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Costco Members: Apple Mac Mini Desktop w/ M2 Pro Chip, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD

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Costco Wholesale has for their Members:  Apple Mac Mini Desktop Computer w/ M2 Pro Chip (MNH73LL/A; Silver) on sale for $1099.99. Shipping is free.

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Specs/Key Features:
  • Apple M2 Pro Chip 10-Core CPU
  • 16-Core GPU
  • 16-Core Neural Engine
  • 512GB Solid State Drive SSD
  • 16GB Unified RAM/Memory
  • Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) + Bluetooth 5.3
  • 7.7" Ultracompact Design
  • Mac OS Ventura
    • Ports:
      • 4x Thunderbolt 4
      • 2x USB-A 3.1 Gen 1
      • 1x HDMI
      • 1x Gigabit/10Gb Ethernet
      • 1x Headphone jack

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Costco Wholesale has for their Members:  Apple Mac Mini Desktop Computer w/ M2 Pro Chip (MNH73LL/A; Silver) on sale for $1099.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Community Member mstgkillr for finding this deal

Specs/Key Features:
  • Apple M2 Pro Chip 10-Core CPU
  • 16-Core GPU
  • 16-Core Neural Engine
  • 512GB Solid State Drive SSD
  • 16GB Unified RAM/Memory
  • Wi-Fi 6E (802.11ax) + Bluetooth 5.3
  • 7.7" Ultracompact Design
  • Mac OS Ventura
    • Ports:
      • 4x Thunderbolt 4
      • 2x USB-A 3.1 Gen 1
      • 1x HDMI
      • 1x Gigabit/10Gb Ethernet
      • 1x Headphone jack

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Nov 16, 2023 6:40 PM
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myadidas1981Nov 16, 2023 6:40 PM
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This is more than enough computer for most people. Still rocking an 8GB/256 GB M1 mini, and that's still plenty fast for 95% of the stuff I need it to do.

Quote from flybywiretl View quoted comment :
It basically means the system memory (RAM), 16 GB in this case, is shared between the central processor (cpu) and the graphics processor (gpu). In a traditional computer, the cpu and gpu would typically have their own dedicated RAM to access and are walled off from one another. With Apple's M chip, the cpu and gpu share the same pool of RAM.

Here's an article that explains how that works:

https://www.trustedreviews.com/ex...ry-4340912
And THIS is how you respond to someone.
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Nov 16, 2023 6:41 PM
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flybywiretlNov 16, 2023 6:41 PM
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Quote from purebear View quoted comment :
It was at this price about 1 year ago, no deal.
It is a deal for someone who may be looking to buy a Mac Mini at THIS point in time.
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Nov 16, 2023 6:41 PM
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SeniorLNov 16, 2023 6:41 PM
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Quote from aegrotatio View quoted comment :
It's Apple's new name for very old tech where the graphics system uses part of your system RAM.
If you were only interested in the fact that the memory pool comes from the unified memory pool then yes.. but it's more complex than that, it's an actual different architecture that has performance benefits.

https://www.makeuseof.com/what-is...ed-memory/

I wouldn't really buy into the marketing that 8GB is enough in 2023 but the software does allow for more efficient use of memory so you can't compare it to windows or even linux directly.
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Nov 16, 2023 6:59 PM
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paisawasoolNov 16, 2023 6:59 PM
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For people like me who were wondering how many monitors can this drive:
Mac mini (2023) with M2 Pro chip supports up to three external displays simultaneously, depending on the resolution (up to 8K) and refresh rate (up to 240Hz) of each external display.

One external display
Supports one external display in any one of these configurations:
One display up to 8K at 60Hz (or 4K at 240Hz) over HDMI
One display up to 6K at 60Hz over Thunderbolt

Two external displays
Supports two external displays in any one of these configurations:
Two displays up to 6K at 60Hz over Thunderbolt
One display up to 6K at 60Hz over Thunderbolt, and one display up to 4K at 144Hz over HDMI

Three external displays
Supports three external displays in this configuration:
Two displays up to 6K at 60Hz over Thunderbolt, and one display up to 4K at 60Hz over HDMI
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Nov 16, 2023 7:40 PM
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larnatdadNov 16, 2023 7:40 PM
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I have this, but the 8gb, 256gb version, it's a great little computer, but continues to have Wi-Fi issues as so many do. Also it's nuts that Apple charges $500 to double the RAM and storage, it's highway robbery! NM I have the regular M2 version.
Last edited by larnatdad November 16, 2023 at 11:42 AM.
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Nov 16, 2023 8:32 PM
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bd75Nov 16, 2023 8:32 PM
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Quote from SlickPlastic5185 View quoted comment :
I bet apple will skip the m3 model for this like they skipped the m2 model for the iMac since it was updated recently
Not likely as building Apple software still requires Apple hardware, so these get use in data centers for cloud providers offering Mac build solutions. That's why these got 10G Ethernet awhile back.
Nov 16, 2023 8:58 PM
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blueman123Nov 16, 2023 8:58 PM
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Quote from AmusedMoon6137 View quoted comment :
Well at least no 8GB debates in this thread : )
I am still waiting for the "at this price, expect 6tb of ram, otherwise by 2072 this piece of crap will be outdated"

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Nov 16, 2023 9:10 PM
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mm-chiNov 16, 2023 9:10 PM
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Quote from myadidas1981 View quoted comment :
This is more than enough computer for most people. Still rocking an 8GB/256 GB M1 mini, and that's still plenty fast for 95% of the stuff I need it to do.



And THIS is how you respond to someone.
I agree with this post… I'm still using the M1 version with eight gig of ram and 256 gig of storage. Paying double the price for the extra memory and storage doesn't really seem worth it.
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Nov 16, 2023 9:18 PM
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elefante72Nov 16, 2023 9:18 PM
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Quote from wannabecheap View quoted comment :
Can someone please explain what "unified" means when describing the memory? Thank you.
This equals Apple charging hundreds of dollars for non-replaceable or expandable fast DDR5 RAM that they put a lid over it and called it unified because there is NO dedicated RAM for video it is all shared. The only difference is they use high bandwidth connections versus a PC which may not have the speed/bandwidth however the graphics card on the PC does and has its own VRAM. So the speed is closer to VRAM but it is not dedicated so if you use graphics intensive programs you are going to have an issue (I did). So I bought a 16 GB to scrape by for most of my pipeline.

So when folks say 8 GB is enough it is not unless you are using your mini as a chromebook or light duty and a few applications. I have this mac mini (16 GB) and with 4 applications open I am using 12 GB and it was also not fast enough for my transcoding and graphics pipeline so I had to dust off my old PC, put linux on it and buy an Intel ARC card which has two media engines in it.

The big difference in the regular vs pro is the media/graphics capabilities (among external monitor support) but even that cannot beat a $120 Intel ARC card because no Apple processor (even the m3) has hardware AV1 enc support and the media engines (Apple toolbox) still cannot hold a candle in 3D processing or transcoding as a $200-$300 GPU.

Apple's max processors (which are like 2 processors bolted together) are really super in both processing/graphics but those machines are quite pricy.



So you want to play a modern game that takes 12 Gig of VRAM on a 8GB mac, nope.
Last edited by elefante72 November 16, 2023 at 01:21 PM.
Nov 16, 2023 9:25 PM
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SDSummerDayNov 16, 2023 9:25 PM
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Quote from SeniorL View quoted comment :
If you were only interested in the fact that the memory pool comes from the unified memory pool then yes.. but it's more complex than that, it's an actual different architecture that has performance benefits.

https://www.makeuseof.com/what-is...ed-memory/

I wouldn't really buy into the marketing that 8GB is enough in 2023 but the software does allow for more efficient use of memory so you can't compare it to windows or even linux directly.
man. i guess anyone can write tech articles nowadays... that page, which i read, has next nothing in term of explain why it has performance benefits. it is akin to saying it is good because it is good. the only sentence in the entire article that somewhat explain the benefit is

"Instead, the CPU and GPU cores can access the same memory from the same resource avoiding the needs for data to be communicated between different memory locations. The result is improved performance and efficiency."

which is no difference than what intel and AMD did for years for their integrated graphics, if one were to read from paragraph alone.

the performance gain of the unified memory largely came from the removal of the memory bus. in tradition system, memory is controlled by a system bus which is separated form CPU and GPU. the bus controller issues system interrupt when CPU needs data in memory or screen needs to be refreshed, which also pauses other part of system while one task is performed. causing delay.

to eliminate buses and interrupts, RAM are build in to components such as GPU (so screen refresh doesn't require system bus anymore). apple silicon are similar in that sense that they don't have system bus, the memory is directly addressable from CPU and no interrupts is generated when CPU needs data from memory. also, due to elimination of system memory bus, the throughput of memory can be improved.

while the article did mention about "access the same memory from the same resource avoiding the needs for data to be communicated between different memory locations". this is not a common work load. There are unique applications that can utilize this feature IF that application requires both CPU and GPU to address the same set of large data in memory, but that's quite a unique set of application. for instance... say you process deep learning which the GPU is great at because at because the problem is massive amount of simple vector calculation. you would normally need to use CPU and CPU memory to prep the data, and copy that data to GPU's memory (CUDA for example), and then do calculation with GPU, and copy that information from GPU memory and back to the CPU memory. unified memory help you to avoid coping process by allowing GPU and CPU to address the same block of memory.

but in most other type of work, GPU and CPU don't NEED to process the same type of data in volume large enough for copy process to become an issue.
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Nov 16, 2023 9:39 PM
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PurpleCatfish3833Nov 16, 2023 9:39 PM
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Can't determine if this has the 10GB ethernet or not..... anyone confirmed?
Nov 16, 2023 9:46 PM
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flybywiretlNov 16, 2023 9:46 PM
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Quote from PurpleCatfish3833 View quoted comment :
Can't determine if this has the 10GB ethernet or not..... anyone confirmed?
This is 1 Gb. You need to go up to the Studio in order to get 10 Gb Ethernet.
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Nov 16, 2023 9:47 PM
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SeniorLNov 16, 2023 9:47 PM
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Quote from seanleeforever View quoted comment :
man. i guess anyone can write tech articles nowadays... that page, which i read, has next nothing in term of explain why it has performance benefits. it is akin to saying it is good because it is good. the only sentence in the entire article that somewhat explain the benefit is

"Instead, the CPU and GPU cores can access the same memory from the same resource avoiding the needs for data to be communicated between different memory locations. The result is improved performance and efficiency."

which is no difference than what intel and AMD did for years for their integrated graphics, if one were to read from paragraph alone.

the performance gain of the unified memory largely came from the removal of the memory bus. in tradition system, memory is controlled by a system bus which is separated form CPU and GPU. the bus controller issues system interrupt when CPU needs data in memory or screen needs to be refreshed, which also pauses other part of system while one task is performed. causing delay.

to eliminate buses and interrupts, RAM are build in to components such as GPU (so screen refresh doesn't require system bus anymore). apple silicon are similar in that sense that they don't have system bus, the memory is directly addressable from CPU and no interrupts is generated when CPU needs data from memory. also, due to elimination of system memory bus, the throughput of memory can be improved.

while the article did mention about "access the same memory from the same resource avoiding the needs for data to be communicated between different memory locations". this is not a common work load. There are unique applications that can utilize this feature IF that application requires both CPU and GPU to address the same set of large data in memory, but that's quite a unique set of application. for instance... say you process deep learning which the GPU is great at because at because the problem is massive amount of simple vector calculation. you would normally need to use CPU and CPU memory to prep the data, and copy that data to GPU's memory (CUDA for example), and then do calculation with GPU, and copy that information from GPU memory and back to the CPU memory. unified memory help you to avoid coping process by allowing GPU and CPU to address the same block of memory.

but in most other type of work, GPU and CPU don't NEED to process the same type of data in volume large enough for copy process to become an issue.
Yeah, they left some stuff out but honestly my main interest and reason for using that article is the pipeline diagram(s) (you can argue they only had 1 pipeline diagram lol but it serves the purpose). Unfortunately they didn't actually actually address it directly either.

My personal points
  1. Yes, shared video memory, but this ain't northbridge integrated graphics from 20 years ago
  2. Yes, undisputed better performance when compared to the intel Macs, and part of that is due to the memory architecture
  3. No, it's not entirely apple money grubbing for cheap ram. The modules are soldered right next to the processor, and they are high performance to boot. Is it worth the premium for 16GB? debatable, but at least there is a factual increase in bill of material here
Last edited by SeniorL November 16, 2023 at 01:49 PM.
Nov 16, 2023 10:12 PM
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elefante72Nov 16, 2023 10:12 PM
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Quote from PurpleCatfish3833 View quoted comment :
Can't determine if this has the 10GB ethernet or not..... anyone confirmed?
No but there is a 10 gig option for $100 more. I bought mine w/ it, but not sure if it is discounted. In Apple terms this is a good "deal" because otherwise you are looking at a thunderbolt 10gig which is like $300+

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Nov 16, 2023 10:40 PM
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elefante72Nov 16, 2023 10:40 PM
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Quote from SeniorL View quoted comment :
Yeah, they left some stuff out but honestly my main interest and reason for using that article is the pipeline diagram(s) (you can argue they only had 1 pipeline diagram lol but it serves the purpose). Unfortunately they didn't actually actually address it directly either.

My personal points
  1. Yes, shared video memory, but this ain't northbridge integrated graphics from 20 years ago
  2. Yes, undisputed better performance when compared to the intel Macs, and part of that is due to the memory architecture
  3. No, it's not entirely apple money grubbing for cheap ram. The modules are soldered right next to the processor, and they are high performance to boot. Is it worth the premium for 16GB? debatable, but at least there is a factual increase in bill of material here
All valid points, but this isn't some magic here. The RAM in the "unified memory" in the link. It is fast and voltage controlled by the IC and the memory bandwidth is constrained to 100,200,400 in regular, pro, max (in m2). Don't know about m3 but it seems to be a relative tock if you want to use Intel parlance. This memory is almost as fast as VRAM (with interconnect bandwidth to match) so one could argue this is a better architecture (share mem/vram) versus separate. I would say 100% if 32G was priced reasonably, at 8GB no -- 16 OK I guess.

https://news.skhynix.com/meet-the...t-lpddr5x/

​I have read some articles on the Mac being able to take advantage of what would normally be considered "vram" and copy into RAM but this is not normal to share GPU and gen memory pages and I do not know the capabilities of the neural engine w/ tensor or LLM, but I don't think that is their main focus. What we can probably agree is that Apple grossly overpriced relative commodity RAM and SSD at least 10-20x, soldiered them on to make them e-waste, and then uses a lot of marketing terms about sustainability when they are the furthest thing from it.

For me the Apple mobile solutions are superior by far so I paid the extra bucks for the m1pro and the performance and battery life are #1. First modern laptop I have ever loved (outside of the old IBM tanks). As to the mac mini m2pro I also bought an intel 12650H mini PC for $400 that is just as fast as it and expandable so it is debatable on the performance benefit there--in a PC format. The Intel ME is fast so I pipeline that in Linux for certain apps w/ automation. That is not average user stuff, so I see the allure of a nice Apple cube.
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