Detailed Answer:
Step 1: Look at Line 11 on your 2022 Tax return (Form 1040).
Step 1a: For the vast majority of taxpayers this won't apply: Add to Step 1 any income from Puerto Rico you excluded, any housing exclusion foreign income you claimed (Lines 45 and 50 of Form 2555), and American Samoa residential income excluded (Line 15 of Form 4563).
Step 2: If that number is less than:
$300,000 Married Filing Jointly
$225,000 Head of Household
$150,000 Single and any other filing status
then continue to Step 3. Otherwise, you currently DO NOT qualify for any rebate, and will need to reduce that number on your 2023 Tax return below those limits. You can reduce that number by traditional 401k contributions, or some small-business options.
Step 3: Look at Line 24 on your 2022 Tax return (Form 1040).
- If it is greater than $7,500 and your income in 2023 stays the same or increase, you will get the full $7,500.
- If it is less than that, you get that amount (assuming your income stays the same). If your income increases then you may get a larger refund, up to $7,500.
In other words, in order to get the full tax credit, you must OWE at least $7500 in taxes and be under the income limits.
You absolutely CAN NOT carry over for a few years, or even one more year. It is a one time credit. Any unused credit is LOST!
Q7. Is the new clean vehicle credit refundable or able to be carried forward? (updated March 31, 2023)
A7. The new clean vehicle credit may only be claimed to the extent of reported tax due of the taxpayer and cannot be refunded. The new clean vehicle credit cannot be carried forward to the extent it is claimed for personal use on Form 1040, Schedule 3, Additional Credits and Payments.
from page 3 of this IRS document: https://www.irs.gov/pub/taxpros/fs-2023-08.pdf
* If you're concerned about battery degradation, you can take a look at this site [teslalogger.de] (Pull down the menu for Model Y LR)
* If you like to nerd out on graphs, data, and overal health of your vehicle, get a program called teslamate that can be installed on your home server. every time your car parks in your garage it will send driving telemetry data to it with pretty graphs [teslamate.org] and all.
* You can also opt to get teslausb [github.com], which can wirelessly send all your dashcam footage to your home server every time you pull into your garage.
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EV good if you have a dedicated charging station at home.
if you live in an apartment complex or condo its not as consumer friendly, unless you want to pay up the wazoo at supercharger stations and inconvenience yourself by having to go there every time to charge. Go to plugshare.com to see how much you will be paying in your area. Just multiply cents * 45kwh (assuming you're charging from 20% to 80%). For my area I would be paying $20-$25 per charge at a supercharger station. At home, with the national average electrity rate of 0.14 / kwh, it would cost $6
if you live in california, don't forget that you can also get another $2k in CVRP rebate. you get a check in the mail but the wait time is long to get it.
also don't forget about the single occupant HOV lane decal you can sign up at the DMV website.
basic autopilot is more than sufficient. autopilot still has a long ways to go imo. definitely not worth getting the advanced AP and definitely not full self driving at $15k. as MKBHD always says, don't buy a product on a promise of features yet to come.
also, make sure you setup your electricity usage to "time of use" or EV-specific plan as your bill will assuredly go up. Don't be on those tiered plans. Yes, you will end up saving money compared to ICE vehicles paying for gas, unless you get a hybrid, which is a bit more comparable, especially in areas where electricity is expensive.
additionally, people forget that you need to install a wall connector or mobile connector in your home. equipment costs $230 for the mobile connector +$45 for the nema 14-50 adapter, which is good enough especially if you do scheduled charging at night to save on electricity. installation itself will vary depending on your region and how much electricians will charge you, but it can get expensive. just make sure you're not getting ripped off as electricians are aware of the EV craze and asking for higher premiums on them. installation can go anywhere from $1k-$2k+. (according to poster SamirPD, you can ask the electrictian to install a dryer outlet and it should save you money and prevent you from being ripped off). One worthy note, EV charger and installation is tax deductible at 30%, just need to fill out the tax form [irs.gov] when you do your taxes next year. EDIT: SD poster hiro916 indicated that the 30% tax deduction only pertains to low income or rural tract areas, so YMMV [reddit.com].
as for car insurance, I'm paying $95 a month through Geico, but thats with a robust policy.
if you are impatient like me, and want to get one right away without having to wait, go to the waitingfortesla discord server [discord.com] and setup alerts for any time a Model Y drops in your local area. You have to act quick as they get snatched up relatively quickly. You can see whats in inventory on their website too [waitingfortesla.com]. Don't expect to see base model Y LR coming into inventory. If you want to pick something up quick settle for the 20 inch induction wheels (costs $2k extra) as they are more readily available. You can always sell the tires if you want to recoup some of the costs and get an aftermarket hubcap that look better than stock anyhow.
If you're interested in a real world range comparison of current popular EV's check out this YT video [youtube.com].
once you pick up your car you have 100 miles and 7 days to report any defects. panels gaps aren't as much of a problem anymore compared to years past, but be on the lookout for them. paint quality isn't so great out of the factory, mine came with swirl marks all over and had to get it paint corrected.
if you're concerned about battery degradation, you can take a look at this site [teslalogger.de] (select dropdown and look for Y LR AWD US to see the average degradation over time based on mileage. on average after 50k miles you should see about a 10% degradation, and it will degrade more slowly 50k+ miles onwards.
in terms of accessories, the only real requirement imo that you need are mud flaps. reason being is because without them, the rear passenger quarter panels will get hit with rock chips very quickly. tesmanian is a good aftermarket seller, or you can just opt for ones you see on amazon. if you want to go deeper into accessories temu is a great site for low prices compared to amazon.
if you like to nerd out on graphs, data, and overal health of your vehicle, get a program called teslamate that can be installed on your home server. every time your car parks in your garage it will send driving telemetry data to it with pretty graphs [teslamate.org] and all.
you can also opt to get teslausb [github.com], which can wirelessly send all your dashcam footage to your home server every time you pull into your garage.
my personal thoughts on ownership thus far. overall i like it. i am using it as a daily driver / commuter car. i don't think of Model Y and 3 as a 'luxury' vehicle. I see Tesla as a software company trying to be an automaker, and the legacy automakers are trying to be more like Tesla by being more tech focused. Teslas are continuously getting software updates to improve year over year. Interior build quality is spartan, and the ride quality need some improvement, especially if you are in an area with poor road conditions. if you're really into tech like me, this is the car for you. Performance vehicles I still prefer ICE cars over EV's however. first thing you will notice in an EV though, is the instant torque. that is what will grab you immediately.
If you have questions and need instant feedback join the Tesla discord, I'm active on there and other members can assist with questions you may have: https://discord.com/invite/tesla
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I should have done a little bit more homework before ordering but better now than never.
IRS 2023 Site: "The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years."
What other product in life is there that you pay more for, than someone else if you make less money than they do?
1. Most of the credit gets captured by the manufacturer and dealerships by way of increased prices. (previous tax credit allowed foreign automakers to qualify, meaning we were sending US funds to giant foreign automakers).
2. It's regressive because only the wealthy buy new cars and can take advantage of in income tax credit. Over half of households pay zero federal income tax.
3. EV supply is battery constrained, not demand constrained, so increasing demand via subsidy is idiotic
4. What problem is being addressed by this multi-billion dollar subsidy, and how exactly does this address it. I'm talking measurable and quantifiable results, not feel good pandering to constituents. After all, this is depleting billions from a federal government that is running massive deficits AND spending money they don't have.
5. Government has no business deciding technology winners and losers. You want to reduce the consumption of it, the most effective and least corrupt way to accomplish that is via taxation.
I'm pro EV, which is why I'm anti EV subsidies. Whenever the government "helps" a cause, they just make things worse. Our politicians are either corrupt, or profoundly ignorant; both of which are disqualifying attributes.
Our HHI was just over your example, $512k. We had approximately 28% tax liability all in. My company pays 100% of insurance. We don't max an HSA, it's worthless since we don't have significant medical expenses. IRA is maxed, 401k is 3.5% (there's no point contributing beyond the match), we have 5013c in addition to 529. There's a MONUMNETAL difference between what we have left over and what we did when we made closer to $300k. We are literally buying a house a year right now with what's leftover. At $300k our income covered lifestyle and retirement and that was it.
article https://www.consumerrep
one of the "strikes" against tesla is the cars ability to sit on a stop light for as long as required for it to safely move forward because this causes a situation where the driver may not be paying attention anymore and other car assist systems will not "go" if it is stopped for too long. the other strikes against are the cars inability to keep the driver "engaged on the road" They ding auto pilot on "ease of use" to engage autopilot you press down on the gear stalk twice. Why is it not easy to use? because the autopilot isn't very clear on what it is doing(because a massive display showing you what the car is about to do isn't clear) and also because the gearstalk is used to both activate the autopilot(lane keeping) and the cruise control
In what alternate reality do you guys let the government borrow money? Keep that money in your pocket earning interest heck better yet put it in bonds and have the government pay you interest on the money you owe them!
article https://www.consumerrep
one of the "strikes" against tesla is the cars ability to sit on a stop light for as long as required for it to safely move forward because this causes a situation where the driver may not be paying attention anymore and other car assist systems will not "go" if it is stopped for too long. the other strikes against are the cars inability to keep the driver "engaged on the road" They ding auto pilot on "ease of use" to engage autopilot you press down on the gear stalk twice. Why is it not easy to use? because the autopilot isn't very clear on what it is doing(because a massive display showing you what the car is about to do isn't clear) and also because the gearstalk is used to both activate the autopilot(lane keeping) and the cruise control
The also misnamed "full self driving" for $15k buys you… absolutely nothing. When, AND IF, they come up with a working certified full self driving (which experts agree is impossible to do with only cameras) then you'll get it, presumably having paid less than what they'll charge at that point.
This was a great scam back when they originally charged $6k for it many years ago, but they've been progressively increasing the price while delivering absolutely nothing.
It got to the point that irate buyers started making so much noise Tesla had to throw them a bone and allowed them to enroll into a "beta" program, where essentially the car can drive itself BUT you must control it at all times (and sometimes wrestle control from it when it does something stupid, google "phantom braking")
Bottom line, you paid $15k to beta test their crappy software that will never fully work. It's a total scam.
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In what alternate reality do you guys let the government borrow money? Keep that money in your pocket earning interest heck better yet put it in bonds and have the government pay you interest on the money you owe them!
1. Government depends on withhold to run.
2. If you income does not increase from last year, under payment will result in pretty hefty penalty.
3. You don't want to give yourself wrong impression that earning is high and promote unnecessary spending and fall into a bad tax situation at tax time.
4. Previous years when interest is low, underpayment does not incur much earning. The past year is a bit different though
In what alternate reality do you guys let the government borrow money? Keep that money in your pocket earning interest heck better yet put it in bonds and have the government pay you interest on the money you owe them!
1. Government depends on withhold to run.
2. If you income does not increase from last year, under payment will result in pretty hefty penalty.
3. You don't want to give yourself wrong impression that earning is high and promote unnecessary spending and fall into a bad tax situation at tax time.
4. Previous years when interest is low, underpayment does not incur much earning. The past year is a bit different though
2. you can calculate what you estimated tax for the year is based on your income, why wouldn't i just pay my payroll income tax instead of "overpaying" and getting a refund? wtf?
3. "give myself the wrong impression and promote unnecessary spending...so now you are saying if you dont have self control managing money is hard? hahahaah
4. like investing that extra money? so you are saying it is better to loan the governemnt money for a year instead of investing it for any none 0 percent? like 1 percent? or 2 percent?
dude these reasons are nonsensical
The also misnamed "full self driving" for $15k buys you… absolutely nothing. When, AND IF, they come up with a working certified full self driving (which experts agree is impossible to do with only cameras) then you'll get it, presumably having paid less than what they'll charge at that point.
This was a great scam back when they originally charged $6k for it many years ago, but they've been progressively increasing the price while delivering absolutely nothing.
It got to the point that irate buyers started making so much noise Tesla had to throw them a bone and allowed them to enroll into a "beta" program, where essentially the car can drive itself BUT you must control it at all times (and sometimes wrestle control from it when it does something stupid, google "phantom braking")
Bottom line, you paid $15k to beta test their crappy software that will never fully work. It's a total scam.
The also misnamed "full self driving" for $15k buys you… absolutely nothing. When, AND IF, they come up with a working certified full self driving (which experts agree is impossible to do with only cameras) then you'll get it, presumably having paid less than what they'll charge at that point.
This was a great scam back when they originally charged $6k for it many years ago, but they've been progressively increasing the price while delivering absolutely nothing.
It got to the point that irate buyers started making so much noise Tesla had to throw them a bone and allowed them to enroll into a "beta" program, where essentially the car can drive itself BUT you must control it at all times (and sometimes wrestle control from it when it does something stupid, google "phantom braking")
Bottom line, you paid $15k to beta test their crappy software that will never fully work. It's a total scam.
Full self driving in streets i input the address and car will follow traffic rules stop in stop lights mind pedestrians and cyclists and get me to the next parking lot in it's current iteration. Now there is probably a lot of people who dont find value in that. I do.
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