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Some of us want more frames so the visuals are smoother. You only need better than the latency of 60fps if you are playing competitive multiplayer. Heck, for single player, 30 fps latency is still playable as long as it's stable.
If you're paying $530, for a 3-year old card, in 2023, because of "frame generation," then you deserve to have Nvidia take your money away from you.
I recently picked up a used 3080 12GB for a bit less and I probably should have just spent the extra for a 4070. Due to power consumption the total cost of ownership is going to be lower on the 4070 and the new 4 series feature could be useful in some situations.
Did the same thing (3080 10gb). Just used MSI Afterburner to turn down the power. Set the power limit to 70%, benchmarks went down 6% for a 30% reduction in power.
I cancelled a deal of 4070 and bought a used 3080 for $400 as no brainer deal. Performance in 4K is still favor 3080. Any kind of new technology currently on the 40xx series I would say they are just in demo phase and not fully developed and use widely. They may get more popular in the next 3 5 years or so... and by that time. The 40xx series is already oudated. Just pick the most cost efficient to your need and don't care about those stuff. Not everyone need to play game in full high setting either.
The 4070 got a lot of negativity at launch (why does this even exist?, etc)
But, its a really solid card, especially coupled with access to the latest DLSS features. At this price, I would certainly recommend over any AMD offerings at the same price point, or a used/refurb last Gen card.
They all got negativity, some exaggerated, regurgitated hypercriticism, some valid points.
It's been 549 for a few weeks now, and even at this price is still over $30 more than the 7800xt. Overall, it's not bad though, if looning for something in this price range.
The 4070 got a lot of negativity at launch (why does this even exist?, etc)
But, its a really solid card, especially coupled with access to the latest DLSS features. At this price, I would certainly recommend over any AMD offerings at the same price point, or a used/refurb last Gen card.
150 $200 overpriced. We're still looking at crypto pricing
The 4070 got a lot of negativity at launch (why does this even exist?, etc)
But, its a really solid card, especially coupled with access to the latest DLSS features. At this price, I would certainly recommend over any AMD offerings at the same price point, or a used/refurb last Gen card.
It got a lot of negativity at $600... but for $532 with 3 months of gamepass, a $50 value (at MSRP), that's getting closer.
I know there's a lot of AMD fanboyism out there but at $500 for the 7800 XT or this for just a little more... I am leaning towards this.
Absolute nonsense. Frame interpolation (aka, fake frames) are a feature that's been in HDTVs since 2015. You're not getting any additional performance. The entire point of having REAL higher performance, and REAL higher framerates, is to increase gameplay responsiveness, and reduce latency. Frame generation/fake frames does the exact opposite, and INCREASES latency. It's a feature I'm never, ever going to use.
It isn't the same thing as tv frame interpolation. On a tv it is useless for gaming because of the artifacts and lag it causes. DLSS 3.5 INCREASES responsiveness over native frame rate while having comparatively no artifacting compared to TV frame interpolation.
Some of us want more frames so the visuals are smoother. You only need better than the latency of 60fps if you are playing competitive multiplayer. Heck, for single player, 30 fps latency is still playable as long as it's stable.
Everyone is playing a dangerous game by acknowledging DLSS as means to one up the previous gen. Game developers have lately been releasing unoptimized games because they know DLSS will take care of everything. When it comes to raw power, the bandwidth is still limited on the 4 series at 4k. I just pray that physical hardware continues to improve in the 5 series and it's not just DLSS 10.0
We're in 2023, and we're getting barely RTX 3080 performance (a card that launched at $699 over 3 years ago) for $530? This is so lame.
I don't disagree with you fully, but the 40-series is extremely power-efficient. You're getting 3080-class performance on an x70-series card with almost half the power consumption. Now, throw in DLSS 3.5 and frame generation, and it's worth every penny.
The 40-series might not be as great of a jump as the 30-series was, but it sure has enough features going for it. But if you already have a 3080, then it doesn't make sense.
It got a lot of negativity at $600... but for $532 with 3 months of gamepass, a $50 value (at MSRP), that's getting closer.
I know there's a lot of AMD fanboyism out there but at $500 for the 7800 XT or this for just a little more... I am leaning towards this.
I have a 4090, by no means am I on team red but the importance of AMD being competitive at the mainstream price points is vastly under appreciated. I tell my friends pricing out their builds to buy AMD cards due to tight budgets. Also because the 7900XT was $640 with Starfield at one point in time. The 4070, 4060 Ti and 4060 are terrible for their initial MSRP, you have AMD to thank for their discounts now.
Absolute nonsense. Frame interpolation (aka, fake frames) are a feature that's been in HDTVs since 2015. You're not getting any additional performance. The entire point of having REAL higher performance, and REAL higher framerates, is to increase gameplay responsiveness, and reduce latency. Frame generation/fake frames does the exact opposite, and INCREASES latency. It's a feature I'm never, ever going to use.
I don't agree that the entire point is reduced input delay, there are lots of game types where that's negligible. I can play path traced cyberpunk at ~60-70 FPS without FG or ~110 with it. That's not a game that requires <20ms input delay so the visual smoothness is worth it to me.
FG doesn't feel great on games <45 FPS, but it's not worthless. Tons of big studios continue to make 30 FPS console games where the input delay is pretty high by nature of the framerate, but I'd be willing to bet if people could enable FG to get 60 FPS but the same input delay they would.
It got a lot of negativity at $600... but for $532 with 3 months of gamepass, a $50 value (at MSRP), that's getting closer.
I know there's a lot of AMD fanboyism out there but at $500 for the 7800 XT or this for just a little more... I am leaning towards this.
There's a lot of AMD AND Nvidia fanboyism out there (I have an RTX GPU, fyi), with a lot of weird cope about power efficiency and frame generation to justify still paying $530 for the same performance as a 3-year old card. 3080-level performance should be $400 at most at this point, especially with the collapse of mining, and the fact that none of these GPUs are selling.
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If you're paying $530, for a 3-year old card, in 2023, because of "frame generation," then you deserve to have Nvidia take your money away from you.
Did the same thing (3080 10gb). Just used MSI Afterburner to turn down the power. Set the power limit to 70%, benchmarks went down 6% for a 30% reduction in power.
But, its a really solid card, especially coupled with access to the latest DLSS features. At this price, I would certainly recommend over any AMD offerings at the same price point, or a used/refurb last Gen card.
They all got negativity, some exaggerated, regurgitated hypercriticism, some valid points.
It's been 549 for a few weeks now, and even at this price is still over $30 more than the 7800xt. Overall, it's not bad though, if looning for something in this price range.
But, its a really solid card, especially coupled with access to the latest DLSS features. At this price, I would certainly recommend over any AMD offerings at the same price point, or a used/refurb last Gen card.
150 $200 overpriced. We're still looking at crypto pricing
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But, its a really solid card, especially coupled with access to the latest DLSS features. At this price, I would certainly recommend over any AMD offerings at the same price point, or a used/refurb last Gen card.
I know there's a lot of AMD fanboyism out there but at $500 for the 7800 XT or this for just a little more... I am leaning towards this.
The 40-series might not be as great of a jump as the 30-series was, but it sure has enough features going for it. But if you already have a 3080, then it doesn't make sense.
I know there's a lot of AMD fanboyism out there but at $500 for the 7800 XT or this for just a little more... I am leaning towards this.
FG doesn't feel great on games <45 FPS, but it's not worthless. Tons of big studios continue to make 30 FPS console games where the input delay is pretty high by nature of the framerate, but I'd be willing to bet if people could enable FG to get 60 FPS but the same input delay they would.
I know there's a lot of AMD fanboyism out there but at $500 for the 7800 XT or this for just a little more... I am leaning towards this.
There's a lot of AMD AND Nvidia fanboyism out there (I have an RTX GPU, fyi), with a lot of weird cope about power efficiency and frame generation to justify still paying $530 for the same performance as a 3-year old card. 3080-level performance should be $400 at most at this point, especially with the collapse of mining, and the fact that none of these GPUs are selling.
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