-Wiznaz (mod)
As of Feb 3, IRS the Treasury Department just fixed the EV tax credit's Tesla Model Y problem and the cap is $80k for ALL models now.
Ordered Date and App Time; City/State; Model; Delivery Date
01/13/2023; 7pm CST, Dallas, TX; MY, Est Jan 22nd to Feb 5th
01/13/2023; Ohio; M3, Est Mid Feb to March
01/15/2023; Oahu, Hawaii; MY; February 19 - March 26
01/14/2023; 9pm; Los Angeles, CA; MY (Blue); February 4 - March 4 (edit// now February 14 - March 21 as of 1/24/23) (edit2// February 8 - February 22 as of 1/30/23) (edit3// VIN assigned [PA066*]; February 15 - February 24 as of 2/4/23)
01/13/2023; 11:29am EDT; Boston/MA; MY White/Black wheels; January 19 - came with defect and went promptly to body shop without picking up
01/13/2023: 12pm PT, Los Angeles, CA; MY (white) no options; Jan 26 - Feb 26, then 10 days later got VIN, then three days later scheduled delivery for Feb 5.
Who Qualifies
You may qualify for a credit up to $7,500 under Internal Revenue Code Section 30D if you buy a new, qualified plug-in EV or fuel cell electric vehicle (FCV). The Inflation Reduction Act of 2022 changed the rules for this credit for vehicles purchased from 2023 to 2032.
The credit is available to individuals and their businesses.
To qualify, you must:
Buy it for your own use, not for resale
Use it primarily in the U.S.
In addition, your modified adjusted gross income (AGI) may not exceed:
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
You can use your modified AGI from the year you take delivery of the vehicle or the year before, whichever is less. If your modified AGI is below the threshold in 1 of the two years, you can claim the credit.
The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...quireme
The sale qualifies only if:
You buy the vehicle new
The seller reports required information to you at the time of sale and to the IRS.
Sellers are required to report your name and taxpayer identification number to the IRS for you to be eligible to claim the credit.
The new law requires the POS (Dealer or manufacturer) to report a bunch of information on the buyer to the IRS.
Such as:
Seller/Dealer name and taxpayer ID number
Buyer's name and taxpayer ID number
Maximum credit allowable under IRC 30D for new vehicles or IRC 25E for previously owned vehicles
Vehicle identification number (VIN), unless the vehicle is not assigned one
Battery capacity
Date of sale
Sale price
For new vehicles, verification that the buyer is the original user
CALIFORNIA
Now the Model 3 and Y do qualify for CVRP rebate up to $4,500 ($2,000 + $2,500 income eligible ) up to $7,500 after February 2023.
https://cleanvehiclereb
Summary of February 28, 2023 updates:
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In addition to the standard CVRP rebate, consumers with household income less than or equal to 400 percent of the federal poverty level are eligible for an increased rebate amount of $5,500 (previously $2,500) for BEVs and PHEVs, and $3,000 (previously $2,500) for FCEVs. This amounts to:
……….$7,500 for battery-electric vehicles (previously $4,500)
https://cleanvehiclereb
B Thank you for your email. Vehicle manufacturers must apply for Clean Vehicle Rebate Project (CVRP) eligibility with the California Air Resources Board (CARB) and meet a number of program requirements. If all program requirements are met, the vehicle is added to the list of eligible vehicles on our website. At this time, Tesla has not applied.
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Excluding taxes and fees, I paid $63,940. It's now $59,630, which is $4,310 less, and it is eligible for the $7,500 tax credit. That means if I didn't buy it in December and bought it today, I would have saved $11,810 + sales tax, so a bit over $12,000 in savings I missed. (I got 10,000 Supercharger miles, which is worth somewhere between $500 and $1,000.) With taxes and fees, I paid $71,578.55 in total.
For those who do order, I recommend this Tesla Prep guide [glideapp.io] to check for build quality issues on delivery day.
I hope this helps,
Tofu Vic
The disclosure, which was first reported by Electrek, comes as the company faces scrutiny over the safety and capabilities of its standard advanced driver assistance system known as Autopilot and the $15,000 optional upgraded product branded as "Full Self-Driving." Tesla FSD beta software offers some automated driving features but is not a self-driving system.
The luxury EV-maker has long claimed it could reach full autonomy through a "vision only" approach that shuns other sensors like lidar and radar in favor of cameras and a deep neural network that quickly processes a vehicle's surroundings and responds in real time. Tesla CEO Elon Musk previously promised to "solve" full self-driving by the end of this year (he's also promised Tesla would get there every year for roughly nine years now). He has recently admitted the problem will take longer to solve.
And perhaps, as every other autonomous vehicle technologist says, it's not actually achievable yet through cameras alone.
The company began removing radar from its vehicles last May. In October, Tesla removed its 12 ultrasonic sensors from Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built for North America, Europe, the Middle East and Taiwan. Ultrasonic sensors measure distance via ultrasonic waves and are used as proximity sensors to support anti-collision safety systems, particularly in parking use cases.
Now it appears radar is back. It's not yet clear which models will get the new radar. The type of radar Tesla intends to market next year is of a frequency that's allocated by the FCC for ADAS use cases, according to Ram Machness, chief business officer at Arbe Robotics, which produces ultra-high-resolution 4D imaging radar.
Tesla had originally filed with the FCC to use the new radar — which is described in filings as "76-77 GHz Automotive Radar" — in its vehicles back in June.
"From the frequency of operation (76-77GHz) as well as the mechanical design of the sensor from Tesla's FCC filing, it appears that this radar would be utilized in ADAS applications," Steven Hong, VP and general manager of radar technology at semiconductor company Ambarella, told TechCrunch.
He noted that while the performance of this "edge" radar sensor will be limited, it's a positive development that Tesla is looking to add radar to its perception stack for safety-critical, robust performance.
Earlier this year, the FCC had granted a confidential treatment to Tesla in order to keep the details of the new radar under wraps. Late last month, Tesla applied to extend that confidentiality treatment another 60 days from its date of expiration, which is December 7.
i hope this answers your question
Wayback Machine if anyone wants to do some research: https://web.archive.org/web/20220...ely/design
I'll throw out some notable 'milestones' , focusing only on the Model Y LR base model:
* Feb 2021 - $49,000 - Roughly the lowest price for the Y LR (not including the SR @ $42k)
From this point forward, Tesla started increasing the price about $1-2 every month or so, until it peaked out at $66,000. Ex:
* May 2021 - $51,000
* July 2021 - $53,000, etc...
* Feb 2022 - $59,000, etc...
* July 2022 - $66,000 <-- peak
* Dec 1 2022 - $66,000 (-$3750 credit/refund)
* Dec 15 2022 - $66,000 (-$7500 credit/refund)
* Jan 1 2023 - $66,000 back to peak (-$7500 fed tax credit only on 7-seater)
* Jan 13 2023 - $53,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Jan 23 2023 - $53,500 (-$7500 fed tax credit on base model + 7-seater but not performance)
* Feb 4 2023 - $55,000 (-$7500 fed tax credit on all models)
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I do see this one CU but not sure if it is worth trying because the membership seems a bit tricky. It does look like you can be a member for the annual basic membership at $65.
https://www.ussfcu.org/resources/...auto-loans
Tesla's website showed it had cut prices on both versions of its Model S by $5,000. The basic version of Model S was cut by 5% to $89,990, while the price of the performance, Plaid variant was cut by 4% to $109,990.
Prices of both the performance and basic variants of Model X cars were cut by $10,000, the electric vehicle maker's website showed. The price of the basic, AWD version of the Model X was cut by 9% to $99,990 while its performance Plaid version was cut by 8% to $109,990.
Makes me wonder if if Musk will slash prices on MYLR / P on any rollback from IRS guidance on cutting the fed tax incentive. Orders would go down for sure. Any thoughts? Thank you.
Their only reason to cut prices by $13k in January is to make the model Y eligible. They have since increased it by $2,500.
They have orders booked for 2-3 months. You don't want it, somebody else will take your car.
Even if EV tax credit gets cut, you are still paying $10k cheaper than before. Unless the demand dwindles, zero incentive for Tesla to cut model 3 or model Y. If anything they'll raise the price back to $58k which was mentioned some time ago as their sweet spot in terms of pricing.
Tesla's website showed it had cut prices on both versions of its Model S by $5,000. The basic version of Model S was cut by 5% to $89,990, while the price of the performance, Plaid variant was cut by 4% to $109,990.
Prices of both the performance and basic variants of Model X cars were cut by $10,000, the electric vehicle maker's website showed. The price of the basic, AWD version of the Model X was cut by 9% to $99,990 while its performance Plaid version was cut by 8% to $109,990.
Makes me wonder if if Musk will slash prices on MYLR / P on any rollback from IRS guidance on cutting the fed tax incentive. Orders would go down for sure. Any thoughts? Thank you.
The M3 and MY on the other hand are in a complete opposite position where the demand for both those vehicles is off the charts and inventory is being snapped up quickly since people want to take delivery in March in case the rules do change in April. However I think regardless if the IRS rules do change in April, assuming that happens, I think there will not be as many cancellations as you may think. I think if there any teasers of potentially parts of HW4 that start to get installed like the HD Radar, I think sales of the MY will continue to proceed as normal. I doubt most people were an all in or nothing scenario where if the credit got cut in half they will cancel. However if for some strange reason the IRS EV credit got cut to zero which i highly doubt will happen then I can see an large influx of cancellations.
The M3 and MY on the other hand are in a complete opposite position where the demand for both those vehicles is off the charts and inventory is being snapped up quickly since people want to take delivery in March in case the rules do change in April. However I think regardless if the IRS rules do change in April, assuming that happens, I think there will not be as many cancellations as you may think. I think if there any teasers of potentially parts of HW4 that start to get installed like the HD Radar, I think sales of the MY will continue to proceed as normal. I doubt most people were an all in or nothing scenario where if the credit got cut in half they will cancel. However if for some strange reason the IRS EV credit got cut to zero which i highly doubt will happen then I can see a large influx of cancellations.
I also think the company is in a bit of a mess. Their fsd is recalled and they haven't rolled out their backup vision. They have to fix that for us hw3 people.
I did want hw4 but I wasn't going to pay 15k for fsd anyways so it wouldn't impact me that much anyways. Ps very happy with my MY only complaint is the ride could be softer but that's how they different the MY from the MX/S.
I also think the company is in a bit of a mess. Their fsd is recalled and they haven't rolled out their backup vision. They have to fix that for us hw3 people.
I did want hw4 but I wasn't going to pay 15k for fsd anyways so it wouldn't impact me that much anyways. Ps very happy with my MY only complaint is the ride could be softer but that's how they different the MY from the MX/S.
My dream was that on Investor Day that they would announce that starting March 1st all the MY and M3 being produced would be HW4 included. However seeing all the stuff that is going on with FSD beta being pulled from all cars and this recent screw/bolt recall thing on the MY and the current huge backlog of MYs, I can't see Tesla rolling out HW4 until Q3 or Q4 of this year where they would need a slowdown in orders to retool the production line to accommodate the changes needed to add HW4. By that time, who knows the price of the MY and auto finance rates.
Some of their stuff is worth, others just rebrand and overpriced.
What about the Paint Protection Film for the lower rear door for $50? I want to get that, are those rebranded something else? If so what? Fifty bucks ain't going to break the bank for me, so was planning on just ordering from Tesla.
I hope it's at least prorated to some effect.
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My dream was that on Investor Day that they would announce that starting March 1st all the MY and M3 being produced would be HW4 included. However seeing all the stuff that is going on with FSD beta being pulled from all cars and this recent screw/bolt recall thing on the MY and the current huge backlog of MYs, I can't see Tesla rolling out HW4 until Q3 or Q4 of this year where they would need a slowdown in orders to retool the production line to accommodate the changes needed to add HW4. By that time, who knows the price of the MY and auto finance rates.
I hope it's at least prorated to some effect.
Order from MYSR base everything from inventory on 2/10
Vin assigned 2/11
EDD of 2/23 - 3/23 received a few a days after
EDD taken away on 2/28, nothing since
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