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expiredmissourian posted Nov 24, 2023 04:30 PM
expiredmissourian posted Nov 24, 2023 04:30 PM

Midea 24000 BTU Mini Split AC/Heating system, 208/230V, 18.5 SEER2 - $899

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Great Price. Most of the Mini Split except Mitsubishi, Fujitsu, Daikin, and LG. They all made by Midea or Gree

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Great Price. Most of the Mini Split except Mitsubishi, Fujitsu, Daikin, and LG. They all made by Midea or Gree

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18K - $706 after applying $660 Coupon
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Nov 24, 2023 04:35 PM
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bluSCALE4Nov 24, 2023 04:35 PM
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I've been eyeing these as well but not ideal for colder climates. Won't work well below 5 degrees; looking at your Jan, Feb Chicago.
Nov 24, 2023 05:07 PM
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porshuhNov 24, 2023 05:07 PM
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I don't really like the lack of efficiency in heat pumps below about 30*F. Just nature of the beast. However my Hisense window ac with heat pump has been AMAZING for heating when outside temps are above 40*F. A truly amazing amount of heat per amount of energy used.
Nov 24, 2023 05:09 PM
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bwag711Nov 24, 2023 05:09 PM
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Are these pre charged? If so what type of refrigerant is used? Couldn't find it on the product page. Thanks
Nov 24, 2023 05:15 PM
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65fastback22Nov 24, 2023 05:15 PM
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Quote from bluSCALE4 :
I've been eyeing these as well but not ideal for colder climates. Won't work well below 5 degrees; looking at your Jan, Feb Chicago.
That's not true. Most have 80% heating capacity down to -20
Nov 24, 2023 05:16 PM
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65fastback22Nov 24, 2023 05:16 PM
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Quote from porshuh :
I don't really like the lack of efficiency in heat pumps below about 30*F. Just nature of the beast. However my Hisense window ac with heat pump has been AMAZING for heating when outside temps are above 40*F. A truly amazing amount of heat per amount of energy used.
That's old. They work superb down to 0 and most retain most their efficiency down to -20 or -30 these days
Nov 24, 2023 05:55 PM
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LeasedJetNov 24, 2023 05:55 PM
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Quote from porshuh :
I don't really like the lack of efficiency in heat pumps below about 30*F. Just nature of the beast. However my Hisense window ac with heat pump has been AMAZING for heating when outside temps are above 40*F. A truly amazing amount of heat per amount of energy used.
This was true of earlier generations, but modern heat pump efficiency in sub-zero climates has improved significantly, especially those with inverter designs where most function well down to -5F. Some further optimized hyper heat style units remain efficient all the way down to -20F or more. It's important to get one of those versions if that's the climate you're in.

Heat pumps are simply amazing, and they keep getting better.
Nov 24, 2023 06:26 PM
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LeasedJetNov 24, 2023 06:26 PM
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Quote from bwag711 :
Are these pre charged? If so what type of refrigerant is used? Couldn't find it on the product page. Thanks
- All heat pumps condensers come pre-charged, it's how installers know if the unit was not damaged in transit and all internal connections are good. The manufacturer usually pre-charges them with enough refrigerant to support a 15'-25' line set and is specified in the installation manual.

- This unit is R-410A per the listing. Source: scroll all the way down to the bottom to Product Information and click Expand All.

- Important: this particular unit DOES NOT INCLUDE A LINE SET and you may have a very difficult time finding someone to get one and install it for you if you don't want to learn how to DIY. Source: per the listing details: "No installation kits: indoor unit, outdoor condenser, and remote control unit are included only"

This means you will need to acquire your own line set, flare your connections, vacuum it down below 500 microns and hold for 30 mins, and pressure test with nitrogen. The equipment to do all of this can be purchased for around $500-750. The know-how portion can be learned on YouTube but you'll need to invest 10-20 hours to get several perspectives. Short cut: AC Service Tech sells a mini-split installation guide book that explains everything in detail, it runs around $60. Get it. There are plenty of HVAC professionals who have no clue what they're doing with these things so you may very well end up with a better install DIY'ing it the correct way then having a pro do it.

It's hard to find local installers who will do this for you unless it's just some guy trying to make a few extra bucks as a side gig. The reason is these mini splits are seriously cutting in to their business and also because they are of varying quality and don't want all the headaches that go along with them.]

If you don't know the ins-and-outs of how to create quality flares with a method that reduces the chance of micro-gouging on the flare faces or using sealants like Nylog Blue, you should probably do a deep dive or go with a different unit. The line-set installation, preparation and commissioning is the single most important portion of the install that makes or breaks the unit performance and longevity.

Mr. Cool and a few other manufacturers offer pre-charged linesets with connectors that screw-on. They still need be torqued correctly, which many people think they can just do by feel or over-torquing "to be safe", but then leak out all of their refrigerant and blame the manufacturer for their own stupid mistakes.

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Nov 24, 2023 06:39 PM
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bwag711Nov 24, 2023 06:39 PM
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Quote from LeasedJet :
- All heat pumps condensers come pre-charged, it's how installers know if the unit was not damaged in transit and all internal connections are good. The manufacturer usually pre-charges them with enough refrigerant to support a 15'-25' line set and is specified in the installation manual.

- This unit is R-410A per the listing. Source: scroll all the way down to the bottom to Product Information and click Expand All.

- Important: this particular unit DOES NOT INCLUDE A LINE SET and you may have a very difficult time finding someone to get one and install it for you if you don't want to learn how to DIY. Source: per the listing details: "No installation kits: indoor unit, outdoor condenser, and remote control unit are included only"

This means you will need to acquire your own line set, flare your connections, vacuum it down below 500 microns and hold for 30 mins, and pressure test with nitrogen. The equipment to do all of this can be purchased for around $500-750. The know-how portion can be learned on YouTube but you'll need to invest 10-20 hours to get several perspectives. Short cut: AC Service Tech sells a mini-split installation guide book that explains everything in detail, it runs around $60. Get it. There are plenty of HVAC professionals who have no clue what they're doing with these things so you may very well end up with a better install DIY'ing it the correct way then having a pro do it.

It's hard to find local installers who will do this for you unless it's just some guy trying to make a few extra bucks as a side gig. The reason is these mini splits are seriously cutting in to their business and also because they are of varying quality and don't want all the headaches that go along with them.]

If you don't know the ins-and-outs of how to create quality flares with a method that reduces the chance of micro-gouging on the flare faces or using sealants like Nylog Blue, you should probably do a deep dive or go with a different unit. The line-set installation, preparation and commissioning is the single most important portion of the install that makes or breaks the unit performance and longevity.

Mr. Cool and a few other manufacturers offer pre-charged linesets with connectors that screw-on. They still need be torqued correctly, which many people think they can just do by feel or over-torquing "to be safe", but then leak out all of their refrigerant and blame the manufacturer for their own stupid mistakes.
Thanks for the info. I'm familiar with HVAC and Electrical to be able to install this, but seems like when I add the cost of the copper refrigerant line and the wiring it will make this unit much more than other "turn key" units. Is this brand worth the extra cost of say the Costway 18k unit that has gone on sale for around $605?
Nov 24, 2023 07:37 PM
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LeasedJetNov 24, 2023 07:37 PM
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Quote from bwag711 :
Thanks for the info. I'm familiar with HVAC and Electrical to be able to install this, but seems like when I add the cost of the copper refrigerant line and the wiring it will make this unit much more than other "turn key" units. Is this brand worth the extra cost of say the Costway 18k unit that has gone on sale for around $605?
I've never seen a unit that includes any of the electrical wiring, so that's going to be an additional cost regardless of which one you ultimately choose.

I don't know who makes the Costway, or what their warranty/support reputation is like, or what your application and load calculation is so whether the 18k unit is a better value is not something I can answer. Generally you want to know exactly what BTU class you need to be in for your load calc and local temperature extremes and then you find the best model for the best price from there. I wouldn't recommend buying any unit simply because it's on sale, this is a "buy the right quality tool for the job" situation.
Nov 24, 2023 07:47 PM
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bwag711Nov 24, 2023 07:47 PM
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Quote from LeasedJet :
I've never seen a unit that includes any of the electrical wiring, so that's going to be an additional cost regardless of which one you ultimately choose.

I don't know who makes the Costway, or what their warranty/support reputation is like, or what your application and load calculation is so whether the 18k unit is a better value is not something I can answer. Generally you want to know exactly what BTU class you need to be in for your load calc and local temperature extremes and then you find the best model for the best price from there. I wouldn't recommend buying any unit simply because it's on sale, this is a "buy the right quality tool for the job" situation.
Based on manual j calculation 18k should be perfect for my application. Been looking for a couple weeks and haven't seen many deals as of late on mini splits. Think I'll hold out for another deal unless Midea is a worth the extra cost. Thanks
Nov 25, 2023 08:58 AM
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mavalphaNov 25, 2023 08:58 AM
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I have Mitsubishi on half my house and Midea (via Pioneer) on the other. The Midea got us through a few rough winters, but I'll be replacing it with another Mitsubishi when that side gets renovated. The biggest difference is that with the Mitsu, you set "heat to 68" and it actually holds 68 (or as close as it can get if it's overwhelmed). The Midea has a massive swing, so setting 70 drops all the way down to 63/64 before it turns on, runs for a bit to get up to 73, then shuts off and cools again. Same in the summer. I thought it was defective, had the thermostat+controller replaced under warranty, and the new one is doing the same thing. It's not the end of the world, and for less than half the price it's not bad at all, but I'd rather pay more and be comfortable at a steady 68.
Last edited by mavalpha November 25, 2023 at 01:04 AM.

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