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Tesla Model Y
Dual Motor
All-Wheel Drive
Range: 330mi
Top Speed: 135 mph
0-60 mph: 4.8 seconds
Qualify for $7500 Federal Tax Credit with below income cap:
Adjusted Gross Income Limitations
$300,000 for married couples filing jointly
$225,000 for heads of households
$150,000 for all other filers
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Model S batteries on the early models have an 8 year, unlimited miles warranty.
Tesla has the lowest warranty claims rate of any western car maker- lower on average than even Toyota for the last 2 years data is available.
can you point me to sources of failure in the S being the norm?
I don't mean a few cars in a forum thread, I mean any actual fleet-sized data given Tesla has sold many hundreds of thousands of them by now.
Oh, source on the industry-leading low warranty rate-
https://www.warrantywee
Tesla for 2020 and 2021 (so nearly every S ever made would still be in warranty in this period) Teslas claim rates were 1.1% and 1.1%. Average obviously being 1.1%.
Toyotas for those 2 years were 1.4% and 1.0%, averaging a slightly higher 1.25%- tied with Renault at 1.25% and after that Nissan at 1.35% and Honda at 1.55%.
All the other US companies, the Germans, and the Koreans were much higher (in the 2.6 to 3.1% range).
If you'd prefer to stick to a time period where ALL Model S in the world were actively under warranty, here ya go:
https://www.warrantywee
Figure 2 is average claim rates by company from 2015-2019.
Tesla again is near the best (1.3% average… Nissan and Subaru were 1.2, Renault 1.0…Toyota and Honda 2.0 and 2.1 respectively).
So no, battery failure on the early S was not the norm, if it were they'd have a higher than a low 1.x% of sales warranty claim rate and not be near best in industry on the stat.
(before anyone complains about the chinese companies rates being low, there's a number of reasons not relevant ot the discussion- most have cars not on the market very long at all, and chinese car warranties also cover a lot less than western ones...also, and I suppose this IS a bit relevant- they tend to mostly make EVs-- which have lower warranty claims across the board compared to legacy ICE vehicles with far more parts to fail.... But mostly the only data really worth considering in there is BYD since they've been around long enough for the data to matter- and their rate is about the same as Tesla and slightly better than Toyota as well- which makes sense given Toyota has praised BYD for quality and recently launched a joint venture with them)
I can't understand it for you.
Sorry.
Yes- you ignored the things I originally wrote, and made up a series of strawmen nobody was actually debating.
Yes, after I'd already cited it a few times and you called me a liar over it. Glad you admit you were wrong!
Since that's never been an argument I ever made why would you "challenge" me on it?
Again- strawman.
Again false.
120v overnight is fine for the average miles driven by Americans, so a 120v charger does them fine.
Plus the huge % who CAN install a 240- or already HAVE one via a garage plug with one, or a dryer plug with one, or an oven plug with one.
Again you seem desperate to find SOME kind of argument because you have some arbitrary definition of "vast" for majority and are SURE it disagrees with mine...for...REASONS.
Then you have room for a charger.
...what?
How would mounting a charger on the garage wall higher than the car impact the neighbors? At all?
Are you sure you mean a garage and not a parking lot?
Again people are not generally ONLY home for just 8 hours every day. Another strawman.
Several.
Except, of course, I did not.
I brought up overnight.
You strawmanned it by inserting the 8 hour thing.
Here's me specifically pointing out it's more than 8 from a previous post when you first tried that slight of hand.
Even PRE covid americans spent an average of 50 percent of their waking hours at home... add in the 8 hours they're actually asleep and you get... quite a bit more than 8 hours a day to have the car plugged in.
And that # is even higher now.
In which case they pass a BUNCH of superchargers that don't charge for parking there and back (at least a dozen, one way, to Montauk from Manhattan for example)
So again a fake problem.
You are a liar. You not only don't undestand the difference between single home percentage and owner-occupancy rate, you also lied about the average miles driven by the American. I don't have to admit anything, but you might want to put the empty space between your ears to use and think this out.
Strawman? You made the argument that EV's are good for the "vast majority" of Americans. I didn't make that up. I challenged you to back that up with facts and numbers instead of something. You didn't do any of that.
So let's do some basic math. Do try to keep up. Per Tesla, 120V would charge a Model Y at 3 miles per hour. Now the average American drives 37 miles a day. So it would only take, oh, 12 hours 20 minutes to charge every day. And definitely don't forget to plug in, or take a road trip. That's convenient for the "vast majority."
Also the fact that you glossed over despite me bringing it up repeatedly. In urban centers where EV are the most beneficial, such as New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, etc, you DON'T have a garage. You DON'T even have a driveway. Even if you don't own a condo or a co-op, there's a good chance it's a brownstone, rowhouse or townhouse. There's no home charger OR 240V to be installed. And if you lived above the first floor of one such complex,where do you even pull a 120V, out the window? Hilarious. And no, such problem is QUITE TYPICAL. Do try to get out of your own bubble sometimes.
So if my parking lot is not exactly the same size as my car, I have room to install a charger? Let's play a funny game. If I make a spot the EXACT SIZE of your car, try to open the car. I do wonder if you put any thoughts before you posted.
Where do you install a charger in a garage? If you want to not have it knocked over in a shared garage, then ON A WALL either beside our car or behind it. If you don't have a wall to the side of your car then you're installing that couple of inches on the way BEHIND YOU, which means your car is more forward than it normally would be. Again, even if you put some basic thought, you would have understood that simple concept.
Actually no, I didn't bring up a strawman. I brought up 3 miles of charge per hour. That is not a strawman. That's a state of a fact. I brought up that at that rate, you couldn't do anything more than the shortest range driving without using a supercharger (if you're unable to install one at home, for ALREADY STATED REASONS). That is not a strawman. That is a statement of a fact. YOU on the other hand brought up 8 hours while SIMULTANOUSLY claiming that is is enough for the vast majority of Americans with nothing to back up that mouth of yours.
As for Montauk to Manhattan, so I would have to rely on a supercharger instead of that 120V at home? Glad you agree. Thanks for playing.
Example: your tax liability is 10K. You paid 12K throughout the year. You will get 9.5K back.
The thing you need to see is if your TAX LIABILITY will be 7.5K or higher.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zYgrPzA
if you take the tax credit for a purchase THIS year you need $7500 in tax liability for the 2023 tax year.
Then the credit offsets that liability dollar for dollar.
If your liability is less than $7500, you only get the amount of your liability and the rest is lost.
Note- this is about tax liability it has nothing to do with "do I get a refund and how much"
You can have liability of $7500 and get no refund normally. You can have liability of $7500 and get a huge refund normally. You can have liability of $7500 and still owe money normally.
One tells you nothing useful about the other. Look at line 18 of your 1040- that's your relevant tax liability.
Anyway, starting Jan 1 2024, the amount of liability you actually have no longer matters if you take the point of sale credit.
If you do that you get $7500 toward the purchase of the car at time of purchase.
As long as you are below the max income ceiling (150k single, 300k married filing jointly) that's it. You got $7500 off the car at time of purchase and you're done.
Or is it something else?
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Example: your tax liability is 10K. You paid 12K throughout the year. You will get 9.5K back.
The thing you need to see is if your TAX LIABILITY will be 7.5K or higher.
To Click on the thread...
And post your comment to complain about it...
How many deals are posted that you are not interested in... hundreds, thousands ?
Just take your negativity somewhere else, its not useful here.
You are a liar. You not only don't undestand the difference between single home percentage and owner-occupancy rate, you also lied about the average miles driven by the American. I don't have to admit anything, but you might want to put the empty space between your ears to use and think this out.
Strawman? You made the argument that EV's are good for the "vast majority" of Americans. I didn't make that up. I challenged you to back that up with facts and numbers instead of something. You didn't do any of that.
So let's do some basic math. Do try to keep up. Per Tesla, 120V would charge a Model Y at 3 miles per hour. Now the average American drives 37 miles a day. So it would only take, oh, 12 hours 20 minutes to charge every day. And definitely don't forget to plug in, or take a road trip. That's convenient for the "vast majority."
Also the fact that you glossed over despite me bringing it up repeatedly. In urban centers where EV are the most beneficial, such as New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Chicago, etc, you DON'T have a garage. You DON'T even have a driveway. Even if you don't own a condo or a co-op, there's a good chance it's a brownstone, rowhouse or townhouse. There's no home charger OR 240V to be installed. And if you lived above the first floor of one such complex,where do you even pull a 120V, out the window? Hilarious. And no, such problem is QUITE TYPICAL. Do try to get out of your own bubble sometimes.
So if my parking lot is not exactly the same size as my car, I have room to install a charger? Let's play a funny game. If I make a spot the EXACT SIZE of your car, try to open the car. I do wonder if you put any thoughts before you posted.
Where do you install a charger in a garage? If you want to not have it knocked over in a shared garage, then ON A WALL either beside our car or behind it. If you don't have a wall to the side of your car then you're installing that couple of inches on the way BEHIND YOU, which means your car is more forward than it normally would be. Again, even if you put some basic thought, you would have understood that simple concept.
Actually no, I didn't bring up a strawman. I brought up 3 miles of charge per hour. That is not a strawman. That's a state of a fact. I brought up that at that rate, you couldn't do anything more than the shortest range driving without using a supercharger (if you're unable to install one at home, for ALREADY STATED REASONS). That is not a strawman. That is a statement of a fact. YOU on the other hand brought up 8 hours while SIMULTANOUSLY claiming that is is enough for the vast majority of Americans with nothing to back up that mouth of yours.
As for Montauk to Manhattan, so I would have to rely on a supercharger instead of that 120V at home? Glad you agree. Thanks for playing.
Or is it something else?
I currently insure two cars. A 2013 and a 2021. The '13 is being replaced, that's why I'm looking into Tesla. The 2021 costs about the same as a Tesla, but of course, bit older. For that my 6 month rate after multi-line, multi-product and safe driving is ~$800 per 6 months. This is through Geico. So obviously the first is to see what Geico would give my on a Model Y since I have loyalty discount and all that good stuff. For same level of coverage I was quote $1,547 per 6 months.
But I respect Geico for giving it to me straight, because Progressive for example quoted me I think $575, $675 and one I think around $790 for 6 months. The difference being of course, they lowered my liability/bodily injury/rental coverage/etc. But that's of course not the same thing.
Out of the major ones, State Farm was cheapest quote for me. There were some smallers more local brokers that were cheaper, but I'm not sure how replicable that would be for others. So yes, essentially I would expect to pay roughly double for a Tesla insurance, but like I said, if someone find cheaper ones, let me know.
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