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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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PHEV is actually not great for daily 25-50 miles driving. With its tiny battery that means 1) very little power from EV side and 2) you have to plug in to charge every single day. And if not, you go back to gas and lose the advantage. It's actually the worst of both worlds.
I have a 50 mile range PHEV, its great because I almost never drive more than that, and when I do, I use gas. Most days I only do 10-20 miles do I don't even need to charge everyday and if I forget, no big deal. Imagine forgetting to a charge a Tesla after a long trip.
Right now my PHEV is actually outside in the side RV driveway, gas is so cheap right now its almost the same cost as charging it. I'm working on other projects in the garage, so I've been just using gas in it for the last month. It's fantastic! Best of both worlds by far!
My friend had a model Y but sold it. He loves my car though, says the PHEV concept is so much better. When we start seeing 500 mile ranges and 5 minute fast charging with EV stations as wide spread as gas stations then EV's are a good solution.
Also during power outages I can use my car as a gas generator and power up some basics in my home. Oh and I can actually refuel my car during power outages haha.
PHEV is actually not great for daily 25-50 miles driving. With its tiny battery that means 1) very little power from EV side and 2) you have to plug in to charge every single day. And if not, you go back to gas and lose the advantage. It's actually the worst of both worlds.
Don't have to worry about cold climates killing your range. Gasoline pumps everywhere you go.
Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
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I have a 50 mile range PHEV, its great because I almost never drive more than that, and when I do, I use gas. Most days I only do 10-20 miles do I don't even need to charge everyday and if I forget, no big deal. Imagine forgetting to a charge a Tesla after a long trip.
Right now my PHEV is actually outside in the side RV driveway, gas is so cheap right now its almost the same cost as charging it. I'm working on other projects in the garage, so I've been just using gas in it for the last month. It's fantastic! Best of both worlds by far!
My friend had a model Y but sold it. He loves my car though, says the PHEV concept is so much better. When we start seeing 500 mile ranges and 5 minute fast charging with EV stations as wide spread as gas stations then EV's are a good solution.
Also during power outages I can use my car as a gas generator and power up some basics in my home. Oh and I can actually refuel my car during power outages haha.
And now previous owner resale values will suck, so there's that.
Drove a 2013 Nissan LEAF and 2013 Toyota Avalon. Roughly same mileage (62k miles) over 10 years. LEAF cost me $3000/year (everything included, purchase price, electricity, repairs, maintenance, insurance, etc) while the Toyota Avalon is at $4,400/year (again everything included) currently.
Maintenance costs for the LEAF over 10 years were $2,100 (including tire replacements) while the Avalon is $4,720 (did standard maintenance and replaced tires).
Buying the LEAF saved me $15k over 10 years, and I applied that to my current Bolt EUV. I expect the Bolt EUV to cost more over a 10 year lifetime at $3,850/year all in.
Yes, I'm one of the EV owners who buy mainly for economic reasons. Reducing ecological degradable is a nice perk.
Having said the above, I find EVs to be the best companion to a gasoline/PHEV car in a 2-car household. Drive the EV around town and within, say, 200 mile radius of your home to save money. Take the gasoline/PHEV for trips. Best of both worlds.
Plus aren't we all looking for slick deals? The government (local, state, federal) is paying you upwards of $10k to buy electric vs gasoline.
If the range isn't an issue, why wouldn't you go for it, especially if you're on SD??
My point is that most people don't keep a car for 10 years like your comparison and most modern cars don't need the same maintenance as one from 20 years ago. Just oil changes and that has come a long way too with synthetic.
It's a little unfair to compare a Leaf to an Avalon, but usually when comparing an ICE vs EV from same manufacturer it takes more years to recoup to upfront cost through saved money on maintenance than the average person will own it
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Don't have to worry about cold climates killing your range. Gasoline pumps everywhere you go.
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