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Speaking from someone who has an RTX 3050, please look else where. Don't make the same mistake I did. I mean, it's fine for me, I'm content with it, it gives me the ability to use machine learning tools with davinci resolve and other tools which is awesome but try to get at the very minimum an RTX 3060 12GB
It's similar to a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1660 ti with 8gb vram plus the ai and rtx stuff but it's pretty weak for gaming. At 1080p on beamng drive I can maybe get normal medium settings 60-85fps
Speaking from someone who has an RTX 3050, please look else where. Don't make the same mistake I did. I mean, it's fine for me, I'm content with it, it gives me the ability to use machine learning tools with davinci resolve and other tools which is awesome but try to get at the very minimum an RTX 3060 12GB
Can you elaborate on what it is bad at that would want m to get a 3060?
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Can you elaborate on what it is bad at that would want m to get a 3060?
Tom's Hardware has a GPU hierarchy where you can compare different cards. These days, the 3050 is considered to be a basic, entry-level card - sufficient for productivity apps and basic games but certainly not the high level stuff:
A lot of the comments here are people assuming everyone is buying this to play the latest highest demanding games and trying to steer people away from buying this without fully explaining why.
There are a lot of folks (parents especially) who my just want a pretty good computer for their kids to play fortnite or roblox. Or maybe someone want something to run emulation (Xbox, PS3, Virtual Pinball, etc). This computer will more than do the job for that.
How can one tell from looking at numbers of a video card model if it's good or not?
That's what benchmarks are for.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of niche segments of gamers that (imo) have ruined how straightforward it used to be to determine what a good card should be capable of. And you will come to find they don't know how to not interject with their niche requirements on every thread.
If you've played PC games anytime between the early 90s up until the early 2010s, the defining qualities were always a consistent (but not necessarily performative or exorbitant) framerate and the ability to display the game as the developer intended (essentially, the graphics settings a majority of players would use).
At the end of the day, you could simply figure out what the game required and then purchase those components to play the game.
I would recommend attempting to do the same with this current generation of games or simply buy a console, because the amount of nuances and doubt of whether you spent enough for a high end system is enough to make your head spin.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of niche segments of gamers that (imo) have ruined how straightforward it used to be to determine what a good card should be capable of. And you will come to find they don't know how to not interject with their niche requirements on every thread.
If you've played PC games anytime between the early 90s up until the early 2010s, the defining qualities were always a consistent (but not necessarily performative or exorbitant) framerate and the ability to display the game as the developer intended (essentially, the graphics settings a majority of players would use).
At the end of the day, you could simply figure out what the game required and then purchase those components to play the game.
I would recommend attempting to do the same with this current generation of games or simply buy a console, because the amount of nuances and doubt of whether you spent enough for a high end system is enough to make your head spin.
Wow. Thank you for the explanation but I am one of those users who is planning to buy a pre-built gaming desktop system NOT for the express purpose of playing modern PC games but rather just to have an everyday system. I just need the video card to be able to drive a 4k monitor. If I were to play any games, they would probably be at least 5 years old.
Wow. Thank you for the explanation but I am one of those users who is planning to buy a pre-built gaming desktop system NOT for the express purpose of playing modern PC games but rather just to have an everyday system. I just need the video card to be able to drive a 4k monitor. If I were to play any games, they would probably be at least 5 years old.
In that case, the graphics card in this will serve your purpose when it comes to 4K displays (it should be able to run at least 3 of them simultaneously).
Even for 5 year old games, you might have to concede at running games in 1080P with most of the graphics quality settings on medium or high, with more leaning toward high. Of course, this depends on the game.
If this is going to be an appliance rather than something you might throw upgrades at over time, then some of the inclusions are pretty bog standard and might depreciate pretty quickly depending on the software you run.
For instance, I know that at this point Photoshop is really starting to like having 32GB of RAM over 16GB.
That's something you can upgrade later on, but it might be more cost effective to aim for a system that has it already (and with DDR5 over the DDR4 in this to stay ahead of the curve).
One other important thing to note is that the original MSRP they quoted is pretty overstated due to graphics card markups from over a year ago.This seems to be a trend across the board, so it's important to look up the individual components for reference.
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A lot of the comments here are people assuming everyone is buying this to play the latest highest demanding games and trying to steer people away from buying this without fully explaining why.
There are a lot of folks (parents especially) who my just want a pretty good computer for their kids to play fortnite or roblox. Or maybe someone want something to run emulation (Xbox, PS3, Virtual Pinball, etc). This computer will more than do the job for that.
Sure, someone just wanting to throw some money at a low end system doesn't care about min-maxing, can spend the money on this and have it do what they want.
But you can get Lenovo refurbs with 3060's for this price, or new systems with 3060 for not much more. If you have a Microcenter nearby you can get one for $700 with a 5600x3d, which is a better CPU than any non-x3d AM5 CPUs, and a 6650xt which is slightly better than a 3060.
This GPU just isn't a good performance value, regardless if it'll do what you want it to do.
A lot of the comments here are people assuming everyone is buying this to play the latest highest demanding games and trying to steer people away from buying this without fully explaining why.
There are a lot of folks (parents especially) who my just want a pretty good computer for their kids to play fortnite or roblox. Or maybe someone want something to run emulation (Xbox, PS3, Virtual Pinball, etc). This computer will more than do the job for that.
you can also dfo those simple task with RYZEN apu MINI pcS.... which are cheaper
Wow. Thank you for the explanation but I am one of those users who is planning to buy a pre-built gaming desktop system NOT for the express purpose of playing modern PC games but rather just to have an everyday system. I just need the video card to be able to drive a 4k monitor. If I were to play any games, they would probably be at least 5 years old.
get mini PC or anything that is cheaper and not gamer.... running basic tasks at 4K is not hard for most modern CPUs
Wow. Thank you for the explanation but I am one of those users who is planning to buy a pre-built gaming desktop system NOT for the express purpose of playing modern PC games but rather just to have an everyday system. I just need the video card to be able to drive a 4k monitor. If I were to play any games, they would probably be at least 5 years old.
If all you need is video to drive a monitor and you don't play games at all then you do not need an addin video card at all. You dont' need a 'gaming' system with a video card to just drive a 4k monitor. Any modern integrated video will work perfectly fine for that. With this system the RTX 3050 card is overkill for you and you'd be paying extra for that card that you dont' need.
For a non-gaming system here's an example :
Pretty similar specs but no video card for $550 : https://www.costco.com/acer-aspir...17573.html
Now you did say "if I were to play games" so sounds like gaming is a possibility for you so if thats the case then this system with teh 3050 would probably be fine if you really do think you might play some games. Integrated video can handle some games but they are weak in that regard and you're struggling at low settings on most if you can play them at all. My integrated video could play Minecraft fine for my sone and I could manage in Fallout 4 at low resolution and lower fps but htats about it. But if gaming is not too likely you could probably get a system without a video card then maybe add in a video card later if you do decide you want to play games. Though a lot of OEM prebuilts are limited on what video card upgrades they can take, so thats not always an easy slamdunk upgrade.
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It's similar to a GTX 1070 or a GTX 1660 ti with 8gb vram plus the ai and rtx stuff but it's pretty weak for gaming. At 1080p on beamng drive I can maybe get normal medium settings 60-85fps
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There are a lot of folks (parents especially) who my just want a pretty good computer for their kids to play fortnite or roblox. Or maybe someone want something to run emulation (Xbox, PS3, Virtual Pinball, etc). This computer will more than do the job for that.
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Unfortunately, there's a lot of niche segments of gamers that (imo) have ruined how straightforward it used to be to determine what a good card should be capable of. And you will come to find they don't know how to not interject with their niche requirements on every thread.
If you've played PC games anytime between the early 90s up until the early 2010s, the defining qualities were always a consistent (but not necessarily performative or exorbitant) framerate and the ability to display the game as the developer intended (essentially, the graphics settings a majority of players would use).
At the end of the day, you could simply figure out what the game required and then purchase those components to play the game.
I would recommend attempting to do the same with this current generation of games or simply buy a console, because the amount of nuances and doubt of whether you spent enough for a high end system is enough to make your head spin.
Unfortunately, there's a lot of niche segments of gamers that (imo) have ruined how straightforward it used to be to determine what a good card should be capable of. And you will come to find they don't know how to not interject with their niche requirements on every thread.
If you've played PC games anytime between the early 90s up until the early 2010s, the defining qualities were always a consistent (but not necessarily performative or exorbitant) framerate and the ability to display the game as the developer intended (essentially, the graphics settings a majority of players would use).
At the end of the day, you could simply figure out what the game required and then purchase those components to play the game.
I would recommend attempting to do the same with this current generation of games or simply buy a console, because the amount of nuances and doubt of whether you spent enough for a high end system is enough to make your head spin.
Even for 5 year old games, you might have to concede at running games in 1080P with most of the graphics quality settings on medium or high, with more leaning toward high. Of course, this depends on the game.
If this is going to be an appliance rather than something you might throw upgrades at over time, then some of the inclusions are pretty bog standard and might depreciate pretty quickly depending on the software you run.
For instance, I know that at this point Photoshop is really starting to like having 32GB of RAM over 16GB.
That's something you can upgrade later on, but it might be more cost effective to aim for a system that has it already (and with DDR5 over the DDR4 in this to stay ahead of the curve).
One other important thing to note is that the original MSRP they quoted is pretty overstated due to graphics card markups from over a year ago.This seems to be a trend across the board, so it's important to look up the individual components for reference.
There are a lot of folks (parents especially) who my just want a pretty good computer for their kids to play fortnite or roblox. Or maybe someone want something to run emulation (Xbox, PS3, Virtual Pinball, etc). This computer will more than do the job for that.
But you can get Lenovo refurbs with 3060's for this price, or new systems with 3060 for not much more. If you have a Microcenter nearby you can get one for $700 with a 5600x3d, which is a better CPU than any non-x3d AM5 CPUs, and a 6650xt which is slightly better than a 3060.
This GPU just isn't a good performance value, regardless if it'll do what you want it to do.
There are a lot of folks (parents especially) who my just want a pretty good computer for their kids to play fortnite or roblox. Or maybe someone want something to run emulation (Xbox, PS3, Virtual Pinball, etc). This computer will more than do the job for that.
sop that's a terrible point
If all you need is video to drive a monitor and you don't play games at all then you do not need an addin video card at all. You dont' need a 'gaming' system with a video card to just drive a 4k monitor. Any modern integrated video will work perfectly fine for that. With this system the RTX 3050 card is overkill for you and you'd be paying extra for that card that you dont' need.
For a non-gaming system here's an example :
Pretty similar specs but no video card for $550 :
https://www.costco.com/acer-aspir...17573.h
Now you did say "if I were to play games" so sounds like gaming is a possibility for you so if thats the case then this system with teh 3050 would probably be fine if you really do think you might play some games. Integrated video can handle some games but they are weak in that regard and you're struggling at low settings on most if you can play them at all. My integrated video could play Minecraft fine for my sone and I could manage in Fallout 4 at low resolution and lower fps but htats about it. But if gaming is not too likely you could probably get a system without a video card then maybe add in a video card later if you do decide you want to play games. Though a lot of OEM prebuilts are limited on what video card upgrades they can take, so thats not always an easy slamdunk upgrade.
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