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Model: TCL 65-Inch QM8 QLED 4K Smart Mini LED TV with Google TV (65QM850G, 2023 Model) Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, HDR Ultra, Game Accelerator up to 240Hz, Voice Remote, Works with Alexa, Streaming Television
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I guess that means they can't fix the Black crush killing certain scenes on this thing.
I really wanted to get it. I just paid the extra for OLED at this point.
Which OLED did you go with? I'm running into the issue of needing a replacement for my VERY bright living room and was considering this over my Sony OLED's
The TCL QM8 is a great TV overall. It's a fantastic gaming TV as it supports up to 4k @ 144Hz (with some caveats[rtings.com]), is compatible with every variable refresh rate (VRR) technology for nearly tear-free gaming, and its brightness is stellar in both SDR and HDR so all games look bright and vibrant. It also has incredibly low input lag in Game Mode. Its response time is also excellent, which is great for games but also for sports, as any fast-moving action is mostly blur-free. HDR content looks amazing on the TCL, as its HDR peak brightness is extremely high. The TV's contrast is excellent, so HDR movies look punchy and vivid in a dark room. Unfortunately, the TV's viewing angle is disappointing, so it's not great for watching sports and TV shows with many people sitting around it, and it has poor sharpness processing when upscaling content, so it looks its best when watching high-resolution sources.
The TCL QM8 is a great TV overall. It's a fantastic gaming TV as it supports up to 4k @ 144Hz (with some caveats[rtings.com]), is compatible with every variable refresh rate (VRR) technology for nearly tear-free gaming, and its brightness is stellar in both SDR and HDR so all games look bright and vibrant. It also has incredibly low input lag in Game Mode. Its response time is also excellent, which is great for games but also for sports, as any fast-moving action is mostly blur-free. HDR content looks amazing on the TCL, as its HDR peak brightness is extremely high. The TV's contrast is excellent, so HDR movies look punchy and vivid in a dark room. Unfortunately, the TV's viewing angle is disappointing, so it's not great for watching sports and TV shows with many people sitting around it, and it has poor sharpness processing when upscaling content, so it looks its best when watching high-resolution sources.
They replied in the forums. May want to read it
there is some conflict over if it's just dolby sources that do it or if it's in general just in certain scenes.
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None of the premier reviewers are talking about "black crush". FOMO, Digital Trends, Brian's Tech Therapy, HDTV Test, etc.
Hdtvtest actually proved with many minileds lots of detail is lost in dark scenes compared to Sonys. Sonys does not get as inky black to preserve dark details.
Hdtvtest actually proved with many minileds lots of detail is lost in dark scenes compared to Sonys. Sonys does not get as inky black to preserve dark details.
We're talking specifically about the QM8. The reviews have been excellent. Mini-leds are getting closer and closer to OLED for blacks, but they're not quite there yet. The cheapest comparable 65" OLED to the QM8/U8K is probably an LG C2 or C3. Even last year's 65" C2 is still $1600 at Amazon/BestBuy.
Are the black levels of a C2 worth $600? I guess so for some people, although the QM8/U8K are so much brighter. Is that worth anything compared to OLEDs? You can get brighter OLEDs but then you're into MLA with the LG G3 and QD-OLED with the S95C/S95B/S90C, with prices around $2000 for 65". Not counting the insane price of a Sony A95L QD-OLED at $3500 for 65".
I've been debating getting a QM8 or U8K for a couple of months. I wanted the QM8 but the $300 price difference was hard to swallow. Now that they're both the same price, the QM8 is definitely my choice.
By the way, Mini-LEDs can already match OLED blacks if you're willing to pay the price. The TCL X955 (not yet available in the US) has 5000+ dimming zones and 5000 nits in a 98" screen. Those are unimaginable numbers. QD-OLED maxes out around 1500 nits. Reviewers who have seen it say you can't tell it apart from OLED black side by side. If you like big, TCL is selling a 115" model in China!
We're talking specifically about the QM8. The reviews have been excellent. Mini-leds are getting closer and closer to OLED for blacks, but they're not quite there yet. The cheapest comparable 65" OLED to the QM8/U8K is probably an LG C2 or C3. Even last year's 65" C2 is still $1600 at Amazon/BestBuy.
Are the black levels of a C2 worth $600? I guess so for some people, although the QM8/U8K are so much brighter. Is that worth anything compared to OLEDs? You can get brighter OLEDs but then you're into MLA with the LG G3 and QD-OLED with the S95C/S95B/S90C, with prices around $2000 for 65". Not counting the insane price of a Sony A95L QD-OLED at $3500 for 65".
I've been debating getting a QM8 or U8K for a couple of months. I wanted the QM8 but the $300 price difference was hard to swallow. Now that they're both the same price, the QM8 is definitely my choice.
By the way, Mini-LEDs can already match OLED blacks if you're willing to pay the price. The TCL X955 (not yet available in the US) has 5000+ dimming zones and 5000 nits in a 98" screen. Those are unimaginable numbers. QD-OLED maxes out around 1500 nits. Reviewers who have seen it say you can't tell it apart from OLED black side by side. If you like big, TCL is selling a 115" model in China!
We're talking specifically about the QM8. The reviews have been excellent. Mini-leds are getting closer and closer to OLED for blacks, but they're not quite there yet. The cheapest comparable 65" OLED to the QM8/U8K is probably an LG C2 or C3. Even last year's 65" C2 is still $1600 at Amazon/BestBuy.
Are the black levels of a C2 worth $600? I guess so for some people, although the QM8/U8K are so much brighter. Is that worth anything compared to OLEDs? You can get brighter OLEDs but then you're into MLA with the LG G3 and QD-OLED with the S95C/S95B/S90C, with prices around $2000 for 65". Not counting the insane price of a Sony A95L QD-OLED at $3500 for 65".
I've been debating getting a QM8 or U8K for a couple of months. I wanted the QM8 but the $300 price difference was hard to swallow. Now that they're both the same price, the QM8 is definitely my choice.
By the way, Mini-LEDs can already match OLED blacks if you're willing to pay the price. The TCL X955 (not yet available in the US) has 5000+ dimming zones and 5000 nits in a 98" screen. Those are unimaginable numbers. QD-OLED maxes out around 1500 nits. Reviewers who have seen it say you can't tell it apart from OLED black side by side. If you like big, TCL is selling a 115" model in China!
My 2 cents, the black levels aren't the most impressive thing going to an OLED. What stands out to me is picture clarity, the colors, and amazing viewing angles (went from Sony X90J to A80J)
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I really wanted to get it. I just paid the extra for OLED at this point.
None of the premier reviewers are talking about "black crush". FOMO, Digital Trends, Brian's Tech Therapy, HDTV Test, etc.
If you need bright, I'd still do LCD 8k. My light is low so I can go OLED without much issue.
Samsung s90 gets pretty bright. Brighter than c3 at the same price point. Sony lags behind both there.
None of the premier reviewers are talking about "black crush". FOMO, Digital Trends, Brian's Tech Therapy, HDTV Test, etc.
Rtings itself:
The TCL QM8 is a great TV overall. It's a fantastic gaming TV as it supports up to 4k @ 144Hz (with some caveats [rtings.com]), is compatible with every variable refresh rate (VRR) technology for nearly tear-free gaming, and its brightness is stellar in both SDR and HDR so all games look bright and vibrant. It also has incredibly low input lag in Game Mode. Its response time is also excellent, which is great for games but also for sports, as any fast-moving action is mostly blur-free. HDR content looks amazing on the TCL, as its HDR peak brightness is extremely high. The TV's contrast is excellent, so HDR movies look punchy and vivid in a dark room. Unfortunately, the TV's viewing angle is disappointing, so it's not great for watching sports and TV shows with many people sitting around it, and it has poor sharpness processing when upscaling content, so it looks its best when watching high-resolution sources.
Rtings itself:
The TCL QM8 is a great TV overall. It's a fantastic gaming TV as it supports up to 4k @ 144Hz (with some caveats [rtings.com]), is compatible with every variable refresh rate (VRR) technology for nearly tear-free gaming, and its brightness is stellar in both SDR and HDR so all games look bright and vibrant. It also has incredibly low input lag in Game Mode. Its response time is also excellent, which is great for games but also for sports, as any fast-moving action is mostly blur-free. HDR content looks amazing on the TCL, as its HDR peak brightness is extremely high. The TV's contrast is excellent, so HDR movies look punchy and vivid in a dark room. Unfortunately, the TV's viewing angle is disappointing, so it's not great for watching sports and TV shows with many people sitting around it, and it has poor sharpness processing when upscaling content, so it looks its best when watching high-resolution sources.
there is some conflict over if it's just dolby sources that do it or if it's in general just in certain scenes.
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None of the premier reviewers are talking about "black crush". FOMO, Digital Trends, Brian's Tech Therapy, HDTV Test, etc.
Are the black levels of a C2 worth $600? I guess so for some people, although the QM8/U8K are so much brighter. Is that worth anything compared to OLEDs? You can get brighter OLEDs but then you're into MLA with the LG G3 and QD-OLED with the S95C/S95B/S90C, with prices around $2000 for 65". Not counting the insane price of a Sony A95L QD-OLED at $3500 for 65".
I've been debating getting a QM8 or U8K for a couple of months. I wanted the QM8 but the $300 price difference was hard to swallow. Now that they're both the same price, the QM8 is definitely my choice.
By the way, Mini-LEDs can already match OLED blacks if you're willing to pay the price. The TCL X955 (not yet available in the US) has 5000+ dimming zones and 5000 nits in a 98" screen. Those are unimaginable numbers. QD-OLED maxes out around 1500 nits. Reviewers who have seen it say you can't tell it apart from OLED black side by side. If you like big, TCL is selling a 115" model in China!
https://www.tomsguide.c
<$1,800 or so and I'd probably pull trigger without considering OLED
Are the black levels of a C2 worth $600? I guess so for some people, although the QM8/U8K are so much brighter. Is that worth anything compared to OLEDs? You can get brighter OLEDs but then you're into MLA with the LG G3 and QD-OLED with the S95C/S95B/S90C, with prices around $2000 for 65". Not counting the insane price of a Sony A95L QD-OLED at $3500 for 65".
I've been debating getting a QM8 or U8K for a couple of months. I wanted the QM8 but the $300 price difference was hard to swallow. Now that they're both the same price, the QM8 is definitely my choice.
By the way, Mini-LEDs can already match OLED blacks if you're willing to pay the price. The TCL X955 (not yet available in the US) has 5000+ dimming zones and 5000 nits in a 98" screen. Those are unimaginable numbers. QD-OLED maxes out around 1500 nits. Reviewers who have seen it say you can't tell it apart from OLED black side by side. If you like big, TCL is selling a 115" model in China!
https://www.tomsguide.c
But pretty dang cool to see
I really wanted to get it. I just paid the extra for OLED at this point.
U8K also took an extra 2 months or so to come to market, so QM8 didn't have the competition on day 1 but they do now…
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Are the black levels of a C2 worth $600? I guess so for some people, although the QM8/U8K are so much brighter. Is that worth anything compared to OLEDs? You can get brighter OLEDs but then you're into MLA with the LG G3 and QD-OLED with the S95C/S95B/S90C, with prices around $2000 for 65". Not counting the insane price of a Sony A95L QD-OLED at $3500 for 65".
I've been debating getting a QM8 or U8K for a couple of months. I wanted the QM8 but the $300 price difference was hard to swallow. Now that they're both the same price, the QM8 is definitely my choice.
By the way, Mini-LEDs can already match OLED blacks if you're willing to pay the price. The TCL X955 (not yet available in the US) has 5000+ dimming zones and 5000 nits in a 98" screen. Those are unimaginable numbers. QD-OLED maxes out around 1500 nits. Reviewers who have seen it say you can't tell it apart from OLED black side by side. If you like big, TCL is selling a 115" model in China!
https://www.tomsguide.c
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