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2TB Team Group MP44L M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe 1.4 TLC Internal SSD

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TEAMGROUP Inc via Amazon has 2TB Team Group MP44L M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe 1.4 Internal Solid State Drive (TM8FPK002T0C101) on sale for $71.99. Shipping is free.

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Product Details (specs pdf):
  • M.2 2280 form factor
  • SLC Caching
  • PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.4 interface
  • Phison E21T Controller
  • 176-Layer Micron TLC Flash
  • Max Sequential Read/Write: Up to 4800/4400 MBps
  • 4KB Random Read/Write: Up to 525,000/550,000 IOPS
  • Terabytes Written (TBW): 1200TB
  • MTBF: 1,500,000 hours

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  • About this deal:
    • Our research indicates that this deal is $6 less (8% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $77.99 at the time of this posting.
  • About this product:
    • 5-Year Warranty
    • 4.6 out of 5 stars rating at Amazon based on over 4,300 customer reviews
  • About this store:
    • Seller TEAMGROUP Inc. has a 100% positive rating in the last 12 months with over 14520 lifetime feedback.
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TEAMGROUP Inc via Amazon has 2TB Team Group MP44L M.2 PCIe 4.0 NVMe 1.4 Internal Solid State Drive (TM8FPK002T0C101) on sale for $71.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Deal Hunter SehoneyDP for finding this deal.

Product Details (specs pdf):
  • M.2 2280 form factor
  • SLC Caching
  • PCIe Gen 4.0 x4 NVMe 1.4 interface
  • Phison E21T Controller
  • 176-Layer Micron TLC Flash
  • Max Sequential Read/Write: Up to 4800/4400 MBps
  • 4KB Random Read/Write: Up to 525,000/550,000 IOPS
  • Terabytes Written (TBW): 1200TB
  • MTBF: 1,500,000 hours

Editor's Notes

Written by powerfuldoppler | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • Our research indicates that this deal is $6 less (8% savings) than the next best available price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $77.99 at the time of this posting.
  • About this product:
    • 5-Year Warranty
    • 4.6 out of 5 stars rating at Amazon based on over 4,300 customer reviews
  • About this store:
    • Seller TEAMGROUP Inc. has a 100% positive rating in the last 12 months with over 14520 lifetime feedback.
    • Don't have Amazon Prime? Students can get a free 6-Month Amazon Prime trial with free 2-day shipping, unlimited video streaming & more.
    • If you're not a student, there's also a free 1-Month Amazon Prime trial available.
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    • Please refer to the Forum Thread for additional discussion regarding this deal.

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Sep 14, 2023 2:19 PM
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wicked123Sep 14, 2023 2:19 PM
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Quote from guest2011 View quoted comment :
Is slc same as dram or is dram faster and preferred over slc?
That's not how it works. Dram is its own thing that is additional.

Rank ordered by best:
SLC
MLC
TLC
QLC
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Quote from wicked123 View quoted comment :
That's not how it works. Dram is its own thing that is additional.

Rank ordered by best:
SLC
MLC
TLC
QLC
Just to expand a bit on your ranking:

SLC = 1 bit per cell; enterprise grade (100,000 cycles) and therefore very fast but very expensive for the amount of storage

MLC = 2 bits per cell; still very fast but offered in larger capacities and cheaper than SLC, though somewhat less reliable (10,000 cycles); early consumer SSDs were MLC and even most power users would be hard pressed to wear out one of these drives without exposing it to dirty voltage and/or constant read/writes such as 24/7 surveillance recording

TLC = 3 bits per cell; dominant consumer drive; less reliable (3,000 cycles) and slower than SLC or MLC, but offers even larger capacities at a much more reasonable price point

QLC = 4 bits per cell; slowest and cheapest of consumer grade drives; reliability is significantly lower than other technologies (1,000 cycles), however, this is somewhat offset with the use of 3D architecture and the larger capacities as you won't really start "wearing" the drive until you fill it over 50%

3D NAND - bits can be stored on a cell both horizontally and vertically which decreases their sensitivity to voltage differences and decreases errors, while also allowing for higher capacities and lower power consumption.

For reference, a "cycle" is a "program/erase" cycle, which means data is written to a cell, the cell is erased, and then rewritten.

To answer the poster's question: DRAM is a separate chip built into the SSD which functions sort of like the RAM in your PC. It stores data temporarily to increase access speeds to it, but then that data is lost when the power is turned off.

MLC/TLC/QLC drives with "SLC Cache" mean that there is a portion of the drive's storage that is ear-marked to function like SLC up to a point; frequently accessed data is written to this space to increase access speeds, but as the drive becomes full, this space stops functioning as a cache and reverts to normal MLC/TLC/QLC storage. The benefit to this method is that the data remains in storage on these cells even after power is removed. The downside is that this cache disappears as the drive becomes full, which isn't a problem for DRAM.
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Sep 14, 2023 8:54 PM
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FairNest1755Sep 14, 2023 8:54 PM
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Quote from berrnard View quoted comment :
what are you smoking?

it has SLC which are super fast writes and the most reliable cell technology, equaling 4400ish MBs writes and 1200 TBW on 2TB. and its gen4

btw, who can tell a difference between 3000 and 6000 MB writes?

the only downside is no DRAM
Can you recommend a 2tb around the same price with DRAM. I don't needn't as fast as this one but would prefer a 4th Gen
Sep 15, 2023 3:06 PM
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chadpSep 15, 2023 3:06 PM
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Quote from AmusedScent305 View quoted comment :
Just to expand.
Wow, that's good stuff thank you. I took a screen shot of your post.
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Sep 15, 2023 3:35 PM
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Teaser38Sep 15, 2023 3:35 PM
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This is a very nimble drive. Good at random read write. Great for everyday use. Pretty low power as well.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&s...NQfiPfpp0Y
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Teaser38Sep 15, 2023 3:37 PM
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Quote from FairNest1755 View quoted comment :
Can you recommend a 2tb around the same price with DRAM. I don't needn't as fast as this one but would prefer a 4th Gen
MP34 or 670p if you want a brand name. Really, this drive will blow these both away.
Last edited by Teaser38 September 15, 2023 at 08:40 AM.
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Sep 15, 2023 3:55 PM
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sd323232Sep 15, 2023 3:55 PM
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Black Friday around corner guys, I'm waiting for wan fiddy or less for 4tb ssd

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Sep 15, 2023 3:59 PM
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masterz13Sep 15, 2023 3:59 PM
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Whenever Microsoft releases a revised Xbox Series X, they REALLY need to add an m.2 expansion slot. Proprietary tech never wins.
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Teaser38Sep 15, 2023 4:41 PM
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Quote from sd323232 View quoted comment :
Black Friday around corner guys, I'm waiting for wan fiddy or less for 4tb ssd
Market is there, pretty much there. You can get a semi-decent MP34 (Dram, TLC, um probably) for $160.

Garbage-ish SATA drives are out there for $140.
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Sep 15, 2023 4:47 PM
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laluprasadSep 15, 2023 4:47 PM
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How do you find out if drive has dram or not?
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kpb321Sep 15, 2023 4:52 PM
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Quote from AmusedScent305 View quoted comment :
MLC/TLC/QLC drives with "SLC Cache" mean that there is a portion of the drive's storage that is ear-marked to function like SLC up to a point; frequently accessed data is written to this space to increase access speeds, but as the drive becomes full, this space stops functioning as a cache and reverts to normal MLC/TLC/QLC storage. The benefit to this method is that the data remains in storage on these cells even after power is removed. The downside is that this cache disappears as the drive becomes full, which isn't a problem for DRAM.
The SLC cache is really about write performance and not read performance. Writing to flash is always much slower than reading and for TLC/QLC it's noticeably slower. If you look at the in depth testing for these QLC drives you'll see a noticeable drop of in write performance when you do a lot of sustained writing to the drive and it uses up the available SLC cache. Often times, that can be 500mbs or lower at that point. AFAIK all drives that use an SLC cache also use idle time when the drive is powered on and not really doing anything else to take the stuff written to the SLC cache and write it someplace else as TLC/QLC data freeing up space to do more SLC caching of future writes. The hope is that you don't ever really do any sustained writes to the drive and fill up the SLC cache before it has time to clean things up so you always see the good SLC cache writing performance and never the much worse sustained write performance you see when it has to write directly to the TLC/QLC.

They also do the same type of thing when part of a group of flash gets erased. Rewrite someplace else so that things are ready to be written to later when needed. Managing the flash on an SSD is a really complicated process.
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cscamp20Sep 15, 2023 7:12 PM
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Quote from reevos View quoted comment :
Is this a good boot drive for windows 11? Building a new gaming computer and not sure which of all the different deals I should be purchasing for the build. Thank you for any help or suggestions.
It is fine. The drive is not the only one that matters when it comes to speed.
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guest2011Sep 15, 2023 9:09 PM
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Quote from wicked123 View quoted comment :
That's not how it works. Dram is its own thing that is additional.

Rank ordered by best:
SLC
MLC
TLC
QLC
Right. I remember those letters. This drive is advertised as fast but can is sustain large files or many files at that fast rate without slowing down, not having DRAM? I have some DRAM and DRAMless drives. Never had one with SLC cache.
Sep 15, 2023 9:22 PM
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wicked123Sep 15, 2023 9:22 PM
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Quote from guest2011 View quoted comment :
Right. I remember those letters. This drive is advertised as fast but can is sustain large files or many files at that fast rate without slowing down, not having DRAM? I have some DRAM and DRAMless drives. Never had one with SLC cache.
look at my next post
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wicked123Sep 15, 2023 9:33 PM
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Quote from AmusedScent305 View quoted comment :
Just to expand a bit on your ranking:

SLC = 1 bit per cell; enterprise grade (100,000 cycles) and therefore very fast but very expensive for the amount of storage

MLC = 2 bits per cell; still very fast but offered in larger capacities and cheaper than SLC, though somewhat less reliable (10,000 cycles); early consumer SSDs were MLC and even most power users would be hard pressed to wear out one of these drives without exposing it to dirty voltage and/or constant read/writes such as 24/7 surveillance recording

TLC = 3 bits per cell; dominant consumer drive; less reliable (3,000 cycles) and slower than SLC or MLC, but offers even larger capacities at a much more reasonable price point

QLC = 4 bits per cell; slowest and cheapest of consumer grade drives; reliability is significantly lower than other technologies (1,000 cycles), however, this is somewhat offset with the use of 3D architecture and the larger capacities as you won't really start "wearing" the drive until you fill it over 50%

3D NAND - bits can be stored on a cell both horizontally and vertically which decreases their sensitivity to voltage differences and decreases errors, while also allowing for higher capacities and lower power consumption.

For reference, a "cycle" is a "program/erase" cycle, which means data is written to a cell, the cell is erased, and then rewritten.

To answer the poster's question: DRAM is a separate chip built into the SSD which functions sort of like the RAM in your PC. It stores data temporarily to increase access speeds to it, but then that data is lost when the power is turned off.

MLC/TLC/QLC drives with "SLC Cache" mean that there is a portion of the drive's storage that is ear-marked to function like SLC up to a point; frequently accessed data is written to this space to increase access speeds, but as the drive becomes full, this space stops functioning as a cache and reverts to normal MLC/TLC/QLC storage. The benefit to this method is that the data remains in storage on these cells even after power is removed. The downside is that this cache disappears as the drive becomes full, which isn't a problem for DRAM.
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