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2023 Tesla Model 3 w/ 3 Months Supercharging + $7500 Federal Tax Credit

(For Qualifying Buyers)

from $37830

$40,240

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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

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  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
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Tesla is offering its 2023 Tesla Model 3 starting from $37830. This model now qualifies for the $7500 Federal Tax Credit (more information here and here).

Thanks to community member krispytreat007 for sharing this deal.

Note, price and availability will vary by location and may be limited. Additional fees may apply.

Additionally, this includes 3 months free unlimited Supercharging if ordered and delivered between June 14 and June 30, 2023.

Editor's Notes

Written by qwikwit | Staff
  • To qualify for the federal tax credit, one must not exceed the following adjusted gross income limits:
    • $300000 for married couples filing jointly
    • $225000 for heads of households
    • $150000 for all other filers
  • The credit is nonrefundable, so you can't get back more on the credit than you owe in taxes. You can't apply any excess credit to future tax years.
  • See the forum thread for deal discussion.
  • Get 1%-5% cash back on deals like this with a cash back credit card. Compare the available cash back credit cards here.

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Eagles89
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You forgot to mention the $1390 destination fee, $425 for wall connector, $230 for mobile charger, $250 non-refundable order fee.
scn312
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Tesla Model 3 RWD starts at $40,240 but is now eligible for the full $7,500 federal tax credit (income limits apply). Previously, it was only eligible for $3,750. This makes the starting price $32,740 after tax credit.

https://www.tesla.com/model3/design

Deal is even sweeter if you live in a state with additional credits:

VT: $26,320
MA: $26,830
PA: $27,330
RI: $27,820
DE: $27,820
NY: $28,320
CA: $28,330
CO: $28,330
CT: $29,030
ME: $29,320

Full tax credit details below, but the following income limits apply:

$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers

https://www.irs.gov/credits-deduc...3-or-after
Knightshade
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NO IT DOES NOT.

Withholding is totally irrelevant to qualifying for the credit.

If you're unclear on this go read a 1040.

The part where you compute tax liability is lines 16 through 24.

THAT is where the $7500 EV credit comes off.

Your withholdings aren't even looked at until after that on line 25+







This is also not correct.

The Child Tax Credit is worth a maximum of $2,000 per qualifying child. Up to $1,600 is refundable for the 2023 tax year.

Refundable credits are computed AFTER non-refundable ones-- so the CTC is only "worth" $400 off your tax burden for these purposes- the $1600 left is refundable.

Thus if you had say $7900 in tax burden and one CTC and one EV credit, your tax burden would go to $0 and you'd get a full refund of the $1600 refundable part of the CTC


Source:
https://www.nerdwallet.com/articl...tax-credit

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Powza
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Quote from haloguy :
Useless because of income cap on tax credit 😡😡😡
Exactly. I would buy at this price level but screw it because I can't get tax credit.

All Tesla needs to do is allow lease buyout and incentivize tax credit for leases.
Tesla is losing sales by not being on this list https://leasehackr.com/blog/2023/...-on-leases
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imsupernoob
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seems like they are throwing in the 19in wheels w/ no extra cost
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PennStateFan
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Quote from imsupernoob :
seems like they are throwing in the 19in wheels w/ no extra cost
Black color is extra which is why both are equivalent pricing.
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imsupernoob
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Quote from imsupernoob :
seems like they are throwing in the 19in wheels w/ no extra cost
nvm i think im wrong
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Quote from Powza :
Exactly. I would buy at this price level but screw it because I can't get tax credit.

All Tesla needs to do is allow lease buyout and incentivize tax credit for leases.
Tesla is losing sales by not being on this list https://leasehackr.com/blog/2023/...-on-leases [leasehackr.com]
I would buy one too! Does the lease hack method result in higher price though?
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Knightshade
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Quote from Powza :
Exactly. I would buy at this price level but screw it because I can't get tax credit.

All Tesla needs to do is allow lease buyout and incentivize tax credit for leases.
Tesla is losing sales by not being on this list https://leasehackr.com/blog/2023/...-on-leases


Tesla has never allowed end-of-lease purchase for these cars, and don't even allow is for the S/X anymore either. Lease returns make up a large % of their used car sales business.



Also worth noting from your link:

Quote :
Note that the lease incentive does not guarantee a good deal. Some lenders, such as Hyundai Motor Finance, lowered the lease residual value and increased the money factor (the interest rate for a lease) upon offering the $7,500 lease incentive, resulting in minimal changes to the monthly payment

So basically some car makers claim they are willing to pass on the $7500 savings, then mark up the OTHER terms of the lease to effectively pocket the $7500 themselves anyway
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deepaksn1
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I think model 3 and model y will get cheaper further this year or next. Elon wants to cut the competition by reducing price. I suggest hold your purchase.
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justmeagaintoo
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Has the IRS stated this yet?
I haven't seen $7500 mentioned by them.
I certainly won't take elon's word.
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Binar
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Quote from Kensic :
if you earn 470k a year, i think youre smart enough to answer your own question.
Not always true . Most likely he has a tax guy . Tax guy doesn't have time to answer your petty EV questions.
Other than that he could be a doctor or heck even a popular influencer with a successful business, practice but no strong math skills. Also Covid earned income is skewed and inflated . Lots of ppl had 2 or 3 remote jobs , lots of ppl received Covid relief business funds. Why do you think we have inflation
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Ven007
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Quote from Knightshade :
Same as any other new car- whatever tax your state/city/etc charges for tax/title/registration, and a federally-required destination charge- which you should already see the same place you see the $250 order fee.
thanks.. no dealer fee type of stuff i am assuming
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Quote from Knightshade :
Tesla has never allowed end-of-lease purchase for these cars, and don't even allow is for the S/X anymore either. Lease returns make up a large % of their used car sales business.

Also worth noting from your link:

So basically some car makers claim they are willing to pass on the $7500 savings, then mark up the OTHER terms of the lease to effectively pocket the $7500 themselves anyway
End of lease purchase? You clearly don't understand what is even being discussed. I understand that you think it's your responsibility to reply to every Tesla post in every Tesla deal topic but at least try to understand what you are replying to.

Are you saying every dealer every lease will mark up $7,500? That is ridiculous. Many people have had good deals. Obviously you need to understand what you are doing when leasing car with intent of immediate buyback.

Anyway, to restate my point. I would have bought another Tesla at this price point but will not even consider it because my income is too high to qualify for tax credits.

I am only considering lease buyout deals with $7,500 capital reduction baked in, for example Hyundai Ioniq.

Lost sale for Tesla.
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java568
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Quote from Knightshade :
Tesla has never allowed end-of-lease purchase for these cars, and don't even allow is for the S/X anymore either. Lease returns make up a large % of their used car sales business.
This is a great point, but Tesla's decision to do this is costing it sales it could be receiving from high income earners who are looking to lease with an immediate buyback to take advantage of the tax credit (which is somehow completely available to billion-dollar commercial organizations but not families who make over $300k).

Quote from Knightshade :
So basically some car makers claim they are willing to pass on the $7500 savings, then mark up the OTHER terms of the lease to effectively pocket the $7500 themselves anyway
This point makes less sense for people who are trying to use a lease to take advantage of the tax credit. The lease residual value and money factor are not going to play a huge part in the cost for people looking to immediately buy out their lease. You don't buy purchase the car at the end of the lease (as you mention above), you do it immediately. Also, a lower lease residual value is actually helpful to buyouts at any stage.
Last edited by java568 June 3, 2023 at 01:29 PM.
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DC13
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Tesla saying it doesn't make it true. This federal tax credit still shows 3750. Knowing Tesla, they will openly lie and put the liability on the owner when they don't qualify for the full 7500. It wouldn't be the first time Tesla openly lies, it's in their business model. Still waiting for Fully Self Driving since it was promised to be fully operational in 2016.
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Quote from Eagles89 :
You forgot to mention the $1390 destination fee, $425 for wall connector, $230 for mobile charger, $250 non-refundable order fee.
Don't know how post like these even get thumbs up. Must be Tesla haters.

1: Destination fees are common when purchasing any car.

2: Last time I checked, gas pumps aren't included to be installed in your driveway when purchasing an ICE vehicle.

While it's nice to have charging equipment included, it's really a drop in the bucket compared to the overall purchase. At lease you can buy one from anywhere else and use the included J1772 to Tesla/NACS adapter. Not forced to buy from Tesla.

3: The order fee goes towards the purchase price. So it's not an additional cost unless you decide to back out.
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I suppose the concern is whether discounted inventory has a China-produced LFP battery or the newer, assumedly American-produced LFP battery. Technically only the latter of which would qualify for the full $7,500 tax credit if it's based on the VIN.

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