Beginning in 2024, everyone under the income limit qualifies for the full $7,500 rebate. It does not matter if you owe less than that in taxes, and you can get it at the time of purchase instead of waiting for next year's taxes.
https://www.npr.org/2023/12/28/12...ford-vw-gm
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expiredDC13 posted Jun 3, 2023 9:12 PM
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edit: For clarification from the wiki: "The tax credit is not refundable, which means one must have federal tax due to take advantage of it. If the tax due is less than the credit amount, one can only claim the credit up to the amount of the tax due."
So lower income people will not get a $7500 refund, it depends on your liability. i.e. A SDer responded about a student being angry in a previous thread that they only got $500 back and not $7500.
Virtually all of the ICE vehicle can be recycled. Generally the only items not recyclable per se will be interior trim - it's mixed plastic and rubber. Engine? steel or aluminum. Gearcases? Steel or aluminum. Body, frame, etc, steel or aluminum. In fact, about 86% of a car can be recycled [recyclenation.com].
Meanwhile your EV will still have a fully and readily recyclable frame and body, just like the ICE. The motor will generally be recyclable. The battery? Not really. Generally batteries and battery packs are not really designed for recycling. Most are just thousands of individual cylindrical cells, that themselves are spiral wound multilayer structures. There's no easy way to separate the materials here. An ICE, you literally rip out the engine with heavy equipment and include it in with any other steel or aluminum - the process is astonishingly easy and quick [youtube.com] with heavy equipment.
Meanwhile, the batteries are generally just shredded [ucsusa.org]. The resulting material is called "black mass" and is placed into a bath of caustic chemicals to leech out the *important* elements. In certain cases, that black mass is first incinerated to burn off plastic and epoxies. Yeah that sounds super efficient and environmental to me.
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Did I mention each car takes the equivalent of three house's daily energy demands to recharge? That's wild.
https://www.worldometer
The idea is to transition well before that point. You don't want to run out of oil and go: "Ok, so now what do we do? Horse and buggies again?". Oil will still be used of course, but it will be used at a much slower rate, extending the "running out of oil date". There's about 290 million registered cars in America alone. Hundreds of millions of cars consuming gallons of gas every day around the world.
We are going to have to leap to a better technology to generate electricity (nuclear fusion if it can be mastered). Some people want to leap to hydrogen fuel cell cars but as of today it's very inefficient compared to electric cars.
A China company called Nio has a very interesting solution to the charging dilemma. They have battery swap facilities. When your battery charge is low in your car, you drive up to the battery swap facility, a robot removes the battery from your car and replaces it with a fully charged battery. Your depleted battery gets charged at the facility for another user. Rinse and repeat. The process takes about 4 minutes to complete:
https://youtu.be/lqZOJUW4STY?t=2
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And here we are. It's gotten out of hand. Like if most corporations and governments devoted all their resources to making flying cars work and ignoring the biggest issues with them with the fallacy that "time will heal all faults." It also reminds me of the laughable movement to "bring Detroit back", which also ironically is the area where much of the EV transition nonsense is spreading from. In spite of all the talk about bringing Detroit back, they refuse to properly develop the mass transit there and many places that were once great for tourists are now getting dangerous and being ruined.
The sad thing is, you can detail your argument to people as to why something just won't work, and these little children will just yell "FUD!" or call you grandpa and think they won the argument. All you can do is let them learn the hard way. And they do. They enjoy it. It's tragic. I don't know.
$3K though, for some reason I thought it was $4K.
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https://www.worldometer
The idea is to transition well before that point. You don't want to run out of oil and go: "Ok, so now what do we do? Horse and buggies again?". Oil will still be used of course, but it will be used at a much slower rate, extending the "running out of oil date". There's about 290 million registered cars in America alone. Hundreds of millions of cars consuming gallons of gas every day around the world.
We are going to have to leap to a better technology to generate electricity (nuclear fusion if it can be mastered). Some people want to leap to hydrogen fuel cell cars but as of today it's very inefficient compared to electric cars.
A China company called Nio has a very interesting solution to the charging dilemma. They have battery swap facilities. When your battery charge is low in your car, you drive up to the battery swap facility, a robot removes the battery from your car and replaces it with a fully charged battery. Your depleted battery gets charged at the facility for another user. Rinse and repeat. The process takes about 4 minutes to complete:
https://youtu.be/lqZOJUW4STY?t=2
There's a reason Omar Bradley said "Amateurs talk strategy, professionals talk logistics." I feel like many EV fanboys, politicians and even car companies aren't thinking this through at all. Even Rivian's service center thingy in Madison Heights, Michigan has like only ten chargers in the front parking lot. THIS IS AN ELECTRIC CAR COMPANY AND THEY CAN'T EVEN PUT ADEQUATE NUMBERS OF CHARGERS INSTALLED!
NOT A GOOD SIGN.
The other solution is much more sinister, but surprisingly being talked about by the world elites. People like Bill Gates have talked about it. How the world needs to depopulate. Where if somehow billions of people were to be wiped off of the Earth, suddenly you'd have a LOT less carbon consumers. It just so happens that a way this could happen "naturally" (wink wink) is if a world wide pandemic were to occur. It's a low carbon solution. World War is messy. Very high carbon output.
The next evolution in battery tech is Solid state batteries. That will be a huge leap in battery longevity. We are some years away from that.
Your link lists 198 Tesla fires-- total.
Tesla had sold over 4 million EV by early this year.
That's roughly 5 fires per 100,000 cars sold.
The Chevy Bolt had 19 reported just by GM (source below)
https://www.wtae.com/article/chev...loved%20
And total Bolt sales at the time were about 140,000 (we know this from the size of the recall of "every" bolt ever)
That's roughly 13 fires per 100,000 cars sold.
In other words Bolts catch on fire over 2.5 times more often than Teslas do.
And again that's ONLY using GM-reported known fires.
For added perspective of course, gasoline cars catch on fire at a rate of 1529.9 per 100,000 cars sold. INSANELY more often than any EV.
Citation for the fire rates of gas cars:
https://www.nextbigfutu
Hybrid cars, as always, are the worst of all worlds- catching on fire more than 2x as often as even gas cars, which are already terrible compared to real EVs.
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This is just cringe. You're telling someone with a gas car that refuels quickly and travels at a consistent range on trips, that has fuel pumps easily available most places, to trade their car in for one that is only reliably charged at home.
Imagine pitching the military on a warship that can't leave the coastline of your country and imagine how well that would go. I can't believe adults are backing arguments like this to support the transition to EVs. This is something you expect to hear from a 12-year-old who doesn't understand how the working adult world works.
Pathetic.
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