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Can someone please educate me why I should buy this charger when I can buy the Tesla charger for 475 regular price and the Tesla charger has 48 amp charging capacity. I understand that not everyone has a Tesla but my understanding is you can also use Tesla to charge non-Tesla. Moreover, other cars are moving over to Tesla charging standard in next two years.
Can someone please educate me why I should buy this charger when I can buy the Tesla charger for 475 regular price and the Tesla charger has 48 amp charging capacity. I understand that not everyone has a Tesla but my understanding is you can also use Tesla to charge non-Tesla. Moreover, other cars are moving over to Tesla charging standard in next two years.
The Tesla Wall Connector achieves 48A charging through hardwire connection to an electrical panel, unable to be frequently removed/easily swapped out. Tesla has a more "mobile" type charger called their mobile connector currently sold by Tesla achieving 32A charge capability via. plugging into a NEMA 14-50 outlet (looks like a drier outlet). This specific charge achieves "the best of both worlds". Also this charger can be purchased through Costco and therefore you will have a very easy warranty/return process if anything going wrong down the road.
Can someone please educate me why I should buy this charger when I can buy the Tesla charger for 475 regular price and the Tesla charger has 48 amp charging capacity. I understand that not everyone has a Tesla but my understanding is you can also use Tesla to charge non-Tesla. Moreover, other cars are moving over to Tesla charging standard in next two years.
Not sure if there are other benefits to this charger, I'm curious as well. (EDIT: As Ozta pointed out, this charger can connect to a NEMA 14-50 outlet without hardwiring.)
That said, to use the $475 Tesla charger with a non-Tesla, you have to get a Tesla to J1772 adapter which can cost anywhere from $50 on Temu to $150+ depending on the brand.
For high voltage charging, I'd probably avoid Temu and prefer one that is ideally NRTL listed.
Otherwise, you'd have to get the $550 Tesla charger that has a J1772 plug that will work for most other EVs in market. That makes this charger quite compelling from a cost perspective.
Broader adoption of Tesla's NACS plug is a good consideration. For some, that could be worth the premium even if it means using adapters for their non-Tesla EVs until 2025.
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The Tesla Wall Connector achieves 48A charging through hardwire connection to an electrical panel, unable to be frequently removed/easily swapped out. Tesla has a more "mobile" type charger called their mobile connector currently sold by Tesla achieving 32A charge capability via. plugging into a NEMA 14-50 outlet (looks like a drier outlet). This specific charge achieves "the best of both worlds". Also this charger can be purchased through Costco and therefore you will have a very easy warranty/return process if anything going wrong down the road.
"...plugging into a NEMA 14-50 outlet (looks like a drier outlet)..."
Well, not quite.
Before 1993, not even close.
After 1993, that "dryer" receptacle could actually be a NEMA 14-30r, which is the correct receptacle for 30 Amps.
An electric stove would be a NEMA 14-50. (or a 50A campground receptacle.)
Can someone please educate me why I should buy this charger when I can buy the Tesla charger for 475 regular price and the Tesla charger has 48 amp charging capacity. I understand that not everyone has a Tesla but my understanding is you can also use Tesla to charge non-Tesla. Moreover, other cars are moving over to Tesla charging standard in next two years.
Ignoring everything wrong about your post that's already been semi corrected, this is one of the few chargers that is Energy Star and smart that utility companies accept for their programs. It's eligible for upfront rebates and peak demand throttling incentives
Can someone please educate me why I should buy this charger when I can buy the Tesla charger for 475 regular price and the Tesla charger has 48 amp charging capacity. I understand that not everyone has a Tesla but my understanding is you can also use Tesla to charge non-Tesla. Moreover, other cars are moving over to Tesla charging standard in next two years.
Tesla wall connector is hard wired vs juice box is a plug in 240v outlet. A juice box also qualifies for local electric company's evse incentive, mine is $500 rebate making this free. Some EV can't even draw 48amp of charge making the higher charging rate useless.
It seems the Amazon version has a 25 foot cable, but the Costco version is only 20 feet? Is it possible to get a longer cable or are you stuck with the included one?
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It seems the Amazon version has a 25 foot cable, but the Costco version is only 20 feet? Is it possible to get a longer cable or are you stuck with the included one?
Can someone please educate me why I should buy this charger when I can buy the Tesla charger for 475 regular price and the Tesla charger has 48 amp charging capacity. I understand that not everyone has a Tesla but my understanding is you can also use Tesla to charge non-Tesla. Moreover, other cars are moving over to Tesla charging standard in next two years.
You can actually get the Tesla Wall Connector for much cheaper than 475, people are selling them for about 300-350 on Facebook Marketplace due to getting them for free from referring a new Tesla buyer.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
You can actually get the Tesla Wall Connector for much cheaper than 475, people are selling them for about 300-350 on Facebook Marketplace due to getting them for free from referring a new Tesla buyer.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which will be standard on most electric vehicles by 2025. If you got this deal now, you would need an adapter for most cars in the future.
You can actually get the Tesla Wall Connector for much cheaper than 475, people are selling them for about 300-350 on Facebook Marketplace due to getting them for free from referring a new Tesla buyer.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
Off topic but recent Tesla app updates show updates for the Tesla WC. Don't have a Tesla WC myself but interesting to see Tesla finally update the WC firmware … prob to integrate with Tesla Powerwall and Solar… have you updated the firmware on the Tesla WC?
You can actually get the Tesla Wall Connector for much cheaper than 475, people are selling them for about 300-350 on Facebook Marketplace due to getting them for free from referring a new Tesla buyer.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
6 awg copper wire should be able to handle 60 amp.
As a side, all of these chargers are just power delivery devices like a wall charger for your phone. And like your phone, the actual charger is built into the car. Just because I plugged my phone into a 100 watt wall charger, it does not mean I'm getting 100 watt on my phone. Similarly, the car charger determined the max power. Most ev now can't take more than. 40amp ac. Not sure if there is a need for future proof either as you would keep your car for much longer than traditional electronics and may need to replace the wall charger anyway by the time you get a new car. Maybe running a lower gauge cable than you need now if you are paying someone to do it? Just my 2c.
I have the original juice box and while it used to be good. The recent change to enel x app is horrendous. Look up the reviews in app/play store. Dumb app always needs to resume no matter what setting you put it under. Plug and charge, need open app to resume. Smart charging need to open app to resume. If this new version requires the app, you are going to want to throw it out. I'm probably going to swap it with the Tesla mobile charger even though I need to buy nema 14-50 adapter and its slower and not even rated for 24/7 outdoor use, I'd rather just have something that works.
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Off topic but recent Tesla app updates show updates for the Tesla WC. Don't have a Tesla WC myself but interesting to see Tesla finally update the WC firmware … prob to integrate with Tesla Powerwall and Solar… have you updated the firmware on the Tesla WC?
It's sort of an underwhelming update. It does allow you to actually update the WC much more easily as opposed to that old antiquated method of connecting it to wifi, putting in the ip address manually, and using a rudimentary web app. Other than that nothing crazy. Maybe solar users can chime in with additional info.
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That said, to use the $475 Tesla charger with a non-Tesla, you have to get a Tesla to J1772 adapter which can cost anywhere from $50 on Temu to $150+ depending on the brand.
For high voltage charging, I'd probably avoid Temu and prefer one that is ideally NRTL listed.
Otherwise, you'd have to get the $550 Tesla charger that has a J1772 plug that will work for most other EVs in market. That makes this charger quite compelling from a cost perspective.
Broader adoption of Tesla's NACS plug is a good consideration. For some, that could be worth the premium even if it means using adapters for their non-Tesla EVs until 2025.
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Well, not quite.
Before 1993, not even close.
After 1993, that "dryer" receptacle could actually be a NEMA 14-30r, which is the correct receptacle for 30 Amps.
An electric stove would be a NEMA 14-50. (or a 50A campground receptacle.)
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In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
In terms of differences, Tesla Charger obviously has Tesla's NACS connector, which currently only is on Teslas. If you got a non-Tesla now, you would need an adapter. There is a button on the Tesla WC that auto opens the charge port of a Tesla. The Tesla WC is hard wired, but you can easily DIY a plug for ~$30. FYI, Tesla WC only has 3 wires, so NEMA 6-50 is better than a NEMA 14-50 plug. 48 amps means you need 60 amp breaker, which most likely also means you'll need 4 AWG wire, whereas 40 amps max/50 amp breaker, you could get away with 6 AWG wiring (assuming you're installing new wire/breaker). You don't REALLY need 48 amps unless you need to car fully charged within say 6 hours. For most people, 40 amps is more than enough. Hell, even a 32 amp tesla mobile connector is enough for most people, and now you have a super portable charger.
Edit: Other differences include cable length obviously. But another big thing is apps. Tesla app will be different than the Juicebox app. But I rarely use either since my Tesla can control the actual charging speed/times.
As a side, all of these chargers are just power delivery devices like a wall charger for your phone. And like your phone, the actual charger is built into the car. Just because I plugged my phone into a 100 watt wall charger, it does not mean I'm getting 100 watt on my phone. Similarly, the car charger determined the max power. Most ev now can't take more than. 40amp ac. Not sure if there is a need for future proof either as you would keep your car for much longer than traditional electronics and may need to replace the wall charger anyway by the time you get a new car. Maybe running a lower gauge cable than you need now if you are paying someone to do it? Just my 2c.
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