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MSI Crosshair 16: 16" FHD+ 144Hz, i7-13620H, RTX 4070, 16GB DDR5, 1TB SSD $1099.99

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  • 16" FHD+ (1920x1200) 16:10, 144Hz, 350-nits, 45% NTSC, Anti-glare, IPS Display, MUX Switch
  • Intel Core i7-13620H Processor (2.4 GHz - 4.9 GHz) 10C/16T, 24MB Cache
  • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU (115W), 8GB GDDR6
  • 16GB (8GB*2) DDR5 5200MHz
  • 1TB NVMe SSD Gen4x4
  • Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201(2*2 ax) + BT 5.2
  • 720p HD Webcam
  • 4 zone RGB keyboard with Anti-Ghost key (99 Key)
  • 4 cell , 90Whr Li-Polymer Battery
  • 5.07 lbs.
  • Model: A13VGK-815US
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen1
    • 1x USB 2.0
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen1 w/DP 1.4
    • 1x HDMI v 2.1 8K@60Hz 4K@120Hz
    • 1x RJ45
    • 1x Audio Combo (1/8")


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SPECS:
  • 16" FHD+ (1920x1200) 16:10, 144Hz, 350-nits, 45% NTSC, Anti-glare, IPS Display, MUX Switch
  • Intel Core i7-13620H Processor (2.4 GHz - 4.9 GHz) 10C/16T, 24MB Cache
  • NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Laptop GPU (115W), 8GB GDDR6
  • 16GB (8GB*2) DDR5 5200MHz
  • 1TB NVMe SSD Gen4x4
  • Intel Wi-Fi 6 AX201(2*2 ax) + BT 5.2
  • 720p HD Webcam
  • 4 zone RGB keyboard with Anti-Ghost key (99 Key)
  • 4 cell , 90Whr Li-Polymer Battery
  • 5.07 lbs.
  • Model: A13VGK-815US
  • Ports:
    • 2x USB 3.2 Gen1
    • 1x USB 2.0
    • 1x USB 3.2 Gen1 w/DP 1.4
    • 1x HDMI v 2.1 8K@60Hz 4K@120Hz
    • 1x RJ45
    • 1x Audio Combo (1/8")


https://www.bestbuy.com/site/msi-...Id=6537000

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Model: MSI - Crosshair 16" 144hz Gaming Laptop - Intel Core i7 - 13620H - 16GB Memory - NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 - 1TB SSD - Black

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Dec 06, 2023 01:14 AM
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AgmeisterDec 06, 2023 01:14 AM
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This looks good. Any concerns? 4070 for ~1k
Dec 06, 2023 02:25 AM
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flamingdragonDec 06, 2023 02:25 AM
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Quote from Agmeister :
This looks good. Any concerns? 4070 for ~1k
less ports, poor screen and battery life but good price. seems similar to the crosshair 15 except for the longer screen
Dec 06, 2023 02:52 AM
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alboiDec 06, 2023 02:52 AM
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Wish they had an i9 variant
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Dec 06, 2023 02:57 AM
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jmunjrDec 06, 2023 02:57 AM
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Yeah the screen is a POS
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Dec 06, 2023 03:14 AM
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kandasamykishoreDec 06, 2023 03:14 AM
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Quote from Agmeister :
This looks good. Any concerns? 4070 for ~1k
4070 but 115W TGP. Not 140
Dec 06, 2023 03:45 AM
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DouglasH7Dec 06, 2023 03:45 AM
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Quote from kandasamykishore :
4070 but 115W TGP. Not 140
The 4070 doesn't improve performance beyond 100watts.
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Dec 06, 2023 04:12 AM
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WalkmyPDec 06, 2023 04:12 AM
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Quote from jmunjr :
Yeah the screen is a POS
Yep. Not really sure why you'd bother even getting a laptop with a screen that bad. MSI seems to have a huge stockpile of those garbage 45% NTSC screens.
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Dec 06, 2023 05:23 AM
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KevoDDec 06, 2023 05:23 AM
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Quote from WalkmyP :
Yep. Not really sure why you'd bother even getting a laptop with a screen that bad. MSI seems to have a huge stockpile of those garbage 45% NTSC screens.
They're trying to sucker people who just see CPU + GPU + cheap price and don't otherwise understand the trash they're buying. That's the MSI special. They're the Nikola of laptop computers
Last edited by KevoD December 5, 2023 at 09:26 PM.
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Dec 06, 2023 11:04 AM
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MichaelM3467Dec 06, 2023 11:04 AM
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Quote from KevoD :
They're trying to sucker people who just see CPU + GPU + cheap price and don't otherwise understand the trash they're buying. That's the MSI special. They're the Nikola of laptop computers
screen typically doesnt matter. most people buying these do mostly ai and other gpu demanding tasks. if they play games they tend to use desktop monitors
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Dec 06, 2023 05:31 PM
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rruffDec 06, 2023 05:31 PM
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Quote from jmunjr :
Yeah the screen is a POS
^ This. Hey, at least this one is 350 nits rather than 250... so you can brighten up those washed out colors if you want!

Whoever it is at MSI who decided to put the crappiest displays possible on every laptop <$2000, needs to get fired.

I don't understand why any of these get upvoted.
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Dec 06, 2023 05:40 PM
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rruffDec 06, 2023 05:40 PM
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Quote from MichaelM3467 :
screen typically doesnt matter. most people buying these do mostly ai and other gpu demanding tasks. if they play games they tend to use desktop monitors
What? This is a gaming laptop. If AI work is your profession, then you sure as hell wouldn't be looking at low budget gaming laptops, which this definitely is. Or do you mean for school, or fun?

4070 laptops with better displays and battery life and full power GPUs have been <$1000 recently.

Quote from DouglasH7 :
The 4070 doesn't improve performance beyond 100watts.
It's ~105-110W actually, and the boost on this will be 15-25W, so when the CPU is being used, the GPU will be 90-100W, so you will lose a little.
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Dec 06, 2023 10:39 PM
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MichaelM3467Dec 06, 2023 10:39 PM
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Quote from rruff :
What? This is a gaming laptop. If AI work is your profession, then you sure as hell wouldn't be looking at low budget gaming laptops, which this definitely is. Or do you mean for school, or fun?

4070 laptops with better displays and battery life and full power GPUs have been
First you clearly aren't in ai. 2nd tons of people use AI products who aren't ai people. I agree people call them gaming laptops and u can use it with a desktop monitor if the screen bothers you. Every Ai expert i know works with cheap gaming laptops or think pads doing the work in the cloud. its cheaper and easier to just run ai tasks locally. You may want to step out of your bubble, you are missing a lot of cool stuff.
Dec 06, 2023 11:38 PM
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rruffDec 06, 2023 11:38 PM
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Quote from MichaelM3467 :
Every Ai expert i know works with cheap gaming laptops or think pads doing the work in the cloud. its cheaper and easier to just run ai tasks locally. You may want to step out of your bubble, you are missing a lot of cool stuff.
In the cloud you can use pretty much anything... but if you are an expert (I take that to mean you make money at this) and running locally, a janky budget laptop makes no sense. You'd have an expensive beast of a desktop.

The bottom line is that the display is important for most people, and this laptop's sucks. If it was $900 or less it might qualify as a good deal for people who don't care, but not at $1100.
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Dec 07, 2023 01:51 AM
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HooktonfonnixDec 07, 2023 01:51 AM
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Don't let the price and specs fool you, this looks like one compromised device

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Dec 07, 2023 02:16 AM
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WalkmyPDec 07, 2023 02:16 AM
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Quote from MichaelM3467 :
First you clearly aren't in ai. 2nd tons of people use AI products who aren't ai people. I agree people call them gaming laptops and u can use it with a desktop monitor if the screen bothers you. Every Ai expert i know works with cheap gaming laptops or think pads doing the work in the cloud. its cheaper and easier to just run ai tasks locally. You may want to step out of your bubble, you are missing a lot of cool stuff.
"Every Ai expert i know works with cheap gaming laptops or think pads doing the work in the cloud" and "cheaper and easier to just run ai tasks locally", lol wat.

lmao okay, as a software engineer, i'm going to go ahead and say sit down, be quiet, and keep your silly buzzwords to yourself. If I needed something powerful and cheap that was going to be constantly hooked up to a monitor, it'd be a desktop, not a crappy laptop.

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