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expiredvietle0511 posted Oct 19, 2023 6:19 PM

Lenovo Legion Gaming Desktop Tower 7i Gen 8 (Intel): i7-13700KF, RTX 4070 Ti, 16 GB DDR5-5200MHz, 1 TB SSD M.2 $1,659.00 + Free Shipping

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$1,659.00 after coupon CELEBRATE2023 + EXTRA5

Processor
13th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-13700KF Processor (E-cores up to 4.20 GHz P-cores up to 5.30 GHz)

Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64

Graphic Card
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti 12GB GDDR6X

Memory
16 GB DDR5-5200MHz (UDIMM) - (2 x 8 GB)

Storage
1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC

Cooling System
150W 120mm Air Cooling + 1 x Rear + 3 x Front + 2 x Top with ARGB Fan

Pointing Device
USB Optical Mouse
Keyboard
USB, Calliope, Black - English (US)

WiFi Wireless LAN Adapters
Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 AX & Bluetooth® 5.1 or above

Warranty
One Year Legion Ultimate Support
Add-ons
3 Month Xbox Game Pass

https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/de...90v7003jus
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$1,659.00 after coupon CELEBRATE2023 + EXTRA5

Processor
13th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-13700KF Processor (E-cores up to 4.20 GHz P-cores up to 5.30 GHz)

Operating System
Windows 11 Home 64

Graphic Card
NVIDIA® GeForce RTX™ 4070 Ti 12GB GDDR6X

Memory
16 GB DDR5-5200MHz (UDIMM) - (2 x 8 GB)

Storage
1 TB SSD M.2 2280 PCIe Gen4 Performance TLC

Cooling System
150W 120mm Air Cooling + 1 x Rear + 3 x Front + 2 x Top with ARGB Fan

Pointing Device
USB Optical Mouse
Keyboard
USB, Calliope, Black - English (US)

WiFi Wireless LAN Adapters
Wi-Fi 6E 2x2 AX & Bluetooth® 5.1 or above

Warranty
One Year Legion Ultimate Support
Add-ons
3 Month Xbox Game Pass

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Why does a 4070 Ti have only 12GB of VRAM?
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Oct 19, 2023 11:58 PM
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TheRedEyeBanditOct 19, 2023 11:58 PM
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Code 'EXTRA5' appears to be expired
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Oct 20, 2023 12:38 AM
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barrera_jOct 20, 2023 12:38 AM
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Quote from jwoodeals4u :
Why does a 4070 Ti have only 12GB of VRAM?
because money

don't listen to bootlickers telling you games don't need more than 12gb of RAM.... for upcoming years VRAM requirements skyrocketed because of high quality texture packs and even much worse with RAY TRACING

once upon a time 4gb was enough and that time is long gone... same will happen to 12gb, especially on $900 GPUs
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vietle0511
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Oct 20, 2023 12:39 AM
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Quote from TheRedEyeBandit :
Code 'EXTRA5' appears to be expired
it'll say that but seems like the coupon still apply additional saving to your total amount
Oct 20, 2023 6:57 AM
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MarkD77Oct 20, 2023 6:57 AM
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Decent deal. You could probably build similar performance for $200-300 less. But not with a 13700k and 4070ti.

Important thing is this and the $1200 deal both have good CPU/GPU balance. I just hate that it only comes with 16gb of slow ram.
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Quote from barrera_j :
because money

don't listen to bootlickers telling you games don't need more than 12gb of RAM.... for upcoming years VRAM requirements skyrocketed because of high quality texture packs and even much worse with RAY TRACING

once upon a time 4gb was enough and that time is long gone... same will happen to 12gb, especially on $900 GPUs
This isn't completely accurate.

We're currently in a bubble where consoles with fixed memory are driving many of the development decisions games undergo and developers are simply setting render performance targets to match.

Translate that to a computer, where pipelines and expectations (not to mention, an entire operating system with ever-growing requirements and an overzealously nannying kernel running in the background) set entirely different render performance targets and of course the computer will need more resources.

But this is increasingly just a mask for the fact that, despite being more performant per dollar due to being tailor made for one purpose, consoles have been getting away with things PCs can't for several generations now.

Look back just two generations where physical media dominated on console sales and recall that one trick discs had to employ to keep up with hard drive performance was to place duplicate content at various points on the disc. That's now becoming less and less common because of solid state drives.

The same will eventually be said for these crazy texture resolutions and baked shadows that eat up the vram requirements your so-called "bootlickers" are questioning.

For one, very few games have started to fully utilize Nanite, Lumen, and many of the other procedural rendering technologies that came out in Unreal 5.2. Nanite alone has the potential to reduce the number of prepackaged, non-scalable high resolution textures that get baked into games.

Secondly, Direct Storage coupled with Gen 5 drives is starting to make the overhead cost of streaming textures far more negligible overall. With the potential scalability of bandwidth, it's not hard to see that it could eventually act as an expansion for vram rather than just a supplemental cache.

Finally, I believe that when you refer to "bootlickers", you're actually just talking about Nvidia customers. But what you fail to grasp is that as much as it looks like heel-dragging on their part, these specs aren't just random guesstimates about what they think a flagship game "could" need. Again, developers set the render performance targets. And despite working on development boxes that sometimes house professional cards with vram you won't see on a consumer card for at least the next three years, very few developers are dumb enough to release a game that specifically targets a card you can't buy yet.

Moreover, AMD is going down a slippery slope by trying to normalize consumer cards with more vram than most systems have for RAM these days. Unlike Nvidia, who are actually addressing some of these memory concerns with new software technologies, AMD is simply throwing more hardware at the problem. One might wonder if they're just trying to force the next iteration of consoles to happen sooner.
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Oct 20, 2023 8:05 AM
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MR_FLY_GUYOct 20, 2023 8:05 AM
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Quote from barrera_j :
because money

don't listen to bootlickers telling you games don't need more than 12gb of RAM.... for upcoming years VRAM requirements skyrocketed because of high quality texture packs and even much worse with RAY TRACING

once upon a time 4gb was enough and that time is long gone... same will happen to 12gb, especially on $900 GPUs
You are correct. 16gb vram is enough for the next 2-3 years imo
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MellowRecess8806Oct 20, 2023 8:48 AM
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It says I can get the I9 and 4090 for $2496 with o out tax. Might be too good a deal to pass up. Employer discount.
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Oct 20, 2023 11:34 AM
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WARHAWKSSOct 20, 2023 11:34 AM
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Quote from barrera_j :
because money

don't listen to bootlickers telling you games don't need more than 12gb of RAM.... for upcoming years VRAM requirements skyrocketed because of high quality texture packs and even much worse with RAY TRACING

once upon a time 4gb was enough and that time is long gone... same will happen to 12gb, especially on $900 GPUs
Bootlicker... the favorite term of the ignorant.
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Oct 20, 2023 1:25 PM
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dyrneOct 20, 2023 1:25 PM
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edit: I just don't see this as any kind of deal
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Oct 20, 2023 1:59 PM
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xtweakxxOct 20, 2023 1:59 PM
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None of these current lenovo deals actually work. When you click checkout on this one it jumps up to $1820
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DavesillyOct 20, 2023 2:34 PM
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Quote from vietle0511 :
it'll say that but seems like the coupon still apply additional saving to your total amount
It appeared to do this until you actually pay for it. Then it says it doesn't work. At least that's what happened for me.
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Huu26Oct 20, 2023 3:19 PM
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Quote from musicmanley :
Because most gaming doesn't need more than that. The 3070 Ti only had 8GB of VRAM, the 3080 Ti only had 12 GB of VRAM. Very few games even call for more than 12GB of VRAM. I have a 3090 with 24GB of VRAM and benchmarks show the 4070 Ti either matches it or beats it in pretty much every game. I only use the extra VRAM for non-gaming applications like Stable Diffusion, LLMs, or Blender.
Not accurate/true at all. Nowadays, most demand games are graphic intensive and having more VRAM is necessary, so no bottlenecks or lagging when gaming.

Also, think of future proof. More is better.

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Huu26Oct 20, 2023 3:21 PM
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Quote from WARHAWKSS :
Bootlicker... the favorite term of the ignorant.
Yep, a little bit harsh to call someone a bootlicker for an invalid statement they had made.

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