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Tesla 3 ~ 29k after NJ state EV rebate
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1. only new orders qualify!
2. $4000 for MSRP (RWD Model 3 qualify, you can search the website to determine).
3. $1500 for MSRP (Tesla Model Y).
4. Above incentive is limited by $25/EPA rated miles, so theoretically any car with MSRP < $45K and 160 miles should qualify for $4000.if you want to be sure, ask them via email or phone (https://chargeup.njclea
Tesla is also much more affordable with no NJ sales tax, and a combined $9000 to $11500 Fed/NJ incentives (the cheapest Model 3 is now less than $29K if you qualify for both incentives).
1. only new orders qualify!
2. $4000 for MSRP (RWD Model 3 qualify, you can search the website to determine).
3. $1500 for MSRP (Tesla Model Y).
4. Above incentive is limited by $25/EPA rated miles, so theoretically any car with MSRP < $45K and 160 miles should qualify for $4000.if you want to be sure, ask them via email or phone (https://chargeup.njclea
Tesla is also much more affordable with no NJ sales tax, and a combined $9000 to $11500 Fed/NJ incentives (the cheapest Model 3 is now less than $29K if you qualify for both incentives).
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1. only new orders qualify!
2. $4000 for MSRP (RWD Model 3 qualify, you can search the website to determine).
3. $1500 for MSRP (Tesla Model Y).
4. Above incentive is limited by $25/EPA rated miles, so theoretically any car with MSRP < $45K and 160 miles should qualify for $4000.if you want to be sure, ask them via email or phone (https://chargeup.njclea
Tesla is also much more affordable with no NJ sales tax, and a combined $9000 to $11500 Fed/NJ incentives (the cheapest Model 3 is now less than $29K if you qualify for both incentives).
1. only new orders qualify!
2. $4000 for MSRP (RWD Model 3 qualify, you can search the website to determine).
3. $1500 for MSRP (Tesla Model Y).
4. Above incentive is limited by $25/EPA rated miles, so theoretically any car with MSRP < $45K and 160 miles should qualify for $4000.if you want to be sure, ask them via email or phone (https://chargeup.njclea
Tesla is also much more affordable with no NJ sales tax, and a combined $9000 to $11500 Fed/NJ incentives (the cheapest Model 3 is now less than $29K if you qualify for both incentives).
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Define normal.
It'll be more than a corolla. It'll be comparable to other cars in its class.
https://www.motortrend.
That's Motortrend comparing the Tesla models to the comparable BMW ones and the Tesla is similar (or cheaper) for the most commonly sold models.
Likewise my own insurance was about the same when I moved from a Lexus IS350 to a Tesla Model 3.
Shop around though, YMMV from one company to the next.
For those 3 main reasons, I would Skip a EV. You Might get 150-200k before a dead battery kills your 30k investment, or you could get that Camry and drive it 300k+ and still have a resalable car based on current Toyota resale data.
Another thing that Annoys me is the idea of tax credits. We often hear about how the rich don't pay their fair share. Those folks forget that the Tax Law was written that way to induce a artificial behavior. I don't think that is a role of GOVT. Picking winners and losers'. When it is done, one person pays or is helping to pay for another's property. A Govt "rebate" via the tax system can only is useful to folks wo are not taking the standard deduction. By definition is helping the wealthy at the expense of the poor gas car diving masses.
EV's can only disrupt a very delicate funding balance of how infrastructure is funded. Do we really want to go the way California has? Incase you were sleeping in class that day they are moving to a system where your electric rates are based on your income. No more natural gas in new homes. No more natural gas appliances.. Oh boy.. What can possibly go wrong?
Maybe China can redevelop our infrastructure this time. We are buying the windmills and solar panels, so they kind of are now.
I would DEFINATLY buy the last wave of naturally asperated V8 pickups and 4 cylinder cars while you can and avoiding the turbocharged vehicles that wont last as long as a EV. Thank me later (10-15 yrs from now).. Turbo charged motors are made purely to get MPG ratings. No where in the debate of these regulations do I see the energy costs of rebuilding cars that don't last as long as they could, or the energy cost of mining the batteries or what the F to do with the dead ones.
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For example I pay $130 a year to the state to make up for their lost gas tax revenue.
But in an average persons year of driving I'd save roughly $2000 in gas I didn't buy...not to mention the car itself was cheaper than the comparable gas one I compared it to when I bought it (a 3rd gen Lexus IS350) and cheaper to maintain too.
.... what?
You were kinda doing a Greatest HIts of Already Debunked Anti-EV FUD until that bit of word salad...
I mean, you MIGHT. Just like you MIGHT blow your gasoline engine or transmission before 150k miles.
But you're far more likely to have the battery outlast the life of the vehicle-- given we've got 10+ years of data from Tesla and even their oldest-tech batteries still retain over 80% of their original charge after 200,000 miles.... and the current cars are several generations newer/better batteries, cooling, and management.
This is a non-refundable tax credit--- which means you don't get a PENNY of "someone elses" tax money toward your EV.
You simply get to keep more of YOUR OWN money when you figure out your taxes.
This is completely wrong on multiple levels.
1) It's not a rebate. It's a non-refundable tax credit.
2) It doesn't require not taking the standard deduction.
I'm not sure whose FUD PLAYBOOK you borrowed but it's got a lot of bad info in it my dude.
All charging stations are not equal. They are able to charge a market rate but in a fairly unregulated industry. You don't see rates posted on the highway. You don't know how long it will charge your type of car. Many of the enticements are "free" charging only at certain places and certain brands for a certain length of time.
Ok sounds good but when folks are waiting in line for hours at the charging station, only able to pay with credit/debit cards, is not a future I would be happy with. Folks are going to push the distance on these things and are going to be stranded. Tow trucks that can recharge are going to be in high demand. Just look at how many run out of fuel on the highways now. This year just 6% of cars sold are EV's and it took 5yrs to get there. This is a fad. Time will shake this out as the biggest white elephant ever perpetrated to the world.
"FUD play book?" I am not sure but I think you are trying to insult me and I take offense to that. I only point out my concerns. I'm aware of the "Feeling" you are doing something for the environment and that kind of tunnel vision thinking is not conducive to a rational discussion of real options.
Are we going to start "canceling" folks who see the folly of the Couse we are on? Resorting to name calling is a pretty low bar, but is a well tested way to obfuscate facts.
We get inferior cars due to CAFE. Not the best cars that can possibly made, just the best car a maker can sell to fit into the CAFE formula. When you specify something like 50mpg, you are forcing the sale of a bunch of EV's to continue to offer the vehicles consumers want. Oh yea 50mpg as a consumer sounds good.. but without a chemistry and physics background you would not understand this is the way to mandate EVs in the future. There is a finite amount of chemical energy in a gallon of gas. There are also immutable wind resistance effecting how much energy it takes to go 70mph.
These "turbo" motors reduce weight of the car. The turbo bumps the HP of a 2.7l v6 Silverado hp over its longtime 350ci processor but at what cost? Durability. We try to keep things out of the trash because it does damage to our pocket books and mother earth for every ton of steel or pound of lithium. Durability should be a very high priority, but that would sell less cars, so who is the EPA helping again? We need cars and trucks to last and be dependable not continually replicable.
There plenty of vids about that new Ford EV. truck They fail miserably when pulling a heavy boat or trailers. Range is less than 150 miles on some of the vids I have seen.
One mans tax break is another mans tax cheater. Yes you do NOT, can not, make use of the fed tax break unless you are itemizing your deductions. You can however lease one and the lease company can use the $7k off the top of the lease payments. I don't know of a more accurate way of putting it. You do not get a extra $7k on your return if you already do not pay federal tax. In order to make use of this you would need about $70k gross income. The median income of America is about $31k. It is a tax break for the rich to get some K-Kool tech.
I wish we did not have this madness of a GOVT hell bent on control of everything. It makes me and a lot of others scratching our heads.. just who is getting ahead at the cost of others. If this was SUTCH a no brainer for the poor huddled masses, why not give them away when you trade in a clunker and charge full price to the others? Or a Obama care care program. I think If you gross more than $70k, you don't need the subsidy. Give them away to the poor, don't subsidize the rich.
I know I speak Tung and cheek. I Support a flat tax so you don't have one side pitted against the other. We don't need more lobbyists trying to spend money we don't have and take real money out of the economy. I support A flat tax so when they spend/give away public largess it effects everyone equally. I support A flat tax for stability for future investments or better yet savings at you local hometown bank. A flat tax wont need 80k new IRS employees. A flat tax would get everyone to appreciate just how large of a govt we now have. Its easy to call for others to pay more, harder for you to commit to pay more.
As far as the deal goes, I never thought Elon could get it down this cheap. With the help of the GOVT, he has found a way for the GOVT directly / indirectly pay him and make big bucks. But wait.. Thought we don't want to subsidize the rich, but yet we do.. I cant blame you for wanting one. I wish I could get one as a second car, but then again I would use that $30K After GOVT kickbacks on some thing else.
"There is no Free Lunch". Most of us were taught that in econ 101, but public schools have failed us so badly the electorate is now second class worker bees swayed by rhetoric and emotions. Removed from the burdensome ability to think critically on their own, with out being told what to think and how to speak.. If the Govt Tax code prefers your neighbors "choices" but do the same job, and live in the same neighborhood, and the GOVT needs x amount to run, your neighbor is a tax cheat. you and others are paying his share.
For $30k or about, I would still take a Camry for ease of use, durability, and because my nose was not pushed in to it like a covid shot. I would like one with a 1.8 naturally asperated 5 speed manual, or the 5 or 6 speed auto transmission. Nothing fancy to go wrong later. 40 or so mpg. I will have heat in the winter ac in the summer. If there is a black or the now more common brown out, I wont care. I wont have to worry my garage will catch fire while charging. I can travel anywhere with out planning recharge intervals and locations.
Yea I could see a EV be useful for short trips. I know those trips are the majority of trips. But I live in a State where weather can not only reduce battery power due to the cold, but travel time can go way longer in extrema weather. The whole time you will need headlights and heater to keep the snow/ice off the windshield. What are we to do, buy 2 cars? one for the grocery store and one for across town? A lot of is are not in urban areas. A lot of us are separated buy 30 miles or much much more from town to town in rural America.
EV battery tech is all over the place. Constantly changing the build and components. Charging ports are not all the same. Some where down the development line will have to attempt to come up with a CVT to better make use of the torque a electric motor has to INCREASE range. Those of use who have followed CVT transmissions know it is not as good and durable as conventional transmission. The EV is still in its infancy.
To insinuate I know nothing and am simply spouting of some contrived talking points because I am some big oil shill is reticules and again is a open insult.. Why cant a point be refuted with out the derogatory remark? If you are taking flack you are over the target.
A quick chat will google tells me there are 285 million cars in the USA of that just just 1.7 to 2.5 million are EVs. We obviously can not replace 285 million cars with EV's with the existing grid. Just saying or dreaming it does not make it so.
That means 285 million cars are covering the road taxes for 2 million rich EV users with only more being influenced by the idea they will get tax breaks and no longer need to pay road taxes... But for how long? A tipping point will come. Laws will be rewritten and I can say for certainty they wont bel less. I guess we submit to geotag tracking to determine your road use? A separate meter to charge you car charging rates of electricity? You know it cant last forever and when they feel the time is right, we all pay more.
There is nothing magic about battery electric cars. There are a myriad of losses down the grid, but electricity is still generated from Co2 fuels.
About 32% of all electricity comes from Natural Gas. 28% petroleum, 18% coal. Just 13% comes from all renewables (including hydro I guess) , and 9% Nukes.
We are still powering our cars. We either use electracy or Gas. Both can use reusable energy. Gasoline blends in 10 to 85% corn ethanol. That seems to be a bit more of a renewable fuel in some folks minds
EV's weigh about 50% more than gas because of the batteries. That requires more energy. You are pushing around a car that weighs 50% more, with electricity that is over 75% created by gas/oil/coal. You push that electricity through high tension wires across long distances to accomplish what? A centralized power distribution center? Who is for that? Why? Diversity is our strength when it comes to energy.
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Why do you fear for people paying vastly less to fuel their vehicles than gasoline car owners?
Unless you work like 100 miles from home this is complete nonsense.
It has already changed in many states and does basically nothing to the economy side of the equation.
For example I pay $130 a year to the state to make up for their lost gas tax revenue.
But in an average persons year of driving I'd save roughly $2000 in gas I didn't buy...not to mention the car itself was cheaper than the comparable gas one I compared it to when I bought it (a 3rd gen Lexus IS350) and cheaper to maintain too.
Indeed it is!
.... what?
You were kinda doing a Greatest HIts of Already Debunked Anti-EV FUD until that bit of word salad...
Ah, back to the Fuds Greatest Hits now!
I mean, you MIGHT. Just like you MIGHT blow your gasoline engine or transmission before 150k miles.
But you're far more likely to have the battery outlast the life of the vehicle-- given we've got 10+ years of data from Tesla and even their oldest-tech batteries still retain over 80% of their original charge after 200,000 miles.... and the current cars are several generations newer/better batteries, cooling, and management.
Then you must be REALLY mad at the trillions in credits and subsidies gasoline companies have been getting for generations--- right? Or GMs bailout?
They really aren't.
This is a non-refundable tax credit--- which means you don't get a PENNY of "someone elses" tax money toward your EV.
You simply get to keep more of YOUR OWN money when you figure out your taxes.
This is completely wrong on multiple levels.
1) It's not a rebate. It's a non-refundable tax credit.
2) It doesn't require not taking the standard deduction.
I'm not sure whose FUD PLAYBOOK you borrowed but it's got a lot of bad info in it my dude.
Since 1970 for example the government has spent more than it has taken in 49 out of those 53 years.
(and even in those 4 years they took in far less "extra" than they typically spend extra)
Being able to print your own money is kind of handy.
Why are you only mad at EVs?
Funny you mention California though.... Tesla just passed Toyota as the #1 sold brand in the state
https://electrek.co/2023/07/25/te...alifornia/
First- the vast majority of all EV charging is done at home.
Where you certainly know what the rate is, and how fast it charges.
Second, the most common public DC fast chargers are Teslas- where again the rates are known in advance, as are the charging speeds.
But such chargers are only really needed for the rare occasions you take a long road trip.
You're taking a long road trip and only carrying cash?
Are you Walter White?
Not to menton, this is slick deals-- we want to earn $ back on our spending-- which credit cards will do, and cash will not.
Range today is 2-3x what it was on the average EV 10 years ago--- and you didn't have people "stranded" then- let alone now.
Nobody gets surprised by running out of charge-- the car tells you how much you will have to your destination at the start, and most will even route you to any charging needed to complete the trip if it's so far you can't get there without it.
Thanks for making clear you've never used an EV though!
Yes. Lets.
Please cite some evidence and specifics.
....what?
https://cleantechnica.c
EVs are 16% of auto sales worldwide. (over 20% in California year to date since you mentioned CA)
And increasing rapidly.
Go google S-curve and let us know when you understand it.
You sound like the old dude shaking his cane about those "moving pictures" or these "cellular telephone things"
Naah-- -just calling you out for repeating, almost word for word, the same debunked nonsense other anti-EV folks have posted, years ago, and continued to be wrong about ever since.
It's more embarrassing when people post it now, since so much of it is so more obviously wrong today than years ago-- but you're not gonna let THAT stop you I see!
On the bright side it's a time saver for those debunking you since the replies are mostly just needing to cut and paste the last 50 times someone posted this same nonsense in an EV thread.
Hilariously though, this isn't even new for you... You've been FUDing about EVs since at least 2015 on here
Why indeed- given your claim is, in fact, a myth.
https://www.ucsusa.org/resources/...adle-grave
That's from the same year as your claim- 2015- debunking said claim
Not only do they have vastly fewer moving parts to fail, vastly fewer parts to maintain and change regularly.... but they also are almost entirely recyclable.
Why aren't you one of them?
Perhaps you're unaware towing isn't great for mileage in a gas truck either?
But that's ok-- since only a small minority of truck owners actually tow at all
This is a non-refundable tax credit not a deduction
Please stop trying to speak about topics you clearly do not understand.
https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f1040s3.pdf
That is the schedule you put your EV credit amount on (line 6f). Line 8 is the total of your non-refundable credits- including the EV credit.
That number is then entered on your 1040 on line 20 in the tax and credits section.
this section does not care if you itemized or not- itemizing happens in the income section on line 12
....what?
https://www.census.gov/library/pu...0-276.html
Obviously if YOU only make 31k you probably ought not be buying any new car.
You claim you're mad at the rich and you support the tax system that's the most regressively bad for poor people?
Weird.
TCO on this car is lower than the Camry too.
The rest will be along to it shortly.
....that's not how any of this works.
Electric motors don't need multi-speed transmissions at all because they have a flat torque curve from 0.... it's one of their great benefits.
Again PLEASE stop trying to talk about things you have 0 understanding of.
I'm not speculating WHY you keep posting nothing but debunked nonsense and flat out inaccurate and false claims.
I'm just pointing out you're doing so.
Not the "existing" grid--- but we don't need to.
We don't sell 285 million cars annually
We sell 15-20 million. And it'll be at least another few years before even half those sold annually are EVs.
And the grid can grow to that degree quite easily.
Here's an actual engineer who explains this in some detail with math and everything:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6F
This was debunked LAST post-- many states already have EV-specific annual registration fees to cover the lost fuel taxes. This is a SOLVED "problem"
We are still powering our cars. We either use electracy or Gas.
You DO understand it's vastly more efficient to create electricity at central plants with natural gas-- and power cars with them-- than to burn much dirtier gasoline, in far less efficient internal combustion engines....right?
I mean- probably not given your previous remarks suggest they're all the same when they clearly aren't but figured I'd ask.
1000% nonsense.
My Model 3 weights a bit over 10% more than the Lexus IS350 gasoline car it replaced, not REMOTELY near 50%.
Because you get to remove the ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION and a ton of other heavy parts to put the battery in.
And electric motors are vastly more efficient than internal combustion engines (the majority of fuel burned in most ICE vehicles is wasted on heat instead of actually moving the vehicle, only 20-40% typically is used for motion... whereas electric motors have tank to wheel efficiency in the roughly 90% range) it costs vastly less to fuel an EV, less to maintain, is much higher performance, and thanks to the low center of gravity of the battery it handles better too.
All charging stations are not equal. They are able to charge a market rate but in a fairly unregulated industry. You don't see rates posted on the highway. You don't know how long it will charge your type of car. Many of the enticements are "free" charging only at certain places and certain brands for a certain length of time.
Ok sounds good but when folks are waiting in line for hours at the charging station, only able to pay with credit/debit cards, is not a future I would be happy with. Folks are going to push the distance on these things and are going to be stranded. Tow trucks that can recharge are going to be in high demand. Just look at how many run out of fuel on the highways now. This year just 6% of cars sold are EV's and it took 5yrs to get there. This is a fad. Time will shake this out as the biggest white elephant ever perpetrated to the world.
"FUD play book?" I am not sure but I think you are trying to insult me and I take offense to that. I only point out my concerns. I'm aware of the "Feeling" you are doing something for the environment and that kind of tunnel vision thinking is not conducive to a rational discussion of real options.
Are we going to start "canceling" folks who see the folly of the Couse we are on? Resorting to name calling is a pretty low bar, but is a well tested way to obfuscate facts.
We get inferior cars due to CAFE. Not the best cars that can possibly made, just the best car a maker can sell to fit into the CAFE formula. When you specify something like 50mpg, you are forcing the sale of a bunch of EV's to continue to offer the vehicles consumers want. Oh yea 50mpg as a consumer sounds good.. but without a chemistry and physics background you would not understand this is the way to mandate EVs in the future. There is a finite amount of chemical energy in a gallon of gas. There are also immutable wind resistance effecting how much energy it takes to go 70mph.
These "turbo" motors reduce weight of the car. The turbo bumps the HP of a 2.7l v6 Silverado hp over its longtime 350ci processor but at what cost? Durability. We try to keep things out of the trash because it does damage to our pocket books and mother earth for every ton of steel or pound of lithium. Durability should be a very high priority, but that would sell less cars, so who is the EPA helping again? We need cars and trucks to last and be dependable not continually replicable.
There plenty of vids about that new Ford EV. truck They fail miserably when pulling a heavy boat or trailers. Range is less than 150 miles on some of the vids I have seen.
One mans tax break is another mans tax cheater. Yes you do NOT, can not, make use of the fed tax break unless you are itemizing your deductions. You can however lease one and the lease company can use the $7k off the top of the lease payments. I don't know of a more accurate way of putting it. You do not get a extra $7k on your return if you already do not pay federal tax. In order to make use of this you would need about $70k gross income. The median income of America is about $31k. It is a tax break for the rich to get some K-Kool tech.
I wish we did not have this madness of a GOVT hell bent on control of everything. It makes me and a lot of others scratching our heads.. just who is getting ahead at the cost of others. If this was SUTCH a no brainer for the poor huddled masses, why not give them away when you trade in a clunker and charge full price to the others? Or a Obama care care program. I think If you gross more than $70k, you don't need the subsidy. Give them away to the poor, don't subsidize the rich.
I know I speak Tung and cheek. I Support a flat tax so you don't have one side pitted against the other. We don't need more lobbyists trying to spend money we don't have and take real money out of the economy. I support A flat tax so when they spend/give away public largess it effects everyone equally. I support A flat tax for stability for future investments or better yet savings at you local hometown bank. A flat tax wont need 80k new IRS employees. A flat tax would get everyone to appreciate just how large of a govt we now have. Its easy to call for others to pay more, harder for you to commit to pay more.
As far as the deal goes, I never thought Elon could get it down this cheap. With the help of the GOVT, he has found a way for the GOVT directly / indirectly pay him and make big bucks. But wait.. Thought we don't want to subsidize the rich, but yet we do.. I cant blame you for wanting one. I wish I could get one as a second car, but then again I would use that $30K After GOVT kickbacks on some thing else.
"There is no Free Lunch". Most of us were taught that in econ 101, but public schools have failed us so badly the electorate is now second class worker bees swayed by rhetoric and emotions. Removed from the burdensome ability to think critically on their own, with out being told what to think and how to speak.. If the Govt Tax code prefers your neighbors "choices" but do the same job, and live in the same neighborhood, and the GOVT needs x amount to run, your neighbor is a tax cheat. you and others are paying his share.
For $30k or about, I would still take a Camry for ease of use, durability, and because my nose was not pushed in to it like a covid shot. I would like one with a 1.8 naturally asperated 5 speed manual, or the 5 or 6 speed auto transmission. Nothing fancy to go wrong later. 40 or so mpg. I will have heat in the winter ac in the summer. If there is a black or the now more common brown out, I wont care. I wont have to worry my garage will catch fire while charging. I can travel anywhere with out planning recharge intervals and locations.
Yea I could see a EV be useful for short trips. I know those trips are the majority of trips. But I live in a State where weather can not only reduce battery power due to the cold, but travel time can go way longer in extrema weather. The whole time you will need headlights and heater to keep the snow/ice off the windshield. What are we to do, buy 2 cars? one for the grocery store and one for across town? A lot of is are not in urban areas. A lot of us are separated buy 30 miles or much much more from town to town in rural America.
EV battery tech is all over the place. Constantly changing the build and components. Charging ports are not all the same. Some where down the development line will have to attempt to come up with a CVT to better make use of the torque a electric motor has to INCREASE range. Those of use who have followed CVT transmissions know it is not as good and durable as conventional transmission. The EV is still in its infancy.
To insinuate I know nothing and am simply spouting of some contrived talking points because I am some big oil shill is reticules and again is a open insult.. Why cant a point be refuted with out the derogatory remark? If you are taking flack you are over the target.
A quick chat will google tells me there are 285 million cars in the USA of that just just 1.7 to 2.5 million are EVs. We obviously can not replace 285 million cars with EV's with the existing grid. Just saying or dreaming it does not make it so.
That means 285 million cars are covering the road taxes for 2 million rich EV users with only more being influenced by the idea they will get tax breaks and no longer need to pay road taxes... But for how long? A tipping point will come. Laws will be rewritten and I can say for certainty they wont bel less. I guess we submit to geotag tracking to determine your road use? A separate meter to charge you car charging rates of electricity? You know it cant last forever and when they feel the time is right, we all pay more.
There is nothing magic about battery electric cars. There are a myriad of losses down the grid, but electricity is still generated from Co2 fuels.
About 32% of all electricity comes from Natural Gas. 28% petroleum, 18% coal. Just 13% comes from all renewables (including hydro I guess) , and 9% Nukes.
We are still powering our cars. We either use electracy or Gas. Both can use reusable energy. Gasoline blends in 10 to 85% corn ethanol. That seems to be a bit more of a renewable fuel in some folks minds
EV's weigh about 50% more than gas because of the batteries. That requires more energy. You are pushing around a car that weighs 50% more, with electricity that is over 75% created by gas/oil/coal. You push that electricity through high tension wires across long distances to accomplish what? A centralized power distribution center? Who is for that? Why? Diversity is our strength when it comes to energy.
#1: The processing and distribution of crude oil into refined gasoline at the pump is far more environmentally taxing and expensive than generating electricity.
#2: Oil and gasoline cars have been getting subsidized for decades.
#3: Electric motor is over twice as efficient as a combustion engine which makes your weight calculations negligible.
#4: Electric cars will continue to get more efficient while combustion engines will continue to rise in costs.
#5 0 emissions for day to day operation.
https://www.reuters.com/investiga...lEC
They don't need one- the cars sell themselves and folks who actually drive em are happy to mention it when it comes up.
https://cleantechnica.c
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