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118GB Intel Optane SSD P1600X Enterprise NVMe SSD at Newegg $66

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Could be a good boot or cache drive.
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118 gb????????
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Quote from HusLol :
118 gb????????
It has insane 4K random speeds, ultra low latency and near infinite TBW. It's good for an OS drive where you have many small files being loaded and written constantly, or as a cache on a drive array. The sequential speeds are lackluster but that doesn't matter.

This is 'only' ~$570/TB or about the $/TB I paid for my 900P in 2019 with the Star Citizen resale deal. The latest top end P5800X is about $2500/TB.
Last edited by turbodog December 26, 2022 at 08:39 PM.
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Meh, random reads aren't competitive with even older mainstream drives around the same price like the sk hynix p31 gold, and you get a lot more capacity. Optane only makes sense if you're doing a ton of writes every single day - longevity. https://www.tomshardware.com/news...ssd-p1600x
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I want to like this but it's simply too small. Even for a boot drive. I'd also like to think it would be great for caching in a NAS but again, really small. I'm sure there are some niche use cases but overall most folks should steer clear unless they have a very specific use case.

I was always really hopeful for Optane. Too bad it never really panned out for desktop users.
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Quote from CompMan86 :
Meh, random reads aren't competitive with even older mainstream drives around the same price like the sk hynix p31 gold, and you get a lot more capacity. Optane only makes sense if you're doing a ton of writes every single day - longevity. https://www.tomshardware.com/news...ssd-p1600x
Not sure what you're on about but the 4K IOPS on this are far greater than a typical NVMe like the Hynix you cited or any other non-Optane drive. Peace

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net...0.png.webp

The above chart shows the 905P and P5800X Optane drives, this P1600X should do about 80% of the 905P in 4K IOPS, per Intel specs.
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Quote from BlueWater605 :
I want to like this but it's simply too small. Even for a boot drive. I'd also like to think it would be great for caching in a NAS but again, really small. I'm sure there are some niche use cases but overall most folks should steer clear unless they have a very specific use case.

I was always really hopeful for Optane. Too bad it never really panned out for desktop users.
You can get two and run raid 0:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/co...&context=3

Similar performance to a 900P at half the price.

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Quote from turbodog :
You can get two and run raid 0:

https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/co...&context=3 [reddit.com]

Similar performance to a 900P at half the price.
you could get a bunch and run all kinds of RAID levels. Doesn't change the fact that these are small and at that point, you're probably better off buying something else.
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118gb and you lose a precious nvme slot, I'd say no for most most average user.

TBH optane is only a toy at this point.
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Quote from turbodog :
Not sure what you're on about but the 4K IOPS on this are far greater than a typical NVMe like the Hynix you cited or any other non-Optane drive. Peace

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net...0.png.webp

The above chart shows the 905P and P5800X Optane drives, this P1600X should do about 80% of the 905P in 4K IOPS, per Intel specs.
This is directly from the Newegg page for each drive

Optane
Performance
Max Sequential Read Up to 1760 MBps
Max Sequential Write Up to 1050 MBps
4KB Random Read Up to 410,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write Up to 243,000 IOPS
MTBF 2,000,000 hours

Hynix P41
Random read/write (maximum) Read: 960K IOPS, Write: 1,000K IOPS

What am I missing?
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Quote from BlueWater605 :
you could get a bunch and run all kinds of RAID levels. Doesn't change the fact that these are small and at that point, you're probably better off buying something else.
Have you ever run an Optane Drive? I've had an 900P for over 3 years and I'd seriously consider spending $1000 for a 400GB P5800X, but will wait for them to go on sale.

The 905P and 900P have been very reasonable lately. You can get the 960GB 905P off Newegg for $399.
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Quote from CompMan86 :
This is directly from the Newegg page for each drive

Optane
Performance
Max Sequential Read Up to 1760 MBps
Max Sequential Write Up to 1050 MBps
4KB Random Read Up to 410,000 IOPS
4KB Random Write Up to 243,000 IOPS
MTBF 2,000,000 hours

Hynix P41
Random read/write (maximum) Read: 960K IOPS, Write: 1,000K IOPS

What am I missing?
https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net...0.png.webp

Hynix is citing deep-que IOPS numbers that do not translate to 4K Q1T1 IOPS performance.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net...0.png.webp

Like I said above, this P1600X should do about 80% the 4K Q1T1 performance of a 905P, or considerably more than double any non Optane SSD on the market.

Just comparing my 900P vs. a 2TB Pilot-E in my machine right now unoptimized, the Pilot-E has 60% the 4K high que depth performance, but 25% the 4K Q1T1 performance of the 900P.
Last edited by turbodog December 26, 2022 at 10:49 PM.
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Quote from turbodog :
Woosh. LMAO

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net...0.png.webp

Hynix is citing seriously inflated numbers, those are deep-que IOPS numbers that do not translate to 4K Q1T1 IOPS performance.

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net...0.png.webp

Like I said above, this P1600X should do about 80% the 4K Q1T1 performance of a 905P, or considerably more than double any non Optane SSD on the market.
Do you think queue depth 1 is the most important metric? I guess I'm assuming that when the system is requesting one thing at a time (i.e. nothing is getting queued up), the time it takes to return is practically instantaneous. But in the moments where there's a spike in random access, e.g. when switching back to a browser tab that hasn't been opened in 3 days, it will issue a ton of requests in parallel and the queue depth will grow. Though if I'm overestimating how common higher queue depths are, then I should totally get this Optane drive ๐Ÿ™‚

[edit] oh wait - the chart you linked is for the optane 5800x which is a $2000 800gb drive and the p905 1.5tb is also thousands of dollars. Yes, these devices have incredible random 4k speeds. the drive in this thread is not nearly that fast.
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Quote from CompMan86 :
Do you think queue depth 1 is the most important metric? I guess I'm assuming that when the system is requesting one thing at a time (i.e. nothing is getting queued up), the time it takes to return is practically instantaneous. But in the moments where there's a spike in random access, e.g. when switching back to a browser tab that hasn't been opened in 3 days, it will issue a ton of requests in parallel and the queue depth will grow. Though if I'm overestimating how common higher queue depths are, then I should totally get this Optane drive
I don't know. I refer to 4K Q1T1 and latency as it is the largest differentiator when discussing these Optane drives. There very well may be situations or benchmarks where a drive with +50% or double the high que (4K Q32T16, default NVMe 3rd test in Crystal Diskmark) performance would make a difference. For example, here is a MP600 doing +50% over my 900P in 4K Q32T16 but less than half in 4K Q1T1 Read:

https://www.thessdreview.com/our-...ess-ssd/3/
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Ok I'm sufficiently intrigued. Bought one. Some possibilities: it's so much faster that the queue doesn't have as much time to fill up, so QD1 matters disproportionately more. And/or, most software is written to block until the IO request returns which inhibits subsequent requests from that thread from coming in, and thus queue depth doesn't get an opportunity to grow.

I've seen enough claims of "you have to see it to believe it" that it makes me think the real world performance is night and day, even if the summary metrics don't necessarily show it.

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