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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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Part 2. 16% of consumers who financed a new car pay at least $1,000/month
Part 3. Rate of severely delinquent loans has hit 2009 levels
Part 2. 16% of consumers who financed a new car pay at least $1,000/month
Part 3. Rate of severely delinquent loans has hit 2009 levels
That would suggest two things - (a) used car values are going to drop due to liquidity tightening; and (b) interest rates are going to get more expensive for banks to cover their loses.
Do your homework bro. Go through the forum. You will find bunch of suggestions.
Overall very happy with my purchase. Basically 46.5K for a LR model Y. Car is driving fantastic. Suspension is a bit rough over pot holes but I can live with that.
Overall very happy with my purchase. Basically 46.5K for a LR model Y. Car is driving fantastic. Suspension is a bit rough over pot holes but I can live with that.
Q7. What information does a seller have to provide to a taxpayer purchasing a new clean vehicle to allow the taxpayer to claim the new clean vehicle credit? (added December 29, 2022)
A7. A seller must provide the following information on a report to the taxpayer and to the IRS:
Q8. When must the seller provide the report to the taxpayer? (added December 29, 2022)
A8. The seller must provide the report to the taxpayer not later than the date the vehicle is purchased. For further details see Revenue Procedure 2022-42.
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Overall very happy with my purchase. Basically 46.5K for a LR model Y. Car is driving fantastic. Suspension is a bit rough over pot holes but I can live with that.
for the corolla its the hybrid XLE, which cost $26,600, but currently all dealers are adding nonsense $3-5k of random accessories,
similar story for honda, I don't even see a hybrid option on the website but the touring is $30,000+$3-5k in add ons/markup
if you're in a busy metro area or larger suburb, they won't knock too much off the price, especially for hybrids or suvs
none of these cars are going for msrp in larger cities
tesla effectively made the model 3 $37k after rebate
it's still pricier than either option but not the silly "you can buy two!" nonsense you're spouting, just fyi
Math is hard.
Overall very happy with my purchase. Basically 46.5K for a LR model Y. Car is driving fantastic. Suspension is a bit rough over pot holes but I can live with that.
mine estimated delivery is 2 days from today but have yet to get any directions on scheduling, how did Tesla start the delivery schedule? via phone call?
This tax plan still encourages yolo though.
The sticker price of a car means nothing, the true cost of a car is how much it costs every year to keep it going for the 12,000 miles on the road.
https://www.consumerrep
If a good new Tesla was only a few thousand more ($29K?) then price (with fuel saving) would be equal to one of the pair. And I would jump all over it.
And I think Tesla has overcome a lot of unfair anti-competitive resistance; making them cost to much.
Drop the EV debate for a second. do you know that toyota corolla start at 21.5k, but corolla GR tops out at 51K? so swap your argument for a second
one top trim corolla GR can buy you more than TWO corolla basic, largely because the 0-60 time is faster.
you want to try civic? sure
basic civic is 25k (yeap, that's base price for 2023 civic, how time has changed), civic typr R is 45K, which again is almost TWO civic, largely because it goes faster.
and this applies to almost every ICE car manufactures: Golf - R, BMW M3, MB AMG ... the list goes on.
bottom line: yes, people pay for performance. and yes, if you have a corolla/civic that does 0-60 in 4 second flat, that corolla and civic is going to cost 70k. let me remind you that model 3 performance, which is less than 55k, does 0-60 in 3.1 second. which is faster than shelby GT500, hellcat, 911 carera and DB11. THAT is value.
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