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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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The brake pedal only being friction brakes feels lazy. (Teslas approach) I much prefer the brake pedal start regen and as the pedal is depressed it blends in friction braking, which is how nearly every other OEM is setup.
It's just a car, depreciating asset, people, take a chill pill…
Maybe this did not occur to you, but you are contributing to the growing junk.
I have been driving around my Model 3 for four years. Auto break has not engaged once.
"I feel I can get a better car with 55k cash"
53K - 7.5K tax credit. And for some states like Oregon, another 2.5K state tax credit. Total 43K for the Model Y. What new car can you get for 43K that is a better value? Genuinely curious.
Source -
https://mor-ev.org/frequently-asked-questions
"Costs not included in the purchase price are destination or delivery charges, sales and use taxes, OEM or dealership rebates applied at the time of purchase or lease, additional maintenance or repair packages purchased from the dealership or showroom, documentation fees, registration fees, or add-ons which relate to the maintenance or operation of the vehicle, such as electric vehicle charging packages, floor mats, first aid kits, cargo nets, etc."
Only catch is model Y is not showing in the eligible vehicles yet as this discount started over the long weekend. Probably we can see by next week.. or I'm gonna call them for confirmation
"The vehicle must be on the list of Eligible Vehicles on the date of purchase or lease."
It is coming arnd 57k
Road noise is definitely an issue I've had in Teslas. I had to add Killmat to get it to an acceptable level for me.
Better car for $55K is debatable in this market, but if you can take advantage of the tax credit and get it down to $45K, this is definitely one of the top choices, assuming you can charge at home.
That's not to say it won't go way back up again—it probably will, and I'm confident enough that we're close enough to the bottom of this drop that I've started DCA-ing back in over the past few weeks. The future potential is still colossal.
Either way though, Elon has proven time and time again that he doesn't give a shit about the stock price, so he's thankfully immune to the kind of short-sighted stupidity that plagues other executives in making decisions based on a metric that is so relatively disconnected from the company's actual current performance.
The downside of him not caring about the stock price is that he doesn't seem to realize how important it is to his employees. Tesla was the highest paying automaker on earth for years because of their stock options and ESPP coupled with the stock's massive consistent growth. Without that growth, their compensation has dropped from industry-leading to barely competitive. This will change when it's on the upswing again, but I think he should put more money into ensuring that Tesla continues to get and retain the best people in the business—and it doesn't seem like he wants to.
It's just a car, depreciating asset, people, take a chill pill…
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The brake pedal only being friction brakes feels lazy. (Teslas approach) I much prefer the brake pedal start regen and as the pedal is depressed it blends in friction braking, which is how nearly every other OEM is setup.
I have been driving around my Model 3 for four years. Auto brake has not engaged once.
[Edit. It just occurred to me that you are talking about one pedal driving. Umm.. You can turn that off so the car drives like a regular gas car. Many of us love the one pedal driving.]
"I feel I can get a better car with 55k cash"
53K - 7.5K tax credit. And for some states like Oregon, another 2.5K state tax credit. Total 43K for the Model Y. What new car can you get for 43K that is a better value? Genuinely curious.
In stock, at MSRP for that locals in that zip code. That took me 5 seconds.
I'm sure, unless you live in Alaska, you can find a dealer within 50 miles that's charging MSRP. Sure, you may need to wait, but they're out there.
Maybe that's part of the reason why we're getting hefty discounts, to deplete the older battery tech (and Tesla demands slowing, and alots of competition - it's funny everyone in this thread fighting about it has to be this OR that...but to me, the obvious answer is - why not ALL OF THE ABOVE? lol)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGqFQ9_
There were honest reviews here from people who wasted their time to test drive a tesla to finally realize what kind of junk that is.
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