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As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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In the end there was so little audience they cancelled bringing the vehicle to the US at all because the range was laughably awful, and doubly so for the price- and once that's true nobody cares about how soft touch the dash is.
This is Toyota failing to learn from Mercedes error, just as they've failed to learn, basically, anything at all from Tesla (or even Ford who quickly jumped to #2 in US EV sales in short order, though still an order of magnitude behind Tesla in sales)
BTW, the car my Tesla Model 3 replaced was a bought-new Lexus IS350. Prior to the Tesla that Lexus was the best (of quite a few) cars I'd ever owned.
The Tesla is a better car in every way, much better performance, much lower cost to fuel, vastly better infotainment system, smarter features, and in the first 4 years of ownership has needed less service than the Lexus did and had fewer from-the-factory problems too.
Except sometimes they do.
It looks like when Tesla has spare 980s they put them in LRs, as evidenced by the LR owner who recently posted a pic of his 980 motor.
But as noted, 980 vs 990 makes no actual difference to the owner of the vehicle unless they plan to do 3rd party modification to turn an LR into a P anyway.
Teslas are fun to drive. They have great range. They have the largest tablets. Maintenance is minimal.
They don't have great quality control. There isn't a truck option. The minimalist cabin isn't for everyone. The design language is getting a little old. The leather and other materials is a little below luxury cars. There are parts that are seemingly needlessly over engineered.
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I'm still seeing the same prices and the federal tax credit should be good until end March, right?
I'm still seeing the same prices and the federal tax credit should be good until end March, right?
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Am I understanding the requirements correctly? If joint filers make more than $200,000, then you are not eligible at all (even for the $2,000 base rebate)?
But if you go to the savings calculator, it does not mention anything about a $200k income cap. It just asks if you make more than $73,241. I thought previously, there was no income cap for the $2000?
Apparently I needed to add "to me"? Sorry figured that was fairly obvious. My apologies.
Quality was perfect on mine- better than my Lexus.
That doesn't mean I don't still (and have in past threads about this) recommend new buyers take a quality checklist with them to delivery before accepting the car.
But then I ALSO did that when I picked up my Lexus (and again found MORE wrong with it from the factory than the Tesla).
If there's problems you don't think they can easily correct- reject the car. If there's problems you DO think they can easily correct, get the fact they will correct them in writing or reject the car.
You should do that picking up ANY car of ANY brand.
I said car.
Over a year ago NOBODY was delivering ANY EV truck at all
Even today there isn't a truck option for anybody unless you pre-ordered yours a year or more ago-- Rivian and Ford are both sold out for a long time ahead
Tesla is about to start building their own truck this year- also sold out years in advance
None of that really changes what I wrote though.
The door material does not "feel" quite as luxury, I'll give you that-- but how much time do you actually spend groping your door panels, compared to actually driving or otherwise operating the car which is a vastly better experience in the Tesla?
Because again the Lexus needed more actual maintenance, service visits, and recall visits by a lot, compared to the Tesla- and had a tremendously greater # of actual moving/could fail parts by design.
If I were to speculate, and it's just that, Tesla overbuilt 980 motors and when the tax credit initially appeared to only support non-P models ended up with an oversupply of 980s, so they just put them into Ys configed in SW as non-P models.
Again there's no functional difference to end users unless they intend to use a 3rd party hardware hack to (mostly) make the non-P into a P.
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