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expiredmagic1 posted Aug 30, 2023 10:42 AM
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Western Digital WD_BLACK 3.5" Gaming Hard Drive: 10TB HDD (256MB cache) $176.27 + Free Shipping

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Aug 30, 2023 11:01 AM
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lukem5Aug 30, 2023 11:01 AM
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lol imagine putting games on anything rather than an nvme now.
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Aug 30, 2023 11:03 PM
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GeneAug 30, 2023 11:03 PM
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Quote from lukem5 :
lol imagine putting games on anything rather than an nvme now.
Most games don't require a lot of performance to load and run quickly. Paying the premium for NVME when it isn't needed would be silly.
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Aug 31, 2023 12:16 PM
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DougD8319Aug 31, 2023 12:16 PM
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Quote from Gene :
Most games don't require a lot of performance to load and run quickly. Paying the premium for NVME when it isn't needed would be silly.
As a gamer and somebody with 20+ years of IT experience, this is a false statement. I have specifically tried to run games off HDD vs SSD (including regular sata and nvme) with highly noticeable results. Best use cases for experience = NAS for storage (or simply a basic machine with slow but large HDD as a file share) and NVME exclusively on your primary machine. The price of NVME is so cheap now that it would be crazy to play games, or operate nearly any software on a daily driver off of anything else.
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Aug 31, 2023 12:31 PM
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teshdorAug 31, 2023 12:31 PM
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Quote from lukem5 :
lol imagine putting games on anything rather than an nvme now.
NVMe is just the name of the interface. I think you meant to say "rather than a NVMe SSD". This item posted is a mechanical spinning HDD as opposed to the solid state disk (SSD).
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Aug 31, 2023 03:15 PM
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pecosdaveAug 31, 2023 03:15 PM
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Quote from DougD8319 :
As a gamer and somebody with 20+ years of IT experience, this is a false statement. I have specifically tried to run games off HDD vs SSD (including regular sata and nvme) with highly noticeable results. Best use cases for experience = NAS for storage (or simply a basic machine with slow but large HDD as a file share) and NVME exclusively on your primary machine. The price of NVME is so cheap now that it would be crazy to play games, or operate nearly any software on a daily driver off of anything else.
I've been in I.T. since 1996 and I do not fully agree with you.

As an I.T. guy you should know that when an SSD fails it usually doesn't give much warning - sometimes a little, but it tends to just die, while an HDD will limp along long term half-assed working where you can pull your data off.

It's a great idea to put your most frequently run software and modern AAA titles on NVME's, I agree, however if you're playing classic titles - espeically in emulators there's little to no measurable advantage to using an NVME drive. I personally like to play modern titles that would have no NVME advantage, the Shantae games, Giana Sisters, Torchlight 3, all modern, no advantage with an NVME. Emulated games, even the best of the arcade games, no advantage with an NVME, in fact the price per TB makes this WD Black drive more appealing.

So say you're not like me and all you do is play modern AAA games that WILL have a measurable improvement played from an NVME versus a spinner. This spinner is STILL worth putting in your machine. Assume the average user has little to no interest in running a NAS.

Download FreeFileSync - very user friendly and scriptable - or, since I'm not a Windows user I forget about shadow-copy, etc... Dedicate this drive to shadow copy or as a backup target drive for those will die without notice NVME drives and still have something useful.

In my personal machine / is an NVME /home/dave is a SATA SSD, /games is an NVME, and /games/cache is a spinner - that where Lutris puts all of the files it downloads before I install them. I have some more drives that aren't relevant to the discussion, but I have room for everything.
Aug 31, 2023 08:15 PM
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MaZxAug 31, 2023 08:15 PM
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Ahh love it when people throw in their expertise of X many years and experience in this and that. Let's just say this HDD works for those who needs it and SSD is fast for those who wants it. I have few HDD from 2011 and they are still functioning well and for SSD gotta wait and see. Get back to you in 10+ years folks.
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Aug 31, 2023 08:59 PM
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DougD8319Aug 31, 2023 08:59 PM
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Quote from pecosdave :
I've been in I.T. since 1996 and I do not fully agree with you.

As an I.T. guy you should know that when an SSD fails it usually doesn't give much warning - sometimes a little, but it tends to just die, while an HDD will limp along long term half-assed working where you can pull your data off.

It's a great idea to put your most frequently run software and modern AAA titles on NVME's, I agree, however if you're playing classic titles - espeically in emulators there's little to no measurable advantage to using an NVME drive. I personally like to play modern titles that would have no NVME advantage, the Shantae games, Giana Sisters, Torchlight 3, all modern, no advantage with an NVME. Emulated games, even the best of the arcade games, no advantage with an NVME, in fact the price per TB makes this WD Black drive more appealing.

So say you're not like me and all you do is play modern AAA games that WILL have a measurable improvement played from an NVME versus a spinner. This spinner is STILL worth putting in your machine. Assume the average user has little to no interest in running a NAS.

Download FreeFileSync - very user friendly and scriptable - or, since I'm not a Windows user I forget about shadow-copy, etc... Dedicate this drive to shadow copy or as a backup target drive for those will die without notice NVME drives and still have something useful.

In my personal machine / is an NVME /home/dave is a SATA SSD, /games is an NVME, and /games/cache is a spinner - that where Lutris puts all of the files it downloads before I install them. I have some more drives that aren't relevant to the discussion, but I have room for everything.
You do you. I can't fathom buying a regular HDD for emulator/legacy games which will take up next to no real storage to save the megabytes of space on a m2 ssd. It just seems so tedious for a daily driver.

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Sep 01, 2023 01:54 PM
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pecosdaveSep 01, 2023 01:54 PM
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Quote from DougD8319 :
You do you. I can't fathom buying a regular HDD for emulator/legacy games which will take up next to no real storage to save the megabytes of space on a m2 ssd. It just seems so tedious for a daily driver.
Not all legacy games are small.

ISO games tend to add up.
Sep 01, 2023 01:57 PM
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pecosdaveSep 01, 2023 01:57 PM
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Quote from DougD8319 :
You do you. I can't fathom buying a regular HDD for emulator/legacy games which will take up next to no real storage to save the megabytes of space on a m2 ssd. It just seems so tedious for a daily driver.
You also make it sound like there's some sort of physical effort going into this stationary desktop running a spinning drive. Mines got about four spinners, two NVMEs and two or three SATA SSDs, seriously, it takes so little effort I can't always remember what's in those swappable drive bays unless I go look or need a particular drive.

FYI - if you do specific testing and work with VMs, keeping VMs you don't need always on removable drive trays is a wonderful way to deal with them.

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