expiredrutgersftw posted Nov 06, 2023 02:48 PM
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expiredrutgersftw posted Nov 06, 2023 02:48 PM
Combo: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D + MSI B650-P PRO Motherboard + 32GB G.Skill DDR5-6000
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The 7800x3d, and the 7950x3d, are the fastest gaming chips available. While technically the better binned 7950x3d can slightly beat the 7800x3d when the ccd parking functions properly, that chip is far more expensive and aimed at individuals who are doing both gaming and intensive productivity work. Additionally, in any case where the ccd parking isn't properly functional, the 7950x3d trails behind. The 7800x3d is an exceptionally low power and power efficient chip, when compared to the intel 13700k in gaming at 1080p with a rtx4090 the 7800x3d is 11% faster on average while consuming on average 100 fewer watts of power, which is an absolutely insane difference. The difference is even greater when compared to the 14700k, 13900k, and 14900k, which are even less efficient due to intel targeting clock speeds at the extremes of the v/f efficiency curve. The 7800x3d can be easily cooled with any good air cooler, I personally highly recommend the thermalright phantom spirit 120se (PS120SE) at ~$38. If your use case is only gaming, then the 7800x3d is by far the best upper midrange option on the market as it typically goes on sale for ~$350 (the best price ever was a brief microcenter sale at $330). Eight cores is entirely sufficient for current gen gaming, and while it's theoretically possible that games will gradually start being able to take advantage of additional cores over the next 5 years or so, the 7800x3d should remain highly competitive in gaming for years to come. If your use cases are more varied and cpu intensive than just gaming, then the 7800x3d becomes a significantly less compelling option. The 7800x3d has rather mediocre multithreaded performance, it's essentially a marginally slower 7700x when used for productivity. Intel cpus offer far greater multithreaded performance at the same price compared to any single ccd zen 4 cpu, so if productivity is a priority the 7800x3d isn't a good option.
The msi b650-p pro motherboard included in this bundle is acceptable, but it's a lower midrange board with several compromises. Here's a link to the specs page: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/P...cification
And here's a link to the manual: https://download.msi.co
First off, it entirely lacks pcie gen 5 support, which realistically isn't a big deal currently. However, considering one of the primary benefits of building an am5 system is being able to slot in a new cpu years down the line, 4+ years from now the lack of pcie gen5 might be of much greater concern. Pcie, m.2, and sata configurations should be acceptable for the majority of average users, though once again there's nothing particularly impressive. It has 2 pcie gen4 m.2 slots, though only one comes with a heatsink. The realtek alc897 is a cheap low end audio chip fairly common on low to midrange boards. It also lacks an integrated io shield, but does come with a separate one you can install. The networking is good, with realtek 2.5gb lan and intel wifi6e with bluetooth 5.3. Overall, it's an acceptable lower midrange board that I'd say is worth around $150 considering the prices you can find other comparable boards on sale for.
The ram is probably the biggest disappointment in this bundle. It's ddr5 6000 cl36 36-36-36-96 using samsung b-die memory chips. Zen 4 cpus are rather sensitive to memory timings, the current performance/value sweet spot is ddr5 6000 cl30. While this ram isn't awful, it's still something of a letdown, and will likely cost you a couple percentage points of performance. Samsung memory chips are inferior to hynix memory chips in just about every way, having worse compatibility, reliability, timings, and worse overclocking/tuning potential. If you are willing to manually tune your ram then the performance delta will actually be meaningful compared to manually tuned hynix ram. Ram using samsung memory chips have had compatibility issues with the am5 platform in the past, the latest agesa updates have supposedly fixed those compatibility issues. I highly recommend flashing the latest non-beta bios 7D78v17 which has agesa 1.0.0.7c before installing the cpu and ram. Instructions for flashing the bios without installing the cpu or ram can be found on page 54 of the manual.
Overall, this is a decent deal for a 7800x3d system, though it's not nearly as massive of a discount compared to the other bundles microcenter has listed. The cpu is worth around $350, the motherboard around $150, and the ram around $80 (you can find 32gb 2x16 ddr5 6000 cl30 for $90), so you save around $80 total compared to buying the components separately on acceptable sales. If you compare to the best sales we've seen it's more like a $50 savings. If you're only gaming, play at 1440p or below, and have a high enough end gpu that cpu bottlenecks are an issue, then this is your best option. If you wouldn't actually benefit from the additional gaming performance of this cpu the 7700x bundle is essentially the exact same for $100 cheaper. If you require high multithreaded performance for productivity, instead of only gaming, your best bet is to wait for the 13700k bundle to drop back down to $450, or preferably for the 7900x bundle to drop back down to $550. If you don't urgently need a new system now I'd wait a couple of months to see if this bundle ever drops in price, since microcenter bundles tend to occasionally go on sale for around $50 cheaper.
It's not rocket science, people...
I will say that the 14700K has a better mobo. PCIE 5.0 won't be important to a lot of people. But if it is, then the Intel deal is a damn good one!
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Plus, i have proper air flow setup. Just two case fans, but everything is positioned properly such that there is no air recycling in case... direct paths for cold air intake and hot air exhaust.
My youttube/web browsing is ~35C for cores. Yes, i was surprised too. But its not my first build, i choose everything from previous knowledge how to get effective cooling,...
edit: also, look at Hardware Canuks cooler reviews, the new revamped ones [youtube.com]. The $40 Thermalright Spirit Phantom beats the Noctua 12a at 7700X power level and matches or beats the 15 on a 7950X power level.
edit2: also, my cpu stability torture test was same as yours, Cinebench, as derbauer recently said thats what he uses.
I have an 11700k and was looking to upgrade but, since I'd be traveling next 2 months and won't use it, I figured I'd return and wait for BF. Prices have not improved since. This 7800x3D went down in price but, in terms of performance/$, the 7700x with same mobo and ram at $400 is still the better deal.
Oh wells, gotta wait some more I guess. Cmon blackfriday. Give us the 7700x combo for $300. 😍
The 7800x3d, and the 7950x3d, are the fastest gaming chips available. While technically the better binned 7950x3d can slightly beat the 7800x3d when the ccd parking functions properly, that chip is far more expensive and aimed at individuals who are doing both gaming and intensive productivity work. Additionally, in any case where the ccd parking isn't properly functional, the 7950x3d trails behind. The 7800x3d is an exceptionally low power and power efficient chip, when compared to the intel 13700k in gaming at 1080p with a rtx4090 the 7800x3d is 11% faster on average while consuming on average 100 fewer watts of power, which is an absolutely insane difference. The difference is even greater when compared to the 14700k, 13900k, and 14900k, which are even less efficient due to intel targeting clock speeds at the extremes of the v/f efficiency curve. The 7800x3d can be easily cooled with any good air cooler, I personally highly recommend the thermalright phantom spirit 120se (PS120SE) at ~$38. If your use case is only gaming, then the 7800x3d is by far the best upper midrange option on the market as it typically goes on sale for ~$350 (the best price ever was a brief microcenter sale at $330). Eight cores is entirely sufficient for current gen gaming, and while it's theoretically possible that games will gradually start being able to take advantage of additional cores over the next 5 years or so, the 7800x3d should remain highly competitive in gaming for years to come. If your use cases are more varied and cpu intensive than just gaming, then the 7800x3d becomes a significantly less compelling option. The 7800x3d has rather mediocre multithreaded performance, it's essentially a marginally slower 7700x when used for productivity. Intel cpus offer far greater multithreaded performance at the same price compared to any single ccd zen 4 cpu, so if productivity is a priority the 7800x3d isn't a good option.
The msi b650-p pro motherboard included in this bundle is acceptable, but it's a lower midrange board with several compromises. Here's a link to the specs page: https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/P...cification
And here's a link to the manual: https://download.msi.co
First off, it entirely lacks pcie gen 5 support, which realistically isn't a big deal currently. However, considering one of the primary benefits of building an am5 system is being able to slot in a new cpu years down the line, 4+ years from now the lack of pcie gen5 might be of much greater concern. Pcie, m.2, and sata configurations should be acceptable for the majority of average users, though once again there's nothing particularly impressive. It has 2 pcie gen4 m.2 slots, though only one comes with a heatsink. The realtek alc897 is a cheap low end audio chip fairly common on low to midrange boards. It also lacks an integrated io shield, but does come with a separate one you can install. The networking is good, with realtek 2.5gb lan and intel wifi6e with bluetooth 5.3. Overall, it's an acceptable lower midrange board that I'd say is worth around $150 considering the prices you can find other comparable boards on sale for.
The ram is probably the biggest disappointment in this bundle. It's ddr5 6000 cl36 36-36-36-96 using samsung b-die memory chips. Zen 4 cpus are rather sensitive to memory timings, the current performance/value sweet spot is ddr5 6000 cl30. While this ram isn't awful, it's still something of a letdown, and will likely cost you a couple percentage points of performance. Samsung memory chips are inferior to hynix memory chips in just about every way, having worse compatibility, reliability, timings, and worse overclocking/tuning potential. If you are willing to manually tune your ram then the performance delta will actually be meaningful compared to manually tuned hynix ram. Ram using samsung memory chips have had compatibility issues with the am5 platform in the past, the latest agesa updates have supposedly fixed those compatibility issues. I highly recommend flashing the latest non-beta bios 7D78v17 which has agesa 1.0.0.7c before installing the cpu and ram. Instructions for flashing the bios without installing the cpu or ram can be found on page 54 of the manual.
Overall, this is a decent deal for a 7800x3d system, though it's not nearly as massive of a discount compared to the other bundles microcenter has listed. The cpu is worth around $350, the motherboard around $150, and the ram around $80 (you can find 32gb 2x16 ddr5 6000 cl30 for $90), so you save around $80 total compared to buying the components separately on acceptable sales. If you compare to the best sales we've seen it's more like a $50 savings. If you're only gaming, play at 1440p or below, and have a high enough end gpu that cpu bottlenecks are an issue, then this is your best option. If you wouldn't actually benefit from the additional gaming performance of this cpu the 7700x bundle is essentially the exact same for $100 cheaper. If you require high multithreaded performance for productivity, instead of only gaming, your best bet is to wait for the 13700k bundle to drop back down to $450, or preferably for the 7900x bundle to drop back down to $550. If you don't urgently need a new system now I'd wait a couple of months to see if this bundle ever drops in price, since microcenter bundles tend to occasionally go on sale for around $50 cheaper.
What motherboard and RAM would you suggest to someone to get with a 7800x3d if they were buying the components separately?
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Additionally, thank you for your lengthy write-up. I saw your comment on the 13700k bundle thread that expired yesterday after I read your comment here.
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