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Lion Energy GO 20 Portable 20W Solar Panel

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Lion Energy has Lion Energy GO 20 Portable 20W Solar Panel on sale for $8.50 when you apply discount code BN during checkout. Shipping is free.

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About this Item:
  • 20W Solar Panel with Monocrystalline cells
  • Dual USB 11.8" connector wire from panel to Lion Cub GO with max current output of 8A
  • 2 USB 5.34V @ 4A outputs
  • Dimensions: 18.4" x 14.3" x 1" (L x W x H)
  • Weight: 3 lbs

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    • Rated 4.8 out of 5 stars from 32 reviews.

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Update: This deal is still available.

Lion Energy has Lion Energy GO 20 Portable 20W Solar Panel on sale for $8.50 when you apply discount code BN during checkout. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member xjimmyx for sharing this deal.

About this Item:
  • 20W Solar Panel with Monocrystalline cells
  • Dual USB 11.8" connector wire from panel to Lion Cub GO with max current output of 8A
  • 2 USB 5.34V @ 4A outputs
  • Dimensions: 18.4" x 14.3" x 1" (L x W x H)
  • Weight: 3 lbs

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Apr 1, 2023 2:56 PM
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madmax718Apr 1, 2023 2:56 PM
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Most efficient use of this panel:
12v trickle charger with a boost converter.
USB charger (But maybe with your own buck converter to get more power out)

Some fun and interesting uses:
Remote wifi cameras like Arlo and blink. (they use a lot less than wyze cams). Add a small lithium pack with pass through charging (without an on/off button) .
This might also work well for a repeater. You can make a poor man's repeater using two bao feng radios, a car battery, and a panel and go for weeks...
Apr 1, 2023 3:51 PM
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m0nkeyApr 1, 2023 3:51 PM
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Some fun and interesting uses:
Remote wifi cameras like Arlo and blink. (they use a lot less than wyze cams). Add a small lithium pack with pass through charging (without an on/off button) .


Got two of these panels and this sounds perfect. Any help to give to set this up. Just rechargeable batteries for the blink ?
Apr 1, 2023 7:58 PM
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RezerApr 1, 2023 7:58 PM
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Our community has rated this post as helpful. If you agree, why not thank

So I finally got these panels yesterday and today I did some basic testing to see what the output looks like.

First of all, taking the cover off the back of the panel is a destructive process. The plastic cover is screwed to the PCB from the side that's facing the panel on two opposing corners, and the PCB itself is glued to the panel making those screws inaccessible. You could probably drill out the screws by going through the back of the cover, but I wasn't in the mood for making a replacement cover. I did manage to get the end cap off which is just a snap-in fit over the USB A ports and I was able to see that each USB A output is fed by individual buck converters (2x inductor + 2x unidentified 8 pin chip). So they're not just linear regulators at least, which is nice, and the dedicated buck converter for each port means you can sustain higher current when both ports are in use.

I then tested it with a variable load in full southern california sun at solar noon with the panel pointed straight at the sun, and found that each USB A port voltage starts falling below 5V when it pulls anything north of ~1A. It holds 4.8V pretty well up through 1.8A, and once you get up to 2A it drops to about 4.5V. I was able to push it up to just north of 4A before the voltage fell off a cliff, but at 4A the voltage had dropped to very close to 4V. Long story short, any device plugged into the USB A port is unlikely to ever pull much more than 1.5A just due to the voltage drop, even at peak solar output.

That's not the whole story through, because I repeated the load test with a power bank charging from the other USB A port. The power bank was only pulling about 1.25A at 4.95V, but it kept pulling that amount even as the other port approached 4A. Even better, it maintained 4.95V until the load from the other port completely swamped the panel's output, at which point both ports dropped to < 2V of output. The peak output I saw is very close to if not slightly over the 20W peak output claimed for this panel. Unfortunately, due to the way USB charging works (e.g. devices tend to pull as much as they can until the voltage drops to around 4.8-4.9V), it's very unlikely that you'll hit 20W even with 2 devices charging in full midday sun. The buck inverters just aren't up to the task for 2A of output while maintaining 5V, but that's not the panel's fault...with a proper regulator connected to the unregulated micro USB ports I'd imagine 20W is pretty doable.
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Apr 1, 2023 8:00 PM
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madmax718Apr 1, 2023 8:00 PM
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Quote from m0nkey View quoted comment :
Some fun and interesting uses:
Remote wifi cameras like Arlo and blink. (they use a lot less than wyze cams). Add a small lithium pack with pass through charging (without an on/off button) .


Got two of these panels and this sounds perfect. Any help to give to set this up. Just rechargeable batteries for the blink ?
You can't. Charge the batteries in the blink it has no charging circuit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/20424742...media=COPY
Get one of these, plug in the USB from the panel (regulated 5v not the unregulated male side) and then from the power bank to your blink.
Apr 1, 2023 11:50 PM
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lurewarsApr 1, 2023 11:50 PM
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Quote from jujubee02 View quoted comment :
I just received my order today. Beefier than I expected but not sure what I'm going to do with these
My thoughts exactly. Was expecting some very cheap light panels that I'd be lucky if they worked at all. These are heavy and robust. Don't know how they shipped them at this price, let alone manufactured them.

Already used them to charge some usb batteries and they seem to work great šŸ‘
Apr 2, 2023 3:30 AM
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graphixvApr 2, 2023 3:30 AM
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Quote from madmax718 View quoted comment :
Your statement is correct though you also can figure out that famewolf was asking about pass though charging. And there are pass through ups with no transfer time. They are constantly being fed DC power into the power bank and the transformer is constantly making ac power.
Yes. But there are tons of people on Slick Deals who would not know this. If the poster was referring to Pass Through charging, why not just phrase it that way? It is not the same thing as charging and discharging at the same time after all. They even later changed this to pass/through. I guess I'll play the evil troll for correcting this.

You would be surprised how many people do not understand that. I've even seen YouTube videos with people fairly experienced with solar who didn't understand why a particular project wouldn't work. Some people actually think you can charge a battery with solar that is constantly discharging into a load. Pretty amazing but it's out there.
Last edited by graphixv April 1, 2023 at 08:52 PM.
Apr 2, 2023 3:45 AM
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nyc10036Apr 2, 2023 3:45 AM
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Quote from madmax718 View quoted comment :
You can't. Charge the batteries in the blink it has no charging circuit. https://www.ebay.com/itm/20424742...media=COPY [ebay.com]
Get one of these, plug in the USB from the panel (regulated 5v not the unregulated male side) and then from the power bank to your blink.
Aren't the Blinks powered by 2x AA batteries?
How would that work with a power bank?


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Apr 2, 2023 5:44 AM
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KevinF2020Apr 2, 2023 5:44 AM
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Quote from eChemistry View quoted comment :
When I removed the bubble wrap, there was some oily residue on both the front and back of the panel. This oily residue didn't smell like anything....so not sure if this is "normal" for new solar panels. I used some isopropyl alcohol (IPA) on a soft cloth and was able to remove this residue.

Did anyone else see some oily residue on your panels? Anyone know if this residue is "normal" part of the manufacturing process?
Yes, mine had light residue too. Wiped it off the same way. Didn't seem problematic at all. Solid feeling panels. Not sure what they're capable of yet, but hopefully they can slow charge a cell phone or small power bank at least. If it can do that (for $8.50!) that's a SlickDeal in my book.
Apr 2, 2023 6:03 AM
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RezerApr 2, 2023 6:03 AM
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Quote from graphixv View quoted comment :
You would be surprised how many people do not understand that. I've even seen YouTube videos with people fairly experienced with solar who didn't understand why a particular project wouldn't work. Some people actually think you can charge a battery with solar that is constantly discharging into a load. Pretty amazing but it's out there.
You're really splitting hairs there...at the end of the day "some people" aren't wrong, as long as the load is smaller than the solar panel's output. Sure, in reality the battery is only charging and the excess power is being fed directly to the load without the battery providing any power, but it works fine all the same.
Apr 2, 2023 3:51 PM
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nyc10036Apr 2, 2023 3:51 PM
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Quote from KMan View quoted comment :
I bought this exact same charge controller a few years ago to convert the 12.5V output of my custom-made 10W solar panel to USB, and it actually works pretty well. Nothing fancy, no MPPT or anything like that, but it gets the job done with decent efficiency, although with a 10W panel you really need ideal conditions to effectively use both ports at once. With a 20W panel it should work just fine even under non-ideal conditions.
I don't see a photo.
What same exact charge controller?


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Apr 2, 2023 7:29 PM
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dnguyen800Apr 2, 2023 7:29 PM
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Thanks for providing these details. I understood about 50% of what you said but I'm learning.

Quote from Rezer View quoted comment :
So I finally got these panels yesterday and today I did some basic testing to see what the output looks like.

First of all, taking the cover off the back of the panel is a destructive process. The plastic cover is screwed to the PCB from the side that's facing the panel on two opposing corners, and the PCB itself is glued to the panel making those screws inaccessible. You could probably drill out the screws by going through the back of the cover, but I wasn't in the mood for making a replacement cover. I did manage to get the end cap off which is just a snap-in fit over the USB A ports and I was able to see that each USB A output is fed by individual buck converters (2x inductor + 2x unidentified 8 pin chip). So they're not just linear regulators at least, which is nice, and the dedicated buck converter for each port means you can sustain higher current when both ports are in use.

I then tested it with a variable load in full southern california sun at solar noon with the panel pointed straight at the sun, and found that each USB A port voltage starts falling below 5V when it pulls anything north of ~1A. It holds 4.8V pretty well up through 1.8A, and once you get up to 2A it drops to about 4.5V. I was able to push it up to just north of 4A before the voltage fell off a cliff, but at 4A the voltage had dropped to very close to 4V. Long story short, any device plugged into the USB A port is unlikely to ever pull much more than 1.5A just due to the voltage drop, even at peak solar output.

That's not the whole story through, because I repeated the load test with a power bank charging from the other USB A port. The power bank was only pulling about 1.25A at 4.95V, but it kept pulling that amount even as the other port approached 4A. Even better, it maintained 4.95V until the load from the other port completely swamped the panel's output, at which point both ports dropped to < 2V of output. The peak output I saw is very close to if not slightly over the 20W peak output claimed for this panel. Unfortunately, due to the way USB charging works (e.g. devices tend to pull as much as they can until the voltage drops to around 4.8-4.9V), it's very unlikely that you'll hit 20W even with 2 devices charging in full midday sun. The buck inverters just aren't up to the task for 2A of output while maintaining 5V, but that's not the panel's fault...with a proper regulator connected to the unregulated micro USB ports I'd imagine 20W is pretty doable.
Apr 2, 2023 11:25 PM
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budsterApr 2, 2023 11:25 PM
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Quote from Rezer View quoted comment :
So I finally got these panels yesterday and today I did some basic testing to see what the output looks like.

First of all, taking the cover off the back of the panel is a destructive process. The plastic cover is screwed to the PCB from the side that's facing the panel on two opposing corners, and the PCB itself is glued to the panel making those screws inaccessible. You could probably drill out the screws by going through the back of the cover, but I wasn't in the mood for making a replacement cover. I did manage to get the end cap off which is just a snap-in fit over the USB A ports and I was able to see that each USB A output is fed by individual buck converters (2x inductor + 2x unidentified 8 pin chip). So they're not just linear regulators at least, which is nice, and the dedicated buck converter for each port means you can sustain higher current when both ports are in use.

I then tested it with a variable load in full southern california sun at solar noon with the panel pointed straight at the sun, and found that each USB A port voltage starts falling below 5V when it pulls anything north of ~1A. It holds 4.8V pretty well up through 1.8A, and once you get up to 2A it drops to about 4.5V. I was able to push it up to just north of 4A before the voltage fell off a cliff, but at 4A the voltage had dropped to very close to 4V. Long story short, any device plugged into the USB A port is unlikely to ever pull much more than 1.5A just due to the voltage drop, even at peak solar output.

That's not the whole story through, because I repeated the load test with a power bank charging from the other USB A port. The power bank was only pulling about 1.25A at 4.95V, but it kept pulling that amount even as the other port approached 4A. Even better, it maintained 4.95V until the load from the other port completely swamped the panel's output, at which point both ports dropped to < 2V of output. The peak output I saw is very close to if not slightly over the 20W peak output claimed for this panel. Unfortunately, due to the way USB charging works (e.g. devices tend to pull as much as they can until the voltage drops to around 4.8-4.9V), it's very unlikely that you'll hit 20W even with 2 devices charging in full midday sun. The buck inverters just aren't up to the task for 2A of output while maintaining 5V, but that's not the panel's fault...with a proper regulator connected to the unregulated micro USB ports I'd imagine 20W is pretty doable.
Thanks for all this info. Could you also post some pictures of the work you did to expose things on the back of the panel? If I understand right, you tried to but did not actually remove the cover of the USB module on the back?
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Apr 3, 2023 5:14 AM
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Quote from budster View quoted comment :
You can get these for $5 each from Lion Energy on ebay, but only if you are willing to buy 500 of them. Free shipping too.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/364182527264
If we can get 500 SDers to sign up?
Apr 3, 2023 6:13 AM
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RezerApr 3, 2023 6:13 AM
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Quote from budster View quoted comment :
Thanks for all this info. Could you also post some pictures of the work you did to expose things on the back of the panel? If I understand right, you tried to but did not actually remove the cover of the USB module on the back?
Sure, the pictures are attached. It's impossible to get a picture of the buck converters and only just barely possible to get a peek at them by prying and squinting, but there's definitely 2 in there. Like I said though it's a destructive process to get inside, even so much as getting that cap back on is a chore. You can see I've kind of mangled OUT2 forcing it back on, but oh well, I don't plan on moving plugs around a lot on this one anyway. In the last photo I tried to label the 2 screws on the opposing corners. They come from the bottom of the PCB and go up into the plastic, so unscrewing them is just not happening.

I should also add that the numbers are a bit flawed in my first post, I was being lazy and had my load tester powered by the same battery bank I was using as the second load. For some reason my load tester over-reports the current when it has a common ground with the load, something I was not aware of when I was testing this out. The voltage drop follows a similar trend, but it drops quite a bit sooner than what I initially measured, with regulation failing at about 3A rather than 4A. I'll see about correcting it tomorrow.
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Apr 3, 2023 6:50 AM
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budsterApr 3, 2023 6:50 AM
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Quote from Rezer View quoted comment :
Sure, the pictures are attached. It's impossible to get a picture of the buck converters and only just barely possible to get a peek at them by prying and squinting, but there's definitely 2 in there. Like I said though it's a destructive process to get inside, even so much as getting that cap back on is a chore. You can see I've kind of mangled OUT2 forcing it back on, but oh well, I don't plan on moving plugs around a lot on this one anyway. And in the last photo I tried to label the screws, but they come from the bottom of the PCB and go up into the plastic. Unscrewing them is just not happening.

I should also add that the numbers are a bit flawed in my first post, I was being lazy and had my load tester powered by the same battery bank was using as the second load. For some reason my load tester over-reports the current when it has a common ground with the load, something I was not aware of when I was testing this out. The voltage drop follows a similar trend, but it drops quite a bit sooner than what I initially measured, with regulation failing at about 3A rather than 4A. I'll see about correcting it tomorrow.
Thanks a lot for sharing those photo and taking one for the team to see what's under the cover.

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