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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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"In late December, the IRS clarified that vehicles that are leased to consumers can be eligible for a version of the tax credit that is much, much easier to qualify for. It has no requirement that vehicles be made in the U.S., no price cap for vehicles, and no income caps. So if you want to lease a Kia EV6 from Korea, or a six-figure luxury sedan? Go to town."
https://www.npr.org/2023/01/07/11...kswagen-ev
As such, every mile I drive is free, from a fueling standpoint. Other people have time-of-use rates, charge at work for free, have free charging credits, where the ultimate math may work out to be only 20% the price of gas, so saving $15K+ over 10 years.
Also, some people will pay "more" (i.e. the delta in price from a comparable gas vs. EV) just because they've polluted the earth long enough and are ready to help turn the corner.
1. Model 3's are not just faster in a line, it has better suspension and handling that makes the car feel lighter than its gross weight. It has double wishbone suspension which is costly and space consuming to do in a traditional ICE chassis. It's faster and handles better. BMW cannot put a better front suspension or a better steering rack due to the space of the B58 engine.
2. You don't need to replace spark plugs, starter motor, or alternator within 100K miles. These parts are not inside EVs.
I went with the BMW at the time because Tesla would not waive the $1300 destination fee even though I live next to the Fremont factory. Another reason is Tesla insurance is very expensive unless you're buying insurance directly from them. BMW at the time had 74 3 series sitting on the lot during the California lockdown and they were willing to negotiate the price. Pricing will always win.
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1. Model 3's are not just faster in a line, it has better suspension and handling that makes the car feel lighter than its gross weight. It has double wishbone suspension which is costly and space consuming to do in a traditional ICE chassis. It's faster and handles better. BMW cannot put a better front suspension or a better steering rack due to the space of the B58 engine.
2. You don't need to replace spark plugs, starter motor, or alternator within 100K miles. These parts are not inside EVs.
I went with the BMW at the time because Tesla would not waive the $1300 destination fee even though I live next to the Fremont factory. Another reason is Tesla insurance is very expensive unless you're buying insurance directly from them. BMW at the time had 74 3 series sitting on the lot during the California lockdown and they were willing to negotiate the price. Pricing will always win.
And no car company will waive the destination/delivery fee. Sure, BMW might knock $1200 (or whatever they charge) off the price to negate it, but destination/delivery fee will show up as a line item on every bill of sale, for every manufacturer.
But I do agree with you, the Teslas are more fun to drive than comparable BMWs. I have bought 4 new BMWs since 2011, two of them M models. But I've switched over to Tesla now, and driving dynamics are a big part of it. You can't beat the laws of physics when you have a 1000lb lump of engine sitting relatively high up and in front of the wheels.
......My Model 3 came with worse issues. Massive panel gaps and issues. BUT, for the $37k I paid for the Model 3 & $55k for the Model Y, the comparable cars are also not great. A base 3 series interior is crap and slow. Most crossovers that compare to MY are more expensive or substantially slower.
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And no car company will waive the destination/delivery fee. Sure, BMW might knock $1200 (or whatever they charge) off the price to negate it, but destination/delivery fee will show up as a line item on every bill of sale, for every manufacturer.
But I do agree with you, the Teslas are more fun to drive than comparable BMWs. I have bought 4 new BMWs since 2011, two of them M models. But I've switched over to Tesla now, and driving dynamics are a big part of it. You can't beat the laws of physics when you have a 1000lb lump of engine sitting relatively high up and in front of the wheels.
Both can be good cars and have their uses and purposes. Tesla's are not really luxury cars. I see them more as nicer than Japanese dailys.
Honestly the Model 3 and Model Y are great cars. Reasonably priced daily drivers. Model 3 drives like a "sports" sedan. The supercharger network is unparalleled. BUT, yes build quality is mediocre at best. My MY came with some very obvious issues, some worse than others (one was a misaligned door that wouldn't close properly). My Model 3 came with worse issues. Massive panel gaps and issues. BUT, for the $37k I paid for the Model 3 & $55k for the Model Y, the comparable cars are also not great. A base 3 series interior is crap and slow. Most crossovers that compare to MY are more expensive or substantially slower.
Now the Model S and X kinda suck. When you are buying a $100k+ car, gas savings don't really matter lol. When you sit in a Model S/X and then sit in an equivalent car from the germans, you can tell the difference. At least the Lucid Air has a gorgeous interior and is really quiet. A brand new M5/7/S class, a X5M/X7 or RSQ8, are leagues and leagues ahead in terms of interior quality. You have much better paint quality and build quality as well.
ICE is better if you care about the sound, the visceral feeling; etc. It's the toy you want to drive on the weekend. I don't want a model s plaid as a weekend car. Any 911 would be my weekend car.
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