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2023 Tesla Model Y + $7,500 Federal Tax Credit

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$52,990

$52,990

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Tesla has dropped the base price of the Tesla Model Y from $65,990 down to $52,990. This price reduction means the Model Y now qualifies for the $7,500 Federal Tax Credit (details here).

Thanks to Community Member MurraytheDemonSkull for finding this deal.

Additionally, the base prices of all Tesla vehicles have been reduced. The base Model 3 is now $43,990, which is $3,000 lower than before. The Model 3 Performance is now $53,990, which is $9,000 lower than before, and now qualifies for the tax credit.

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  • This is $13,000 lower (19% savings) than the previous base price.
  • Factoring in the tax credit, the price of the Model Y today is $20,000 less than one purchased in December 2022.
  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300,000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225,000 for heads of households
    • $150,000 for all other filers
  • The tax credit is not refundable, which means one must have federal tax due to take advantage of it. If the tax due is less than the credit amount, one can only claim the credit up to the amount of the tax due.
  • Refer to the forum thread for additional deal discussion.

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Tesla has dropped the base price of the Tesla Model Y from $65,990 down to $52,990. This price reduction means the Model Y now qualifies for the $7,500 Federal Tax Credit (details here).

Thanks to Community Member MurraytheDemonSkull for finding this deal.

Additionally, the base prices of all Tesla vehicles have been reduced. The base Model 3 is now $43,990, which is $3,000 lower than before. The Model 3 Performance is now $53,990, which is $9,000 lower than before, and now qualifies for the tax credit.

Editor's Notes

Written by RazorConcepts
  • This is $13,000 lower (19% savings) than the previous base price.
  • Factoring in the tax credit, the price of the Model Y today is $20,000 less than one purchased in December 2022.
  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300,000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225,000 for heads of households
    • $150,000 for all other filers
  • The tax credit is not refundable, which means one must have federal tax due to take advantage of it. If the tax due is less than the credit amount, one can only claim the credit up to the amount of the tax due.
  • Refer to the forum thread for additional deal discussion.

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TofuVic
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If anyone is interested in hard numbers to figure out how much less expensive it is now compared to Tesla's best deal of 2022 - $7,500 discount with 10,000 free Supercharger miles - I bought a Tesla Model Y Long Range 7-Seater with white interior in late December 2022.

Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.

For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.

I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
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Tesla plans to add a new radar product to its vehicles in mid-January, according to documents posted with the Federal Communications Commission.

The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.

The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.

And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.

The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.

Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.

Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.

"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.

He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.

Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.

i hope this answers your question
AkumaX
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edit: ACTUAL LINK TO DEAL https://www.tesla.com/modely/design (SD's link goes to existing inventory page)
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design

I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:

* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)

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Jan 15, 2023 03:36 PM
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OutlawdevilJan 15, 2023 03:36 PM
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Quote from Pga :
your list is shit....here's the actual truth:

https://pictures.dealer.com/h/hen...32723x.jpg


You list is so shitty that it recommends timing belt change at 90k......while all BMW engines use only timing chains which do not require service....
Do you drive a bmw? Many BMWs have plastic timing chain guide , overtime they will be disintegrated which caused the engines to seized up, Google it my friend.
Jan 15, 2023 03:36 PM
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RoyGeeBivJan 15, 2023 03:36 PM
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Quote from mattymsu25 :
That isn't true at all. Next.
Yes, it is. As a matter of fact, the federal rebate for Tesla was phased out entirely by the end of 2019, so it has been gone for three (3) years. Now its back. Here is your L, add it to the pile, and let me know if you want more.
Jan 15, 2023 03:36 PM
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turns2stoneJan 15, 2023 03:36 PM
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Quote from mattymsu25 :
That isn't true at all. Next.
Next here. Teslas haven't qualified for any Federal tax incentives since calendar year 2019.
Jan 15, 2023 03:37 PM
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rrc06Jan 15, 2023 03:37 PM
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Quote from Pga :
Repair under warranty are free too. And no one is forcing you to get preventive maintenance on ICE cars either. If software bug or electrical failure bricks some part of your Tesla you will be still stranded just the same until a patch is available.
After having owned a vw and a MB prior to my Tesla, it was far more reliable and up and running than the other two cars were. Esp once we start talking high mileage like spark plugs, water pump etc
Jan 15, 2023 03:37 PM
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chrisjvJan 15, 2023 03:37 PM
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"The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years."

So if I owe $500 in taxes, I lose the $7000!
Jan 15, 2023 03:37 PM
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whocares1Jan 15, 2023 03:37 PM
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Quote from Pga :
cause "vegan leather"...what use to be called faux pleather..... is the thing when your are mostly marking to very left spectrum crowd. As I recall the crazy PETA types shamed Telsa into removing all leather from the cars. Musk happily complied to decontent the cars.
It looks not good and I think would not be as durable as leather seats.
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Jan 15, 2023 03:38 PM
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JellyBellyMDJan 15, 2023 03:38 PM
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Aaaah ok so you found some dated recommendation list by a DEALERSHIP, not the MANUFACTURER....which is what I posted. Got it. They will recommend whatever they want to make sales.

You going to keep ignoring the fact the list you posted recommends changing Timing BELT @ 90k miles while there is no BMW engine that utilizes timing BELTS???

An alleged "car expert" like you should know the difference between timing chain and timing belt.....but maybe not since you believe there's "AWD fluid"
HEY CHIEF, here is your AWD fluid

https://www.ravenolamerica.com/pa...nol-awd-h/

https://acura.bernardiparts.com/A...9007A.aspx

Here's info on Haldex AWD system so you educate yourself. You'll notice they were installed on certain Fords.....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal...nt%20names.

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Jan 15, 2023 03:40 PM
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rrc06Jan 15, 2023 03:40 PM
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Quote from boogak :
It's a minor day to day inconvenience until an inattentive driver behind you rear ends you. Then you might not have use of the car for weeks since you have to use Tesla's body shop for repairs, and anecdotally I've read of long waits.

Just not worth the risk for me when I had my Model 3, and yes I was attentive with autopilot, always had my foot on accelerate ready to take over.

Autopilot was still great for long road trips with light traffic.
People overuse AP way too much. It is safest and best on interstates with reasonable traffic
Jan 15, 2023 03:40 PM
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PgaJan 15, 2023 03:40 PM
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Quote from Outlawdevil :
Do you drive a bmw? Many BMWs have plastic timing chain guide , overtime they will be disintegrated which caused the engines to seized up, Google it my friend.
yes I do. This was only problem years back on the low end N20 4 cylinder turbo engine when originally introduced.
Jan 15, 2023 03:40 PM
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mychaelpJan 15, 2023 03:40 PM
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Quote from davedogx :
100% attempting to confirm from slick dealers, this non refundable tax credit before I put down the deposit for Model Y.

Salary combined with wife withholds approx 10k federal tax in 2022, so I do not 'owe' anything at time of filing taxes, about break even point.

So, since I have already paid approx 10k in federal, would a check / rebate be sent from IRS for this $7500 tax credit?

Does it have to be for this year filing taxes on 2022?
Speak to a tax professional, but how I understand it is that after all deductions, you get a tax rebate/credit up to $7.5k off what you still owe. If you don't owe anything, you get nothing. Or if your income is above the threshold.
Most people, including me don't make enough, to pay enough tax, to get the credit.

It really sucks that this is mainly for high earners with not many other deductions.

Example, a couple making $40k each can't get the full credit. I believe they need to make over $110k per year just to get it with no other deductions. Not 100% on that though.

Just don't trust the dealer if they give it to you off the price right there. Get a tax professional advice instead.

I want a Tesla, but can't afford it, and without the credit, it feels like losing $7.5k in addition to normal depreciation. ugh.
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Jan 15, 2023 03:41 PM
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NotAbot987Jan 15, 2023 03:41 PM
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Quote from ikonoklast :
Where does it say in the article that "it was a driver error"?

I see this: "The crash has raised questions about the technology and the driver's role in the incident. Several Tesla owners and experts suggest human error may be a factor, amid a federal investigation."

Investigations take time so to say this or that is the definite cause is premature.

I have experienced Tesla's well-known phantom braking while using their autopilot. It is unnerving when the vehicle suddenly slows down for no reason.

I don't think Tesla or Musk take criticism very well so they will continue to blame the driver even when their self-proclaimed FULL SELF DRIVING doesn't work as the name suggests. They continue to overstate the car's ability while charging $15k for its "phantom" ability. It'd be false advertising if it was any other company.
It's likely a driver error because, from everything we know and could see on video, system worked as designed. In the end it's a level 2 system and driver is to supervise the system. Here's how Tesla describes the system:

">What will I get when I purchase the Full Self-Driving capability?
You will get access to a suite of more advanced driver assistance features, designed to provide more active guidance and automatic driving under your active supervision."
Jan 15, 2023 03:41 PM
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SlickDDDJan 15, 2023 03:41 PM
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Quote from davedogx :
100% attempting to confirm from slick dealers, this non refundable tax credit before I put down the deposit for Model Y.

Salary combined with wife withholds approx 10k federal tax in 2022, so I do not 'owe' anything at time of filing taxes, about break even point.

So, since I have already paid approx 10k in federal, would a check / rebate be sent from IRS for this $7500 tax credit?

Does it have to be for this year filing taxes on 2022?
The tax credit is taken in the year the Tesla is delivered. Change your tax withholding this year if you don't want to receive a check/rebate from the IRS next year. There are also other restrictions as well including your joint filing income cannot be over 300K. I hope this helps!

This article you some facts you might or might not know about:
https://www.kiplinger.com/taxes/6...22-changes
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rrc06Jan 15, 2023 03:41 PM
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Quote from chrisjv :
"The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years."

So if I owe $500 in taxes, I lose the $7000!
Must be nice to owe so little. How can you afford a Y?

the only people i know who are ballers with low tax burdens are in real estate
Jan 15, 2023 03:42 PM
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PgaJan 15, 2023 03:42 PM
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Quote from rrc06 :
After having owned a vw and a MB prior to my Tesla, it was far more reliable and up and running than the other two cars were. Esp once we start talking high mileage like spark plugs, water pump etc
How many miles on your Tesla?

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ikonoklastJan 15, 2023 03:43 PM
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Quote from SharpArm7549 :
You do know that buying the FSD Beta is not required to purchase a Tesla, right? If you don't think it's worth $15k (and as a matter of fact, I don't either!) why would you buy it?

Full Self Driving Beta is named and advertised accurately. Idiots who can't read or pay attention are the problem. Like the people who think "autopilot" is a misleading name because "planes on autopilot fly themselves from airport to airport with no pilot input" (they don't).
The driver has the ultimate responsibility to not be a moron and believe Tesla's BS marketing, read and abide by the instructions, etc.

Tesla has the responsibility to not name something FULL SELF DRIVE when it's not full self-driving. It's false advertising which is against the law.

Just because something is optional doesn't mean it should take away Tesla's responsibility in marketing.

Yes, companies mislead but it's wrong in any other case as it is in Tesla's case. However, we are not talking about a harmless video game here. We are talking about a 4k+ lbs vehicle that has the real danger to cause serious harm where stupid drivers do stupid things. Mix stupid people with false advertising and you have a recipe for harm.

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