODY is selling legitimate 12" Knipex Cobras at $30, at least knowingly... I'm betting the wholesale price is probably more than $30 a unit on the 12" Cobras.

I bought the Knipex at that price and it was shipped and sold by Amazon, not 3rd party.

Hate people who crap on someone who posts a deal when they themselves never post any deals. people who post deals make this site works... if it ain't a deal for you, keep your thoughts to yourself.

Thanks Tots! In for one. I have a decent pile of Gedore stuff. Time to add!

Quote from AlexS4748 : A knock-off selling for half the price of the brand it imitates does not automatically make it a deal..thats basically how knock-offs work. This is 5% off their average amazon price, so a minimal discount.

Lol GEDORE is NOT a knockoff

Obligatory , project farm review .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjDG4gaiRp8

The knipex are overall better especially wear resistance but the gedores are runner ups and does slightly edge out the knipex on certain tasks. Both are still better than many brands.

Since the knipex 12 inches are fairly hard to find at a good price usually. Good deal.

​Those harbor freight doyles seem good too.