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Starke Sound Fiera8 - 8 Channel Amplifier $1196 + Free Shipping

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StarkeSound.com [starkesound.com] has the Fiera8 - 8 Channel Amplifier on sale for $1259 - $62.95 off w/ promo code: sealthedeal22 = $1196.05. Shipping is free!

Specs:
  • Output Power:
    • 130 W RMS at 8 Ω (1%THD, per channel)
    • 260 W RMS at 4 Ω (1% THD, per channel)
  • Channel Quantity: 8 channels
  • Amplifier Type: Class D
  • Frequency Response: 10Hz - 20Khz -1.2DB
  • Maximum output current per channel: 16.5A
  • Signal-To-Noise Rati (SNR): >110dB, "A" weighted at 4Ω 260W
  • Input terminals:
    • 8-Channel RCA Input
    • 8-Channel XLR Input
  • Output terminals: 8 pairs of Beryllium copper binding posts
  • Color options: Black
  • Full Size Dimensions:
    • W 17.7 x H 5.5 x D 13.4 inches (w/ foot& faceplate)
    • W 450 x H 140 x D 340mm (w/ foot& faceplate)
  • Weight: 21.8 lbs (9.9 kg)
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StarkeSound.com [starkesound.com] has the Fiera8 - 8 Channel Amplifier on sale for $1259 - $62.95 off w/ promo code: sealthedeal22 = $1196.05. Shipping is free!

Specs:
  • Output Power:
    • 130 W RMS at 8 Ω (1%THD, per channel)
    • 260 W RMS at 4 Ω (1% THD, per channel)
  • Channel Quantity: 8 channels
  • Amplifier Type: Class D
  • Frequency Response: 10Hz - 20Khz -1.2DB
  • Maximum output current per channel: 16.5A
  • Signal-To-Noise Rati (SNR): >110dB, "A" weighted at 4Ω 260W
  • Input terminals:
    • 8-Channel RCA Input
    • 8-Channel XLR Input
  • Output terminals: 8 pairs of Beryllium copper binding posts
  • Color options: Black
  • Full Size Dimensions:
    • W 17.7 x H 5.5 x D 13.4 inches (w/ foot& faceplate)
    • W 450 x H 140 x D 340mm (w/ foot& faceplate)
  • Weight: 21.8 lbs (9.9 kg)

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Dec 10, 2022 10:01 PM
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wiiwokDec 10, 2022 10:01 PM
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Highly recommend researching Starke before purchasing. Their amps are dumpster fires and have been tested to not come close to rated power output and distortion ratings.

https://www.audiosciencereview.co...ier.26939/

https://www.audiosciencereview.co...e-2.30122/

https://www.audioholics.com/ampli...nd-ad4.320
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Dec 11, 2022 12:47 AM
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holysinDec 11, 2022 12:47 AM
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If you want to know why not to do it Check out the previous post's links but a simple way to tell if an amp is worth your time to even research is the weight and an 8 channel amp that weighs 20lbs??? Run away(to give you an idea the monoprice 200 watt 7 channel amp is over 90lbs, and outlaw's $1k 130w version the 7000X comes in at 60lbs.)
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jobenso2Dec 11, 2022 02:44 PM
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Quote from holysin :
If you want to know why not to do it Check out the previous post's links but a simple way to tell if an amp is worth your time to even research is the weight and an 8 channel amp that weighs 20lbs??? Run away(to give you an idea the monoprice 200 watt 7 channel amp is over 90lbs, and outlaw's $1k 130w version the 7000X comes in at 60lbs.)
The weight is due to the transformer and the type of supply used. Newer Emotive amps use a switching power supply and they are lighter. It also reduces heat. Now that doesn't mean this amp advertised isn't junk.
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Dec 12, 2022 03:19 AM
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holysinDec 12, 2022 03:19 AM
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Quote from jobenso2 :
The weight is due to the transformer and the type of supply used. Newer Emotive amps use a switching power supply and they are lighter. It also reduces heat. Now that doesn't mean this amp advertised isn't junk.
Kinda sorta. (There's always exceptions) however the 2200$ 200W@7 channel switched power supply emotiva version is lighter than they used to be (I want to say it used to be weighted about the same as the monoprice one from memory) but it's still more than 50 lb while advertising lighter weight and higher price (I would point out also there is a hell of a lot of room between 20 lb and 50 lb in audio equipment, even without the advertised lightweight power supply changes and premium price point) re: my original point, If the total weight is remarkably lower than normal, buyer beware. Unless of course you're buying an amplifier for a subwoofer or a couch shaker as those can be entirely digital without any perceived quality loss (usually).

https://emotiva.com/products/xpa-7-gen3?
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Dec 12, 2022 03:56 AM
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wiiwokDec 12, 2022 03:56 AM
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Quote from holysin :
If you want to know why not to do it Check out the previous post's links but a simple way to tell if an amp is worth your time to even research is the weight and an 8 channel amp that weighs 20lbs??? Run away(to give you an idea the monoprice 200 watt 7 channel amp is over 90lbs, and outlaw's $1k 130w version the 7000X comes in at 60lbs.)
I can definitely recommend Outlaw Audio. Currently have a 7000x, 4 x M2200, and 1 x M2220 along with a 976 7.2 pre/pro. Excellent budget gear.

My 2 channel set up is an Arcam SA30 doing duty as pre-amp, Arcam PA240 2 channel amp powering Revel F206 speakers with Arcam CDS50 streamer/SACD. Love the Dirac Live and eARC on the SA30. Wish they sold a pure pre-amp with those features.
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Dec 12, 2022 05:13 AM
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holysinDec 12, 2022 05:13 AM
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Quote from wiiwok :
I can definitely recommend Outlaw Audio. Currently have a 7000x, 4 x M2200, and 1 x M2220 along with a 976 7.2 pre/pro. Excellent budget gear.

My 2 channel set up is an Arcam SA30 doing duty as pre-amp, Arcam PA240 2 channel amp powering Revel F206 speakers with Arcam CDS50 streamer/SACD. Love the Dirac Live and eARC on the SA30. Wish they sold a pure pre-amp with those features.
Nice setup ♥️ that specific outlaw amp is my expected next amp purchase when I go back to separates as I had a great experience with their first 5 channel one in the early 00s powering some Maggie's (man I miss that system😿)
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Dec 12, 2022 02:18 PM
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lfy0428Dec 12, 2022 02:18 PM
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Quote from holysin :
If you want to know why not to do it Check out the previous post's links but a simple way to tell if an amp is worth your time to even research is the weight and an 8 channel amp that weighs 20lbs??? Run away(to give you an idea the monoprice 200 watt 7 channel amp is over 90lbs, and outlaw's $1k 130w version the 7000X comes in at 60lbs.)
That's not always the case. The newer Hypex/Purifi class-D amps are excellent and much lighter than even older class-D amps, while delivering unprecedented performance.

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Dec 13, 2022 02:18 AM
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holysinDec 13, 2022 02:18 AM
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Quote from lfy0428 :
That's not always the case. The newer Hypex/Purifi class-D amps are excellent and much lighter than even older class-D amps, while delivering unprecedented performance.
Are you being paid by purifi? (Unprecedented performance is very much a marketing term) but yes, class D amps (most efficient, and generally least "high fidelity") are always lighter, and as technology improves the lightness also does (and supposedly the high fidelity aspect, but I wouldn't buy one to run mid tier speakers or higher at a price I can afford but I'm old and am used to class D amplifiers being efficient but muddy AF when turned up.) However, the examples of their latest and greatest amps I've found tend to weigh at the lowest about 7 lb a channel which would put it in the ballpark of my quoted outlaw weight of 60 lb (a class a/b amp.) As you were quoting unprecedented performance, would you care to link to a multi-channel amp that uses their hardware that is less than ~50 lb (for 7 channels)? The newest one I can find is still about 50 lb https://nadelectronics.com/produc...amplifier/ It also costs give or take $5,000. (And yes, I would trust this specific amp with high quality speakers but again $5,000 versus the $1000 for the outlaw amp tells you which one I'm likely to buy because my budget is not that bodacious so I'll be likely shopping quality a/b amps.)

Again and I'm not sure how to make this any clearer. It's a rule of thumb unless someone is charging you the earth or advertising that it's super lightweight AND quoting a ton of audio magazine reviews (because something that lightweight will make huge news if it can perform) run away quickly from something that weighs less than 3 lb a channel. (As this amp that we are supposed to be talking about does)

Edit: for those who are curious and don't know the difference between the class of amplifiers, this is a good starting point https://boomspeaker.com/class-d-a...-class-ab/
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Dec 13, 2022 02:31 AM
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lfy0428Dec 13, 2022 02:31 AM
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Quote from holysin :
Are you being paid by purifi? (Unprecedented performance is very much a marketing term) but yes, class D amps (most efficient, and generally least "high fidelity") are always lighter, and as technology improves the lightness also does (and supposedly the high fidelity aspect, but I wouldn't buy one to run mid tier speakers or higher but I'm old and am used to class the amplifiers being efficient but muddy AF when turned up.) However, the examples of their amps I've found tend to weigh at the lowest about 7 lb a channel which would put it in the ballpark of my quoted outlaw weight of 60 lb (for a class a/b amp.) As you were quoting unprecedented performance, would you care to link to a multi-channel amp that uses their hardware that is less than ~50 lb (for 7 channels)?

Again and I'm not sure how to make this any clearer. It's a rule of thumb unless someone is charging you the earth or advertising that it's super lightweight quoting a ton of audio magazine reviews (because something that lightweight will make huge news if it can perform) run away quickly from something that weighs less than 3 lb a channel. (As this amp that we are supposed to be talking about does)

Edit: for those who are curious and don't know the difference between the class of amplifiers, this is a good starting point https://boomspeaker.com/class-d-a...-class-ab/ [boomspeaker.com]
Sorry I was a little careless with the wording there. The purifi monoblocks are not that light, but the Hypex NC502 is about 4lb per channel, and NC252 is about 3lb per channel. Based on ASR measurements, those should be good enough even for very high-end HT speakers.
Dec 13, 2022 02:35 AM
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holysinDec 13, 2022 02:35 AM
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Quote from lfy0428 :
Sorry I was a little careless with the wording there. The purifi monoblocks are not that light, but the Hypex NC502 is about 4lb per channel, and NC252 is about 3lb per channel. Based on ASR measurements, those should be good enough even for very high-end HT speakers.
I've not heard much about hypex so I will poke those as that weight is incredibly low, If they can run MP style power hungry AF speakers I might have a contender versus outlaw as long as the price is similar (I never move my stuff so quality/price matters most.) Thanks!
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Dec 13, 2022 02:41 AM
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lfy0428Dec 13, 2022 02:41 AM
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Quote from holysin :
I've not heard much about hypex so I will poke that as that weight is incredibly low
Thanks for catching my hyperboling there. I'm not used to posting here, and should probably be more careful since these may actually impact people's purchase decision. I have been eyeing one of those 8ch NC252mp amps from Monolith/Buckeye/VTV for a while, but just can't justify the expense since my cheap ol' Emotiva BasX is still working fine.
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killerrabbit1961Dec 13, 2022 03:25 AM
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Quote from holysin :
Are you being paid by purifi? (Unprecedented performance is very much a marketing term) but yes, class D amps (most efficient, and generally least "high fidelity") are always lighter, and as technology improves the lightness also does (and supposedly the high fidelity aspect, but I wouldn't buy one to run mid tier speakers or higher at a price I can afford but I'm old and am used to class D amplifiers being efficient but muddy AF when turned up.) However, the examples of their latest and greatest amps I've found tend to weigh at the lowest about 7 lb a channel which would put it in the ballpark of my quoted outlaw weight of 60 lb (a class a/b amp.) As you were quoting unprecedented performance, would you care to link to a multi-channel amp that uses their hardware that is less than ~50 lb (for 7 channels)? The newest one I can find is still about 50 lb https://nadelectronics.com/produc...amplifier/ [nadelectronics.com] It also costs give or take $5,000. (And yes, I would trust this specific amp with high quality speakers but again $5,000 versus the $1000 for the outlaw amp tells you which one I'm likely to buy because my budget is not that bodacious so I'll be likely shopping quality a/b amps.)

Again and I'm not sure how to make this any clearer. It's a rule of thumb unless someone is charging you the earth or advertising that it's super lightweight AND quoting a ton of audio magazine reviews (because something that lightweight will make huge news if it can perform) run away quickly from something that weighs less than 3 lb a channel. (As this amp that we are supposed to be talking about does)

Edit: for those who are curious and don't know the difference between the class of amplifiers, this is a good starting point https://boomspeaker.com/class-d-a...-class-ab/ [boomspeaker.com]
99.9% of the population could not hear the difference between current generation class D amps and class AB in blind testing, including those who are sure they could, and I say that as someone who uses a class AB amp. The reason you don't see much blind testing in audio is that people don't want their deeply held beliefs exposed as not valid in objective testing.
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holysinDec 13, 2022 01:53 PM
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Quote from killerrabbit1961 :
99.9% of the population could not hear the difference between current generation class D amps and class AB in blind testing, including those who are sure they could, and I say that as someone who uses a class AB amp. The reason you don't see much blind testing in audio is that people don't want their deeply held beliefs exposed as not valid in objective testing.
Oh I hope you're right 🤞. Though with companies like NAD releasing $5,000 class D equipment we might get to see more blind testing. I have fairly unique needs (just mids to highs where class Ds seemed to fall on their face the last time I compared them) but I am open to any class amplifier when I do make the move back to a pair of panels. Just not anything more than a grand or so is my only restriction on amps. I'm happy to drool at the good stuff but I like my volume at moderate prices 😂
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Quote from holysin :
Oh I hope you're right 🤞. Though with companies like NAD releasing $5,000 class D equipment we might get to see more blind testing. I have fairly unique needs (just mids to highs where class Ds seemed to fall on their face the last time I compared them) but I am open to any class amplifier when I do make the move back to a pair of panels. Just not anything more than a grand or so is my only restriction on amps. I'm happy to drool at the good stuff but I like my volume at moderate prices 😂
You mentioned weight and folks have chimed in but you can't weigh a class 'D' amp to learn much and even A and AB amps often have ridiculous cases and even extra large components(or even weird additions) simply to add weight and perception of value. Canon camera used ensure they had at least the heaviest SLR models in their line because in the USA weight sells.
In any case class 'd' and similar designs are about 90% efficient or more, so no big heat sinks, no huge power supply that have to make up for the wasted energy of other designs. Totally different. 100% different. No comparison.

The industry suppressed blind testing of amps and electronics because folks could not reliably support their products with winning results.
Even where there are differences in sound the inconsistency of hearing and the fact that one amp may be perceived as preferred on one track and the other amp perceived as such on another negates the 'benefits'. My understanding is that even worse folks were terrible inconsistent in picking out amps often coming up with different preferences given the same examples more than once.
IMHO, this is likely due to the fact that once truly level matched most decently designed solid state amps sound very close if not the same so picking differences out reliably is hard stuff.
This was NOT true when tubes were more common as they vary wildly in sound and vary wildly with different speakers due the fact that many of them give wild frequency deviations with differing loads(speaker impedances) and some have very high levels of distortions.

There were blind tests published that are now hard to find and I assure you manufactures have conducted them and still do but they will never publish them as there is basically no winner and value to the company's outside of internal research and development.

Even big players in the technical excellence field, like Benchmark and Purifi, do not publish any blind tests to show their superbly measuring amp is audibly better than an average one.

Speakers are much harder to comprehensively test in the first place due the signal leaving the tidy electrical environment and being translated into wild air movements in your room. Extra difficult to fully test blind but a few companies still do it. There are some cool results out there.

You can do some online tests of distortion, Lossless audio, various hearing thresholds and a wide variety of other things as well. Those are fun and humbling IMHO. Yet to meet anyone who consistently passes them. Many folks chose 128mb MP3's over Lossless audio Smilie

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