Yeah I got this when it came around last time for $85. It is actually pretty good. Some thoughts:
No heated bed -- this means you can only print PLA and bed adhesion is sometimes an issue -- you will want to print rafts or use a gluestick
Line the bed with blue painter's tape -- it comes with masking tape but only two pieces
It is small but you can print most things on it 100x100x110 is like a 4 inch cube
It is a rebranded Weedo TINA2 -- you can flash that firmware on it without an issue
You want to get a spool holder (like those stands with rollers on them) because the spool holder is pathetic
When you get a spool of filament -- DO NOT LET THE LOOSE END FREE it will spin around and tangle up. Hold the end or stick it in the side or tape it or something if it is not in the extrude -- trust me on this
The bed auto-level is pretty awesome
It is pretty much plug-and-play -- get some STL files on thingverse and slice them with the included cura software and put it on the SD card and print -- easy peasy
Used BIG30 and added 3 kg filament and it came out to $100 total, $63 for the printer, $7 shipping and $10 per kg of filament
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Is this a good "starter" 3D printer? Never used one before but would like to tinker around. Kids are interested in this as well. At this price point, is it so limited in usefulness to not be a good idea?
Is this a good "starter" 3D printer? Never used one before but would like to tinker around. Kids are interested in this as well. At this price point, is it so limited in usefulness to not be a good idea?
If you want to print things that fit inside a 3" cube, then sure.
I think you'll find the size quite limiting, though. $150 gets you a Joule kit. You can spend time building it with the kids and then print things that fit inside a 6" cube. There's probably way more awesome things you can think to print on that. Plus you get family time that might be priceless.
The MP10 does 300mm x 300mm so it's even bigger. That's like $210 but its out of stock. That's probably the sweet spot with MP 3D printers but I've never looked too closely at them. I just think this Cadet is something you'd likely outgrow real fast.
Is this a good "starter" 3D printer? Never used one before but would like to tinker around. Kids are interested in this as well. At this price point, is it so limited in usefulness to not be a good idea?
Yes it is a good starter, no it is not that limited. You can print PLA fine and the size limit is about 4" cubed. I made this ender dragon for my 7 year old nephew and he loved it:
I scaled it down 50% and it printed fine -- make sure you arrange the parts to be flat on the bed. It is super easy. Make sure you get some blue painters tape and line the bed with it and use the glue stick on it. Get a spool holder and 1kg of PLA filament -- the stuff you get with it is barely enough for two prints.
Is this a good "starter" 3D printer? Never used one before but would like to tinker around. Kids are interested in this as well. At this price point, is it so limited in usefulness to not be a good idea?
So hard to tell, but admit, I learned the most about 3D printing from buying a garbage printer. You have to start somewhere, and not sure you will find a printer much cheaper. Word of warning, if you end up liking 3D printing (and guessing you will) plan on opening the wallet for something from Prusa or Bambu. Although Bambu has one right now for $599. I know that sounds expensive, but not for what it is.
So hard to tell, but admit, I learned the most about 3D printing from buying a garbage printer. You have to start somewhere, and not sure you will find a printer much cheaper. Word of warning, if you end up liking 3D printing (and guessing you will) plan on opening the wallet for something from Prusa or Bambu. Although Bambu has one right now for $599. I know that sounds expensive, but not for what it is.
Ive got an Ender 3 S1 pro that I bought from here a few months ago. What can the bambu do that the ender cant? (besides a massive speed upgrade?)
Im also just getting into this and the ender is good for me right now I think.
In hindsight, maybe buying something this cheap to learn the basics, and then after seeing if you like the hobby spending more on a bambu is the best path for beginners.
Ive got an Ender 3 S1 pro that I bought from here a few months ago. What can the bambu do that the ender cant? (besides a massive speed upgrade?)
Im also just getting into this and the ender is good for me right now I think.
In hindsight, maybe buying something this cheap to learn the basics, and then after seeing if you like the hobby spending more on a bambu is the best path for beginners.
I hear good things about that Ender, so nothing wrong with going that route. I have never owned a Creatlity product before although I almost bought a resin printer from them. Speed is going to be one of the big differences as you mentioned. The P1P, you can print an enclosure for it to help with filaments like ABS, there is a camera (edit:May be optimal), and the biggest thing is you can add an AMS unit. I hear the bed leveling on the P1P is some of the best you can get as well. I think the Creatlity might be better for learning as I believe it will require more tweaking and less being done by the printer itself, and that is how you learn. My junker of a Da Vinci printer is how I learned gcode, how to bed level manually, importance of your print surface, temps, etc. I have a Pursa MK3 and it is great, but my Bambu Lab X1 Carbon is way faster, prints much better, and has features like first layer lidar scanning and filament flow control, and most if not all printing issues have been user error. If it detects issues it will stop what it is doing and let you know. I came into the room with my Prusa being lifted in the air as it continued to try and print after a tangles spool wasn't allowing the filament to feed, I had the spool on a shelf above it. I would like the Prusa to have stopped printing. However, I did learn how tough Prusa's are as it is still a workhorse that is going strong. Enough of my rant. I really enjoy this hobby, so love to see people getting into it. I am not one of those "you must buy the brand I like" type of people, but buy what you can afford, and learn. Then decide if it is for you and start looking at better stuff.
Monoprice has lost me as a customer over this printer. I had ordered it at the previous $89.99 price after using coupon BIG30 (and paid shipping as it was not free at the time) and it arrived yesterday. Even though they have a 7-day price protection policy listed, they refuse to adjust the printer down to the new price after coupons, saying all coupon deals are excluded from their price protection policy, even though I can order the printer today for $15 less PLUS free shipping (I wasn't even asking for shipping to be refunded).
Can't believe they'd be willing to lose a customer over $15, but that's where it's ending up. I'm even going to RMA the printer out of principle (and probably eat the $15+ return shipping cost). They have always been my go to company for cheap cables and so on, but their customer service has gone downhill.
Why do you need a heated bed? What's the cheapest printer with heated bed?
Different types of plastic shrink at a different rate as they get colder (everything shrinks as it gets colder, but plastic does noticeably). PLA does not shrink very much at all so you don't need a heated bed (nice to have, but not necessary), but some filaments shrink a decent amount when cool. Since the 3D printer makes things by layering thin lines of plastic on top of one another, then when there are a bunch of layers underneath that the rest of the piece is built on top of and they start shrinking while the top parts are still hot then it shrinking layers pull on the layers above them and it warps the piece and might pop parts off the bed. If the piece is not stuck to the bed then the new layer doesn't have anything to stick to and it just falls into a pile of spaghetti. Having a heated bed (and an enclosed printer) allows the entire piece to be printed and then cool down gradually at the same-ish rate so that this doesn't happen.
Different types of plastic shrink at a different rate as they get colder (everything shrinks as it gets colder, but plastic does noticeably). PLA does not shrink very much at all so you don't need a heated bed (nice to have, but not necessary), but some filaments shrink a decent amount when cool. Since the 3D printer makes things by layering thin lines of plastic on top of one another, then when there are a bunch of layers underneath that the rest of the piece is built on top of and they start shrinking while the top parts are still hot then it shrinking layers pull on the layers above them and it warps the piece and might pop parts off the bed. If the piece is not stuck to the bed then the new layer doesn't have anything to stick to and it just falls into a pile of spaghetti. Having a heated bed (and an enclosed printer) allows the entire piece to be printed and then cool down gradually at the same-ish rate so that this doesn't happen.
Thanks Happy.
I hear a lot of 3d printers need to be tinkered with to get right. Can I really use this out of the box?
Why do you need a heated bed? What's the cheapest printer with heated bed?
Ender 3 is very common and pretty cheap, usually down to $99 at Microcenter in store. It's got a good size build plate, 220x220mm printable area, up to 250mm tall. The base model has some pretty required upgrades (bed springs, metal extruder, capricorn bowden tube) but you're talking less than $20 for those in a couple days from Amazon even. Parts are even cheaper at sites like Aliexpress. Figure another $20-40 for a bed probe, CR touch is best and most expensive but the BL touch can be had for cheaper. You could spend another $20 for a PEI bed to have excellent adhesion but the glass works for a lot of people especially with a bed probe. It's a great experience to learn on and know if the hobby is for you, that's how thousands of us started.
I hear a lot of 3d printers need to be tinkered with to get right. Can I really use this out of the box?
I never 3D printed anything before and I got one and printed a little cat statue from thingverse within a couple hours of taking it out of the box. So unless you are much stupider than me (probably not) or it arrives broken, you can do it.
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No heated bed -- this means you can only print PLA and bed adhesion is sometimes an issue -- you will want to print rafts or use a gluestick
Line the bed with blue painter's tape -- it comes with masking tape but only two pieces
It is small but you can print most things on it 100x100x110 is like a 4 inch cube
It is a rebranded Weedo TINA2 -- you can flash that firmware on it without an issue
You want to get a spool holder (like those stands with rollers on them) because the spool holder is pathetic
When you get a spool of filament -- DO NOT LET THE LOOSE END FREE it will spin around and tangle up. Hold the end or stick it in the side or tape it or something if it is not in the extrude -- trust me on this
The bed auto-level is pretty awesome
It is pretty much plug-and-play -- get some STL files on thingverse and slice them with the included cura software and put it on the SD card and print -- easy peasy
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I think you'll find the size quite limiting, though. $150 gets you a Joule kit. You can spend time building it with the kids and then print things that fit inside a 6" cube. There's probably way more awesome things you can think to print on that. Plus you get family time that might be priceless.
The MP10 does 300mm x 300mm so it's even bigger. That's like $210 but its out of stock. That's probably the sweet spot with MP 3D printers but I've never looked too closely at them. I just think this Cadet is something you'd likely outgrow real fast.
I noticed that too and someone mentioned it's about a 4 inch cube, so they probably forgot the decimals. It's most likely 3.9 x 4.1 x 3.9 inches.
* https://www.thingiverse
I scaled it down 50% and it printed fine -- make sure you arrange the parts to be flat on the bed. It is super easy. Make sure you get some blue painters tape and line the bed with it and use the glue stick on it. Get a spool holder and 1kg of PLA filament -- the stuff you get with it is barely enough for two prints.
Im also just getting into this and the ender is good for me right now I think.
In hindsight, maybe buying something this cheap to learn the basics, and then after seeing if you like the hobby spending more on a bambu is the best path for beginners.
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What are the rules for BIG30?
Im also just getting into this and the ender is good for me right now I think.
In hindsight, maybe buying something this cheap to learn the basics, and then after seeing if you like the hobby spending more on a bambu is the best path for beginners.
Can't believe they'd be willing to lose a customer over $15, but that's where it's ending up. I'm even going to RMA the printer out of principle (and probably eat the $15+ return shipping cost). They have always been my go to company for cheap cables and so on, but their customer service has gone downhill.
I hear a lot of 3d printers need to be tinkered with to get right. Can I really use this out of the box?
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I hear a lot of 3d printers need to be tinkered with to get right. Can I really use this out of the box?