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Capstone Games: Ark Nova Card Drafting, Hand Management Strategy Board Game - $55.92 + F/S - Amazon

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Amazon [amazon.com] has Capstone Games: Ark Nova Card Drafting, Hand Management Strategy Board Game for $55.92. Shipping is free.

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About this Item:
  • Build Your Zoo Your Way - With The Ultimate Goal Of Owning The Most Successful Zoological Establishment, You Will Build Enclosures, Accommodate Animals, And Support Conservation Projects All Over The World. You Can Even Release Animals Back Into The Wild!
  • Over 250 Unique Cards - At The Heart Of Ark Nova Are Cards Featuring Animals, Specialists, Unique Enclosures, And Conservation Projects, Each With A Unique Ability.
  • Smooth And Fast Gameplay - With 5 Core Actions To Choose From Each Turn, Ark Nova Plays Smoothly And Quickly. Each Player Has A Set Of 5 Action Cards Which You Will Use And Upgrade To Carry Out Your Plans.
  • Endless Replayability - Throughout A Game Of Ark Nova, The Players Will Only See About Half Of The Total Cards Included In The Game, Resulting In Endless Replayability.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B09L6FCP9S [amazon.com]
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Amazon [amazon.com] has Capstone Games: Ark Nova Card Drafting, Hand Management Strategy Board Game for $55.92. Shipping is free.

Price:
$19.03 lower (25% savings) than the list price of $74.95

Customer reviews:
★★★★★ / 314 global ratings

About this Item:
  • Build Your Zoo Your Way - With The Ultimate Goal Of Owning The Most Successful Zoological Establishment, You Will Build Enclosures, Accommodate Animals, And Support Conservation Projects All Over The World. You Can Even Release Animals Back Into The Wild!
  • Over 250 Unique Cards - At The Heart Of Ark Nova Are Cards Featuring Animals, Specialists, Unique Enclosures, And Conservation Projects, Each With A Unique Ability.
  • Smooth And Fast Gameplay - With 5 Core Actions To Choose From Each Turn, Ark Nova Plays Smoothly And Quickly. Each Player Has A Set Of 5 Action Cards Which You Will Use And Upgrade To Carry Out Your Plans.
  • Endless Replayability - Throughout A Game Of Ark Nova, The Players Will Only See About Half Of The Total Cards Included In The Game, Resulting In Endless Replayability.

https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B09L6FCP9S [amazon.com]

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Dec 13, 2022 07:40 PM
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LongchampDec 13, 2022 07:40 PM
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Game is wack
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Dec 13, 2022 07:46 PM
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FunkinyourfaceDec 13, 2022 07:46 PM
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Quote from Longchamp :
Game is wack
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardga...2/ark-nova

Apparently you're on your own with that opinion. Very very highly reviewed on bgg only downside I see is its a bit high for complexity
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Dec 13, 2022 07:58 PM
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LongchampDec 13, 2022 07:58 PM
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Quote from Funkinyourface :
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardga...2/ark-nova

Apparently you're on your own with that opinion. Very very highly reviewed on bgg only downside I see is its a bit high for complexity
I'm not though, please read the following:
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The bright and colourful artwork of some spectacular animals can't save this BGG darling from my critical eye: the actual gameplay is disappointing on many levels, not only in the way in which it perpetuates current unsatisfying trends in game design, but also in some key flaws that it possesses even when judged by the standards of the current zeitgeist.

After getting my first play under my belt, I had the misfortune of teaching the game on my second and found this to be an absolute chore: as is the current style, there are a multitude of actions and interlocking systems to explain, all with their own myriad details and little foibles which you want to impart on the unsuspecting new player. Much of these add very little to the actual decision space and, like with many recent releases, the result feels unfocused and sprawling, a mess of different systems without a clear, compelling core around which development could have focused on removing all of the surrounding noise.

Like many recent games, too much happens on the individual boards in front of each player. Yes, there is also a central board hosting a shared card market and some races between players, particularly in completing for some communal objectives (e.g. have a few animals of the same kind, or from the same continent), but much of the interaction is of the unsatisfying kind that is too common in recent years: an accidental blocking move by an opponent who can't realistically have studied your position but just happened to do something that got in your way, or even worse, some really irritating take-that card effects which also manage to break the ludonarrative in some seriously ridiculous ways (why exactly has the arrival of a highly venomous cobra in a competing zoo diminished my ability to construct the buildings I was planning to this turn?) Whilst the take-that effects can optionally be skipped, this is done by reverting to alternative effects in place for the solo game, so of course you're removing unsatisfying interaction in favour of having less interaction, which is no substitute for what I was actually hoping for: compelling interaction, of which there is precious little.

All of these things I expect from a hyped game of the moment, but even appreciating that this is just the style of game that is popular right now, we come to the game's biggest problem, and one that really hampers its ability to succeed even on its own terms: its sprawling and badly-designed deck of cards. There are hundreds of unique cards, a vast number of which have far-too-specific effects, or are of a niche type which is insufficiently represented. The result is unsatisfying: you can struggle to have anything that connects, whilst an opponent plays a card which triggers whenever one of the animal types you're all competing for is played and is able to dine out on the proceeds.

The current trend I've seen here on BGG and on Reddit is to insist that Ark Nova is "not a engine builder" and therefore that anyone making a criticism like I did in the last paragraph simply doesn't understand that the game is about making the best of the cards that you're dealt instead of hoping to draw something else. This is a flawed response to the point others have made about the game and that I'm making here, for two reasons:

Firstly, as I've already mentioned, it is possible for somebody to get lucky and to draw into an engine. Whilst you're making the most of your disconnected cards, they've already installed a few synergistic pieces in their tableau and now get benefits whenever they (and, in the worst cases, also you) play cards. Your opponent has drawn well and you are playing catch up (except - spoiler alert - you won't be catching up). When, once in hundreds of hands, a player in Sea Salt and Paper instantly draws both of the Sailors and the Captain and has an three-card, hand-winning combo, that hand is quickly over and it's an amusing event for both players. In contrast, in Ark Nova, when one player gets an engine delivered by the draw deck and another doesn't, one of you will slog for 2-4 hours in vain, and isn't likely to draw much consolation from the fact that they're supposedly the only one playing "as intended" i.e. having to make the most of disjointed pieces. If I'm the one actually playing Ark Nova, what's the player who is getting to trigger all the combos and win the game doing and why does it look more fun?
Criticism is buried on BGG. The rating is more representative of hype than anything especially if a game started on Kickstarter. https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklis...games-2022
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Dec 13, 2022 09:11 PM
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mfaria999Dec 13, 2022 09:11 PM
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Quote from Longchamp :
I'm not though, please read the following:

Criticism is buried on BGG. The rating is more representative of hype than anything especially if a game started on Kickstarter. https://boardgamegeek.com/geeklis...games-2022 [boardgamegeek.com]
Everyone has their own interpretations on how well a game plays for them, but with over 21,000 posted reviews and an average score of 8.6 out of 10, it's pretty hard to say that the game is wacked.
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Dec 14, 2022 07:27 PM
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EvanL7583Dec 14, 2022 07:27 PM
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Also it looks like there's a separate listing that's even cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/Capstone-G...157&sr=1-1
Dec 14, 2022 07:44 PM
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wolverine68Dec 14, 2022 07:44 PM
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Quote from EvanL7583 :
Also it looks like there's a separate listing that's even cheaper.
https://www.amazon.com/Capstone-G...157&sr=1-1
Beware of fake board games from China
Dec 14, 2022 07:48 PM
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NessyDec 14, 2022 07:48 PM
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It's a fun game. There are some mechanics that are a little clunky that makes it difficult to learn. I say this as a person who was taught to play when it was brought over for our game night. I buy a lot of games myself, so I am not afraid to learn or teach games. There are some odd things about the way animals are assigned to their enclosures that puts it in the almost doesn't work area and the way cards are drawn can get heavily skewed...

Having said that, it's fun to play and the lots of stuff part becomes a lot less overwhelming once you get into playing it. I really enjoyed it. For those looking for really tight gameplay, nothing to finicky, there are better games for that want.

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Dec 14, 2022 07:58 PM
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bushaayaDec 14, 2022 07:58 PM
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It's actually available at a cheaper price from GameNerdz:
https://www.gamenerdz.com/ark-nova-on-sale
Unlike Amazon, they actually pack games well so you don't get a damaged game when it arrives...

Free shipping over $75 and flat $5 otherwise
Dec 14, 2022 08:16 PM
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papashawnDec 14, 2022 08:16 PM
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Quote from bushaaya :
It's actually available at a cheaper price from GameNerdz:
https://www.gamenerdz.com/ark-nova-on-sale
Unlike Amazon, they actually pack games well so you don't get a damaged game when it arrives...

Free shipping over $75 and flat $5 otherwise
+1 for GameNerdz. Great company to support if you're a fan of board games. Also Boardlandia.

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