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expired Posted by KDoggMDF ā¢ Mar 7, 2023
Mar 7, 2023 2:17 AM
18TB Seagate Exos X18 7200RPM 3.5" Internal Enterprise Hard Drive (Recertified)
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I bought a 4tb recently (not from this seller) and it had 66,000 hours on it
Assuming you back things up properly, Exos may still be worth it. I switched from Ultrastars to Exos because they've cost so much less that it seems unlikely Ultrastar reliability could ever make up the difference, even after any required replacements (in a large enough drive population). I could be wrong and will be looking for deals on Ultrastars from now on as well.
Backing up is essential. It's why I bought the Exos drives. I started getting a little nervous about having all my data on the same-ish type of drives, even if they've been flawless so far. One thing that puzzles me is that everyone brings up these deals on the Exos drives but rarely mentions that this seller has Ultrastars for relatively similar prices.
I bought a 4tb recently (not from this seller) and it had 66,000 hours on it
If it's only 4TB and for non-personal use, I'd be tempted to do cloud backup via iDrive or something.
Maybe it's bad strategy (or maybe it's good strategy..), but I run a mixture of drive brands/series, based on what's on sale at the time. As long as they're in the same class of product and drive speed. I have a few WD red Pros, one WD Datacenter HC, and two Seagate Exos drives.
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It is common to see MTBF ratings between 300,000 to 1,200,000 hours for hard disk drive mechanisms, which might lead one to conclude that the specification promises between 30 and 120 years of continuous
2 parity never had an issue with unraid server
We don't have people who are simultaneously rich, geeky and bored enough to do an air-tight study that leaves no room for you to doubt. It's just not economic to do this for a youtube video and academics aren't interested in something with low science content. There's only anecdotes from user experience. Live with it.
Did you notice a lot fewer people b*tch about data loss under WD/HGST threads yet Seagate drives there's always a bunch of people with their anecdotes of their history of failed Seagate drives who can't wait to share their experience?
Data loss is a painful experience. It takes at least 2 decades to forget a few years of shitty drives a brand made. HGST learned their lessons with Deskstar/Deathstar. Even with the anecdotal stats from BackBlaze, As of 2020s, Seagate drives in their report are roughly 3 times more likely to fail than HGST and that's in a temperature controlled server room/rack, not consumer environments that's less controlled.
We don't have people who are simultaneously rich, geeky and bored enough to do an air-tight study that leaves no room for you to doubt. It's just not economic to do this for a youtube video and academics aren't interested in something with low science content. There's only anecdotes from user experience. Live with it.
Did you notice a lot fewer people b*tch about data loss under WD/HGST threads yet Seagate drives there's always a bunch of people with their anecdotes of their history of failed Seagate drives who can't wait to share their experience?
Data loss is a painful experience. It takes at least 2 decades to forget a few years of shitty drives a brand made. HGST learned their lessons with Deskstar/Deathstar. Even with the anecdotal stats from BackBlaze, As of 2020s, Seagate drives in their report are roughly 3 times more likely to fail than HGST and that's in a temperature controlled server room/rack, not consumer environments that's less controlled.
Good to have Seagate to exist to compete on the price, but I'm not touching their drives with a 10 foot pole unless they are 5 times cheaper so I can clone the data 3 times. I have to account for the extra cost for electricity and the extra 2 sata ports + controllers and a computer to handle the data duplication.
Good to have Seagate to exist to compete on the price, but I'm not touching their drives with a 10 foot pole unless they are 5 times cheaper so I can clone the data 3 times. I have to account for the extra cost for electricity and the extra 2 sata ports + controllers and a computer to handle the data duplication.
Seriously, you do you man. I also had 5 3TB seagate drives that all died. I also had bad maxtors and we all remember the deathstars. I just choose to separate my personal past experiences from what my expectations are of the future. There is nothing wrong with holding a grudge against them.
It's still a good deal and likely a good drive, and for the same price I'd buy a WD instead as well.
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Seriously, you do you man. I also had 5 3TB seagate drives that all died. I also had bad maxtors and we all remember the deathstars. I just choose to separate my personal past experiences from what my expectations are of the future. There is nothing wrong with holding a grudge against them.
It's still a good deal and likely a good drive, and for the same price I'd buy a WD instead as well.
If a company has a long rap sheet, not a chance I'm going to give it the benefit of the doubt until they've positively proved that they've redeemed themselves. When you get burned 5+ times by the same company over a span of 20 years, each time hoping they'd do better (well, the discounts from Seagate were tempting) the next time round, the grudge is immense.
Your anecdotal experience matches mine and many others, so their failures are by no means flukes. "Fool me once, ..." and you know the rest.
The BackBlaze report isn't helping either as it shows Seagate by 2020 still hasn't learned their lesson and they still haven't got their reliability to match its competition. I'm not giving a brand an excuse if their drives are consistently 3 times less reliable and it's not over a small sample like 30 drives so the number is likely be a fluke.
To me, a 40% discount is not enough for me to choose Seagate over WD. It's just wishful thinking to assume Seagate is just as good. Between buying two WD drives and 3 Segates to mirror, I'd pick 2 WD drives at anytime as there's less heat and one less SATA port to deal with.
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