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expiredAdmiralAsshat posted Aug 30, 2023 05:14 PM
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Best Buy - Samsung Galaxy 13.3" 4K Ultra HD Touch-Screen Chromebook - Intel Core i5 - 8GB Memory - 256GB SSD - $499

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Screen Size - 13.3 inches
Screen Resolution - 3840 x 2160 (4K)
Touch Screen -Yes
Processor Model -Intel 10th Generation Core i5
Processor Model Number - 10210U
CPU Base Clock Frequency - 1.6 gigahertz
Storage Type - SSD
Total Storage Capacity - 256 gigabytes
Solid State Drive Capacity - 256 gigabytes
System Memory (RAM) - 8 gigabytes
Graphics - Intel UHD Graphics
Operating System - Chrome OS
Voice Assistant Built-in - Google Assistant
Works With - Google Assistant, SmartThings
Display Connector(s) - No external display connection
Battery Life (up to) - 8 hours
Battery Type - Lithium-ion
2-in-1 Design - Yes
Backlit Keyboard - Yes
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Key Specs
Screen Size - 13.3 inches
Screen Resolution - 3840 x 2160 (4K)
Touch Screen -Yes
Processor Model -Intel 10th Generation Core i5
Processor Model Number - 10210U
CPU Base Clock Frequency - 1.6 gigahertz
Storage Type - SSD
Total Storage Capacity - 256 gigabytes
Solid State Drive Capacity - 256 gigabytes
System Memory (RAM) - 8 gigabytes
Graphics - Intel UHD Graphics
Operating System - Chrome OS
Voice Assistant Built-in - Google Assistant
Works With - Google Assistant, SmartThings
Display Connector(s) - No external display connection
Battery Life (up to) - 8 hours
Battery Type - Lithium-ion
2-in-1 Design - Yes
Backlit Keyboard - Yes

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Model: SAMSUNG 13.3" Galaxy Chromebook Laptop Computer w/ 256GB Storage, 8GB RAM, 4K AMOLED Touchscreen Display, HD Intel Core I-5 Processor, Ultra Slim, US Warranty, Fiesta Red

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Aug 30, 2023 05:19 PM
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TurncoatinAug 30, 2023 05:19 PM
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Do not buy this. Sure the screen is nice, but I have never had more issues with any device in my life. The track pad WILL glitch out on you and become useless and click erratically for you. The hard drive will lose connection randomly and you'll need to open it up and press on it before booting. I bought for about this price two years ago and I've never regretted a purchase more.
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Aug 30, 2023 07:41 PM
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Aug 30, 2023 07:41 PM
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Best looking Chromebook ever. It's nearly 4 years old already and shocked they're still making these.

Bought one in 2020 for $349 through Sammy great sales back then.

Main drawback is short battery life (4 hours if you're lucky) and the lid is simply too thin = fragile..my screen developed hairline crack and was never dropped nor traveled with it. Must have been with a slight flex because that's how thin it is. Fortunately, it still worked and barely saw it.

Either way, ended up selling it a year later for same price I bought it for so nothing lost in the end.

It's almost 2024, and this nostalgia already. Useful? Sure, but would check Googles end of life for this model! Anything less than 3 years, and it's a hard pass even at 350..
Aug 31, 2023 12:13 PM
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Thomas911Aug 31, 2023 12:13 PM
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Also cannot recommend. Bought for $350 with trade in a few years ago. Premium looking and feeling, but screen flexes too easily so mine has a hairline fracture. You must use a hard shell case with this. Amazing screen but runs far too hot, so you won't be able to watch movies in bed. Trackpad glitches more than it works and I can't get Samsung to replace it.
Aug 31, 2023 12:23 PM
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Byron33Aug 31, 2023 12:23 PM
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I wouldn't recommend ANY ChromeBook in general since they all have an expiration date. After that, they become e-waste. You cannot use the computer after the expiration date, which should be a crime but, somehow, isn't.
Last edited by Byron33 August 31, 2023 at 05:25 AM.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:07 PM
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JoeO6032Aug 31, 2023 01:07 PM
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Quote from Byron33 :
I wouldn't recommend ANY ChromeBook in general since they all have an expiration date. After that, they become e-waste. You cannot use the computer after the expiration date, which should be a crime but, somehow, isn't.
Chromebooks have an Auto Update Expiration (AUE) of at least 8 years from when they are released. That means they will receive both functionality and security related updates automatically during that period of time. After that, you CAN STILL USE the Chromebook. It's just like having a PC today running Windows 7, sure you aren't getting updates anymore and there are security vulnerabilities, but you CAN still use it and many people do.
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Aug 31, 2023 01:32 PM
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ed1968Aug 31, 2023 01:32 PM
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Quote from Byron33 :
I wouldn't recommend ANY ChromeBook in general since they all have an expiration date. After that, they become e-waste. You cannot use the computer after the expiration date, which should be a crime but, somehow, isn't.
So after the expiration date, the Chromebook will no longer function?
Aug 31, 2023 01:35 PM
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Byron33Aug 31, 2023 01:35 PM
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Quote from JoeO6032 :
Chromebooks have an Auto Update Expiration (AUE) of at least 8 years from when they are released. That means they will receive both functionality and security related updates automatically during that period of time. After that, you CAN STILL USE the Chromebook. It's just like having a PC today running Windows 7, sure you aren't getting updates anymore and there are security vulnerabilities, but you CAN still use it and many people do.
https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal...e-dc93833b

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Low-price, easy-to-use Chromebooks were once a boon to cost-conscious schools. Educators say the simple laptops are no longer a good deal.

Models have shot up in price in the past four years. Constant repairs add to the cost. Google imposes expiration dates, even if the hardware still works. This year, Google ceases support for 13 models. Next year, 51 models will expire.

These surging costs are presenting a predicament for anyone who runs a school and wants to educate children. Some administrators say they are throwing precious funding at a product that just doesn't last long enough. Doubling the lifespan of Chromebooks could save public schools—and taxpayers—an estimated $1.8 billion, according to U.S. PIRG, a public-interest research group that analyzed Chromebook data.

Chromebooks have no second life. When they expire, they become e-waste. By contrast, Macs and PCs can run apps even after their native software is no longer supported. They can even be repurposed into Chromebook-like devices.

Death dates
During the pandemic, schools rushed to buy Chromebooks and other devices for remote learning. Chromebook sales slumped after in-person classes resumed.

In the second quarter of this year, shipments jumped again, prompted by a May 13 deadline for the federal government's Covid-19 emergency fund for schools and libraries, according to analytics firm Canalys.

Chromebooks released pre-2020 receive automatic monthly updates for about five years. Google extended the lifespan on newer models to up to eight years.

The clock starts ticking once the Chromebook goes on sale. By the time schools purchase Chromebooks, that time frame is shorter. That was the case for Frederick County Public Schools in Maryland. The district purchased Dell Chromebooks released in 2017 for the 2018/2019 school year—just four years before their June 2022 expiration date.

In addition, software for state testing often doesn't work on expired Chromebooks, explained Derry Lyons, technology director for Washington state's South Kitsap School District.

"Your home PC, you can stretch it," he said during a recorded January board meeting. "Chromebooks have a hard stop on them." Lyons added that thousands of the district's Chromebooks are set to expire in 2026. It will cost $2.8 million to replace them.

A Google spokesman said, "We've worked diligently with our hardware partners to increase the years of guaranteed support Chromebooks receive."

Forrest Smith, a ChromeOS product manager at Google, explained why expiration policies exist, saying they correspond to manufacturer support for hardware components inside the laptops. "These dates aren't arbitrary," he said.

Google must get laptop and components manufacturers to guarantee the hardware that runs ChromeOS can continue to perform, and test new features across supported models. Extending the lifespan is no trivial effort, Smith added.

Unfortunately, expiration dates often aren't advertised. Some schools are lured by "dirt cheap" Chromebooks sold by large retailers, said John Sowash, a Michigan-based consultant who offers technology training to educators around the country.

"These devices are discounted because they only have one to two years of updates remaining," he explained. A quick Amazon search showed two Acer models that expired in 2022 still available for purchase.

Chromebook buying tip: Always check the Auto Update Expiration date listed on Google's website.

Hidden costs
"We used to buy new MacBooks, then after four years, resell them for hundreds of dollars," said Jeannie Crowley, a former director of technology at Ethical Culture Fieldston School in the Bronx, New York. Chromebooks, she said, can actually cost money at the end of their life.

Crowley could sell bulk lots of Chromebooks mixed in with other Macs or PCs as scrap. No one bid on the Chromebook-only lots, so the school paid to haul away the e-waste.

And the cost of Chromebooks is going up.

Unlike a Mac or PC, Chromebooks generally don't come with software such as video-editing apps, so schools have to pay subscriptions for them. Much of this software is increasing in price. Then there are Google's administrative fees. In 2021, Google raised education-license pricing to $38 per device, up from $30.

Crowley, now the director of technology at Scarsdale Public Schools in New York, said the district spent more than $77,000 on licenses over the past four years and expects that number to jump when the current laptops expire.

Another strain is repairs. "When you drop a MacBook or PC, the metal tends to bend or dent. Our Chromebooks are lightweight and the plastic hardware cracks and breaks very easily," Crowley said. A replacement touch screen for one model costs $172, more than half its original cost, she said.

"For each school I've worked in, I have this image of piles of broken Chromebooks being the norm," said Crowley.

Seeking alternatives
Chromebooks are still the best choice for schools because they are easy to manage, said Eric Curts, a tech specialist with Stark County Educational Service Center in Ohio. "The amount of time and effort we put in to support a fleet of Windows, with the virus issues and the amount of updates," he said, "It was so, so much."

Old MacBooks and PC laptops can be turned into Chromebooks, which could address several of the concerns. Google freely offers ChromeOS Flex, which does the switch-over.

It is a lovely idea, but not a likely one. An estimated 72% of Chromebooks are sold to educational institutions, according to analytics firm IDC. Chromebook manufacturers will be hard-pressed to give up those sales.

A more realistic fix, according to Curts, could be Google's own plan to separate the Chromebook operating system and Chrome browser, so that at least the browser can continue to be updated. That could conceivably extend the life of a Chromebook. After all, a 14-year-old Mac can run the latest version of Chrome, but a six-year-old Chromebook can't. Google didn't say if or when it would make this software widely available.

If it does, schools might want to invest in protective cases—no software fix will make cheap Chromebooks any sturdier.

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Aug 31, 2023 01:48 PM
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JoeO6032Aug 31, 2023 01:48 PM
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Quote from ed1968 :
So after the expiration date, the Chromebook will no longer function?
It will function just fine. It just won't receive updates.
Aug 31, 2023 01:49 PM
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JoeO6032Aug 31, 2023 01:49 PM
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I appreciate the WSJ article, but my experience comes from managing a little over 2000 of these devices for a number of years.
Aug 31, 2023 04:17 PM
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jlsjimmijAug 31, 2023 04:17 PM
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Quote from ed1968 :
So after the expiration date, the Chromebook will no longer function?
It will absolutely still function. Just won't get updates. Like Joe mentioned, it's very similar to someone using a Windows 7 computer.
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Aug 31, 2023 06:52 PM
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Aug 31, 2023 06:52 PM
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Ironic school are "lured" to them? Oh really?! These are the institutions teaching our kids ? C'mon now.. if they didn't realiZe it, those in procurement who did not budget for it should be FIRED ASAP!

As for consumers, completely understandable and electronics should be mandated with an expiry date just like food has.
Aug 31, 2023 11:20 PM
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Byron33Aug 31, 2023 11:20 PM
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Quote from JoeO6032 :
I appreciate the WSJ article, but my experience comes from managing a little over 2000 of these devices for a number of years.
You both can't be right and Google hasn't responded to this article. I asked someone whose daughter used a ChromeBook at a Charter school and what he said mirrored the article; they just stop working.
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