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Costco Members: 512GB Apple Mac Mini w/ M2 Pro Chip

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: 512GB Apple Mac Mini w/ M2 Pro Chip (MNH73LL/A) on sale for $1249.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member socalguy9 for finding this deal.

Specs:
  • Apple M2 Pro 10-Core Processor (6x high-performance + 4x high-efficiency)
  • 16-Core Integrated GPU
  • 16GB Unified Memory
  • 512GB Integrated NVMe PCIe Solid State Drive
  • 802.11ax Wi-Fi 6E / Bluetooth 5.3
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB Type-A
    • 2x Thunderbolt 4
    • 1x HDMI
    • 1x Headphone Jack
    • 1x Gigabit Ethernet

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Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Costco Members receive with purchase:
      • 2nd Year Warranty
      • Free Technical Support
      • 90 Day Return Policy
    • This is $50 lower than the next lowest price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $1299.
  • About this Store:
    • If you don't have a Costco Warehouse Membership, you can sign-up here
  • Refer to the forum thread for additional deal discussion.

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Costco Wholesale has for its Members: 512GB Apple Mac Mini w/ M2 Pro Chip (MNH73LL/A) on sale for $1249.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member socalguy9 for finding this deal.

Specs:
  • Apple M2 Pro 10-Core Processor (6x high-performance + 4x high-efficiency)
  • 16-Core Integrated GPU
  • 16GB Unified Memory
  • 512GB Integrated NVMe PCIe Solid State Drive
  • 802.11ax Wi-Fi 6E / Bluetooth 5.3
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB Type-A
    • 2x Thunderbolt 4
    • 1x HDMI
    • 1x Headphone Jack
    • 1x Gigabit Ethernet

Editor's Notes

Written by slickdewmaster | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • Costco Members receive with purchase:
      • 2nd Year Warranty
      • Free Technical Support
      • 90 Day Return Policy
    • This is $50 lower than the next lowest price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $1299.
  • About this Store:
    • If you don't have a Costco Warehouse Membership, you can sign-up here
  • Refer to the forum thread for additional deal discussion.

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mrmochi
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Don't forget, for every smaller iteration drive you get the SSD Speeds get cut in half

(MB/sec)
256GB = 1500
512 = 3000
1TB = 6000

Pretty crummy, borderline criminal of apple to not advertise this little change and give all the youtube reviews early-access to the 1TB knowingly hiding this important fact upon launch.
dclive
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The M2 Mac mini base has 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores.

The M2 Mac mini Pro base has 6 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores.

If you have an app that can use those extra cores, the machine could be (for CPU tasks) perhaps 50% faster.

The GPU is 16 cores in the base Pro vs 10 in the normal M2 mini, so it could be 60% faster if you have an app that can use all of those cores.

For most common apps that you as a user use for everyday things, the only thing that matters is single-threaded CPU speed, and at that, the M2 and M2 Pro are exactly the same speed.

I went to the Pro because:
1. It was immediately available
2. It had 2 more TB4 ports
3. I wanted the faster GPU with 60% more GPU cores (for the almost nonexistent MacOS games)
4. The price premium was $330 or so. Not happy, but it is what it is.

The additional 2 cores of CPU didn't really figure into it for me, as I almost never have jobs that overwhelm "even" "just" 4 CPU cores.

For code-compile, multimedia encoding, and some music creation tasks, particularly in Adobe and Apple professional apps, there is a significant gain to be had there. For Chrome, Edge, Safari, Mail, and GarageBand, probably not as much...
Jimmdean
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How much active memory your computer is using, particularly at idle, is not really an indication of anything. You really have to look at how much individual programs and process are using and how it fluctuates with use. It's more than just looking at how much you have used or free. A computer could have nothing free and still be operating perfectly fine with no noticeable slowdown.

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Feb 21, 2023 03:50 AM
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socalguy9
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Feb 21, 2023 03:50 AM
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Quote from wolverine88 :
I thought Costco does not have extra warranty anymore?
This is what's on the website:
https://www.costco.com/concierge.html

Similar language is mentioned in the product page under "warranty and services"
Feb 21, 2023 03:57 AM
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TowHeadFeb 21, 2023 03:57 AM
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There's four tb4 holes on the pro, two on the base M2. If one gets a dock to expand one into more, what happens to the bandwidth. Are the four on the pro fully separate and full speed or is it a shared bus like a dock would be?
Feb 21, 2023 04:01 AM
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JimmdeanFeb 21, 2023 04:01 AM
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Quote from TowHead :
A lot of people don't understand the the memory is "unified", in other words, it's actually part of the die/core brick. There's no solder, slots, PCB involved between the Core and the RAM so it's simply not upgradeable at all. This is why the M1/M2 is so damned fast, because there's no bus contention, crossing planes to slots via gold contacts, no memory-stretch cycles, and so on - its virtually instantaneous fetch/put relative to the "slow" access required of external DDR RAM sticks.
where you see unified memory (and gpu for that matter) being a good thing I see a unified supply chain with dollar signs all around. let's see how well Apple can scale it in high-power desktops before we crown it the best thing ever. right now all we know is it makes for some pretty good laptops and higher margins for Apple.
Last edited by Jimmdean February 20, 2023 at 09:04 PM.
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Feb 21, 2023 04:07 AM
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wolverine88Feb 21, 2023 04:07 AM
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Quote from TowHead :
A lot of people don't understand the the memory is "unified", in other words, it's actually part of the die/core brick. There's no solder, slots, PCB involved between the Core and the RAM so it's simply not upgradeable at all. This is why the M1/M2 is so damned fast, because there's no bus contention, crossing planes to slots via gold contacts, no memory-stretch cycles, and so on - its virtually instantaneous fetch/put relative to the "slow" access required of external DDR RAM sticks.
agree, these RAM on the chip is like double of those regular slotted/soldered memory,

Have a MBP 16 Pro with 16GB and MBA M1 with 8GB, for a development machine (running a lot of heavy dev tools, DB, video/audio processing locally), 16GB is fine. for normal home user, 8GB is plenty enough.
Feb 21, 2023 04:10 AM
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wolverine88Feb 21, 2023 04:10 AM
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Quote from mrmochi :
Don't forget, for every smaller iteration drive you get the SSD Speeds get cut in half

(MB/sec)
256GB = 1500
512 = 3000
1TB = 6000

Pretty crummy, borderline criminal of apple to not advertise this little change and give all the youtube reviews early-access to the 1TB knowingly hiding this important fact upon launch.
agree, so the sweet/min spot is 512GB SSD.
Feb 21, 2023 04:18 AM
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TowHeadFeb 21, 2023 04:18 AM
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Quote from Jimmdean :
where you see unified memory (and gpu for that matter) being a good thing I see a unified supply chain with dollar signs all around. let's see how well Apple can scale it in high-power desktops before we crown it the best thing ever. right now all we know is it makes for some pretty good laptops and higher margins for Apple.
Wasn't an opinion, just a fact. I like flexibility and heat, myself, but battery life is where it's at.
Feb 21, 2023 04:40 AM
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wolve3Feb 21, 2023 04:40 AM
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Quote from Jimmdean :
where you see unified memory (and gpu for that matter) being a good thing I see a unified supply chain with dollar signs all around. let's see how well Apple can scale it in high-power desktops before we crown it the best thing ever. right now all we know is it makes for some pretty good laptops and higher margins for Apple.
Apple has already made a high powered desktop using the M1 chips, it's called the Mac Studio.

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dcliveFeb 21, 2023 04:48 AM
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Quote from socalguy9 :
I am wondering how this would stand in comparison to the M2 Mini regular, upgraded with 24GB RAM. Because of the higher number of performance cores, would you expect the M2 Pro to still be the better choice? Thanks.
(going to be using this mostly for coding as mentioned in the previous post)
RAM doesn't make your machine faster unless it was paging to being with. I doubt you'd get any improvement whatsoever going from 16 to 24 GB for compile work. It's all CPU and i/o. Chances are pretty good you also wouldn't see a benefit going from 8GB to 16GB, but going to a Pro will settle that for you.

Stick with the cores. Don't worry about 24GB; 16GB is plenty. Honestly, 8GB is plenty too. Take a few minutes and pore over this: https://github.com/devMEremenko/XcodeBenchmark

A few takeaways:
1. 1 SECOND difference between M2 8/256 and M2 16/512. With the "double the speed" faster SSD. Smilie The people getting excited about the max speed benchmark on the SSD are being silly for most tasks, unless they copy large single files to an external TB4 SSD all day long.
2. RAM doesn't clearly help with compiling.
3. More cores helps, but it doesn't scale perfectly. 50% more performance cores might be 20% faster. The base 8GB M2 8/256 isn't half bad, and destroys an (older) i9.
4. The M2 is a good bit faster than the M1 when compiling. In spite of having "slower" SSDs. Smilie
5. Hackintosh on new 13th gen Intel hardware is REALLY fast.
Last edited by dclive February 20, 2023 at 09:55 PM.
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t99Feb 21, 2023 04:56 AM
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Quote from wolverine88 :
I thought Costco does not have extra warranty anymore?
Costco Citi card no longer offers 2 year extended warranty. Costco Concierge does offer 1 additional year of warranty.

Used to be 3 years in total with Citi card, now its 2 years in total with Costco Concierge in addition to the 1 year manufacturer warranty.
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Feb 21, 2023 05:03 AM
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socalguy9
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Quote from dclive :
RAM doesn't make your machine faster unless it was paging to being with. I doubt you'd get any improvement whatsoever going from 16 to 24 GB for compile work. It's all CPU and i/o. Chances are pretty good you also wouldn't see a benefit going from 8GB to 16GB, but going to a Pro will settle that for you.

Stick with the cores. Don't worry about 24GB; 16GB is plenty. Honestly, 8GB is plenty too. Take a few minutes and pore over this: https://github.com/devMEremenko/XcodeBenchmark

A few takeaways:
1. 1 SECOND difference between M2 8/256 and M2 16/512. With the "double the speed" faster SSD. The people getting excited about the max speed benchmark on the SSD are being silly for most tasks, unless they copy large single files to an external TB4 SSD all day long.
2. RAM doesn't clearly help with compiling.
3. More cores helps, but it doesn't scale perfectly. 50% more performance cores might be 20% faster. The base 8GB M2 8/256 isn't half bad, and destroys an (older) i9.
4. The M2 is a good bit faster than the M1 when compiling. In spite of having "slower" SSDs.
5. Hackintosh on new 13th gen Intel hardware is REALLY fast.
I appreciate your weighing in on this, and shall check out the github link. Thanks for the highlights. Seems like this will serve my purpose well. Looking forward to working on this when it arrives this week.
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Elon69Feb 21, 2023 11:29 AM
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I don't use Xcode but I use Office suits all day with safari and chrome. I write some code with VScode and Node occasionally and test it on my M2 8Gb/256 air. Never had issues. I check istat when memory is running out and it usually telegram Mac app somehow sucking up ton of memory and a quick app restart fixes it

The air is snappy all day everyday. I am a power knowledge worker not a Xcode developer so take that for it's worth
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TheNarratorrFeb 21, 2023 01:45 PM
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Quote from mrmochi :
Don't forget, for every smaller iteration drive you get the SSD Speeds get cut in half

(MB/sec)
256GB = 1500
512 = 3000
1TB = 6000

Pretty crummy, borderline criminal of apple to not advertise this little change and give all the youtube reviews early-access to the 1TB knowingly hiding this important fact upon launch.
Weird how people buy PCs with hard drives but god forbid an SSD is a little slower but infinitely faster than hard drives.
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erishunFeb 21, 2023 01:46 PM
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Quote from wolverine88 :
I thought Costco does not have extra warranty anymore?
It doesn't, people seem to be living in the past when "Costco has unlimited returns forever!". That's been gone for years now. Their return policy/warranty is fairly standard now.

Still like Costco, but it's not the same anymore.
Feb 21, 2023 01:59 PM
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PSUBall13Feb 21, 2023 01:59 PM
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Curious, this might not be the right thread, but any recommendations on what Monitor to use with the Mac mini M2 Pro? I believe if I am right you don't need to a use a MAC monitor and can use anything. Thanks!

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LovelyReward9676Feb 21, 2023 02:05 PM
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I got the base Mac studio last year as a gift. I've been thinking about swapping it for this M2 Pro. Is worth it?

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