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Mountain Hardwear 65% Off Select Styles: Men's Hicamp Shell Jacket (Trail Dust)

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SaverDaddy
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You clearly do not know what you're talking about.

Mountain Hardwear is renowned in the hiking community for creating one of the lightest down jackets in existence, the Ghost Whisperer, the Ghost Shadow that's on sale here is the synthetic version of that jacket.

Columbia is known by dads for making those $20 fleeces.
SaverDaddy
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The Magma is a down jacket and this is a synthetic jacket. Both synthetic and down have their own use cases so one is not "better" than the other, but in terms of value, down is typically much more expensive.

The magma has chevron baffles and appears to be designed as more of a heavier insulating jacket, while the Ghost Shadow is extremely light and designed to be a trekking jacket.

However, the magma is extremely light as well due to its 850 fill down, which is extremely expensive.

If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma, just on the principal that buying a down jacket with those types of stats will easily cost you 2-$300.
daniel1967
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Respectfully disagree. Down is good for sitting around the fire camp and doing very light work, not hiking... if you sweat just a bit it will hold all that humidity, lose its insulating properties, and keep you miserable in the cold. If you do any kind of activity, even brisk walking, you want synthetics. Just my 2 pennies - I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc. Have been hiking for over 40 years.

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Dec 07, 2023 04:29 PM
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shaneboDec 07, 2023 04:29 PM
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Quote from SaverDaddy :
The Magma is a down jacket and this is a synthetic jacket. Both synthetic and down have their own use cases so one is not "better" than the other, but in terms of value, down is typically much more expensive.

The magma has chevron baffles and appears to be designed as more of a heavier insulating jacket, while the Ghost Shadow is extremely light and designed to be a trekking jacket.

However, the magma is extremely light as well due to its 850 fill down, which is extremely expensive.

If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma, just on the principal that buying a down jacket with those types of stats will easily cost you 2-$300.
I don't have either jacket, but the REI magma looks to be much thicker and warmer than the MH. The magma is comparable to a Patagonia down sweater, while the MH would be comparable to a Patagonia nano puff. I do have both patagonias, and the down sweater is far warmer than the nano puff except when wet. Nano puff is less bulky and may work better as a midlayer.
Dec 07, 2023 05:04 PM
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0fftheGridDec 07, 2023 05:04 PM
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Prevents bears from detecting them on their cycle
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Dec 07, 2023 05:28 PM
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daniel1967Dec 07, 2023 05:28 PM
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Quote from SaverDaddy :
The Magma is a down jacket and this is a synthetic jacket. Both synthetic and down have their own use cases so one is not "better" than the other, but in terms of value, down is typically much more expensive.

The magma has chevron baffles and appears to be designed as more of a heavier insulating jacket, while the Ghost Shadow is extremely light and designed to be a trekking jacket.

However, the magma is extremely light as well due to its 850 fill down, which is extremely expensive.

If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma, just on the principal that buying a down jacket with those types of stats will easily cost you 2-$300.
Respectfully disagree. Down is good for sitting around the fire camp and doing very light work, not hiking... if you sweat just a bit it will hold all that humidity, lose its insulating properties, and keep you miserable in the cold. If you do any kind of activity, even brisk walking, you want synthetics. Just my 2 pennies - I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc. Have been hiking for over 40 years.
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Dec 07, 2023 05:47 PM
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SaverDaddyDec 07, 2023 05:47 PM
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Quote from daniel1967 :
Respectfully disagree. Down is good for sitting around the fire camp and doing very light work, not hiking... if you sweat just a bit it will hold all that humidity, lose its insulating properties, and keep you miserable in the cold. If you do any kind of activity, even brisk walking, you want synthetics. Just my 2 pennies - I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc. Have been hiking for over 40 years.
You actually agreeing with me because I said down and synthetic both have their own use cases and you are demonstrating that.
Dec 07, 2023 05:54 PM
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daniel1967Dec 07, 2023 05:54 PM
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Quote from SaverDaddy :
You actually agreeing with me because I said down and synthetic both have their own use cases and you are demonstrating that.
Well I took your comment "If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma" as recommending down for hiking. I would not do that. But yeah, agree that they both have different uses.
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Dec 07, 2023 06:45 PM
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SawsaDec 07, 2023 06:45 PM
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Quote from SaverDaddy :
The Magma is a down jacket and this is a synthetic jacket. Both synthetic and down have their own use cases so one is not "better" than the other, but in terms of value, down is typically much more expensive.

The magma has chevron baffles and appears to be designed as more of a heavier insulating jacket, while the Ghost Shadow is extremely light and designed to be a trekking jacket.

However, the magma is extremely light as well due to its 850 fill down, which is extremely expensive.

If I was new to hiking, or didn't already have a jacket, I would choose the Magma, just on the principal that buying a down jacket with those types of stats will easily cost you 2-$300.
Thank you for the detailed response. Super educational
Dec 07, 2023 07:21 PM
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FeistyCircle2144Dec 07, 2023 07:21 PM
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Quote from daniel1967 :
Respectfully disagree. Down is good for sitting around the fire camp and doing very light work, not hiking... if you sweat just a bit it will hold all that humidity, lose its insulating properties, and keep you miserable in the cold. If you do any kind of activity, even brisk walking, you want synthetics. Just my 2 pennies - I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc. Have been hiking for over 40 years.
You can still wear down for hiking. I agree that synthetic is prob better if youre doing high intensity stuff but with down it usually has a higher warmth to weight ratio if you are one of those ultralight crowds and packs down smaller. Its not like it'll instantly wet out the moment you start walking lol. Ghost whisperer is very popular with the thru hiking crowd because its one of the lightest and warmest down jackets you can get. I personally think its kinda overhyped tho. Dont have any experience with the ghost shadow but this is the cheapest I've seen it so might be a good option if youre on a budget.

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Dec 07, 2023 08:44 PM
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daniel1967Dec 07, 2023 08:44 PM
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Quote from FeistyCircle2144 :
You can still wear down for hiking. I agree that synthetic is prob better if youre doing high intensity stuff but with down it usually has a higher warmth to weight ratio if you are one of those ultralight crowds and packs down smaller. Its not like it'll instantly wet out the moment you start walking lol. Ghost whisperer is very popular with the thru hiking crowd because its one of the lightest and warmest down jackets you can get. I personally think its kinda overhyped tho. Dont have any experience with the ghost shadow but this is the cheapest I've seen it so might be a good option if youre on a budget.
I have the Ghost Whisperer, actually... Still avoid it when hiking. If you hike more than 1-2 miles (we usually hike 8-10 miles, occasionally 20 miles), unless you are going downhill all the way, or are super skinny, you are going to break a sweat...And that's even without considering possibility of rain.

Are there people who love down jackets and use them for hiking, especially under certain conditions/situations? As you say, absolutely, but for the majority probably they will not work well, most of the time.

I did a quick search and here is what others say. Some like them, but consensus seems that down jackets are not great for hiking (agrees with my experience).
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralig...le_hiking/

Warmth/weight for down is unbeatable, for sure. Not even Primaloft Gold is as good.

Edit. Forgot to say. I DO like Mountain Hardwear. But a problem I have with many Mountain Hardwear jackets, Ghost Whisperer included, is that their hoods are very large and have no adjustment. In the winter Midwest winds (I am in the Midwest), that just does not work very well.
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Dec 07, 2023 09:44 PM
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julayyyDec 07, 2023 09:44 PM
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Quote from Sawsa :
How does the MEN'S GHOST SHADOW™ HOODY compare to the REI Co-op Magma 850 Down Hoodie that was recently on sale?
If you are backpacking, every ounces matter. So the reason why a lot of people go with the mountain hardwear ghostwhisperer over the rei magma is the weight. Ghost whisperer is 8 Oz vs the rei magma of 12oz. If you're already carding 25lbs+ in your back, anywhere you can save weight and still maintain the warm is why people chose this jacket over the rei jacket
Dec 07, 2023 10:09 PM
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Dec 07, 2023 10:34 PM
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RobbersteaDec 07, 2023 10:34 PM
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Quote from julayyy :
If you are backpacking, every ounces matter. So the reason why a lot of people go with the mountain hardwear ghostwhisperer over the rei magma is the weight. Ghost whisperer is 8 Oz vs the rei magma of 12oz. If you're already carding 25lbs+ in your back, anywhere you can save weight and still maintain the warm is why people chose this jacket over the rei jacket
The Enlightened Equipment Torrid synthetic jacket is highly acclaimed by the ultralight community. It's said to be extremely warm for the weight since it doesn't have baffles (needle holes) for cold air to leak between. You can get a customized version with ultralight fabric that weighs under 7 ounces. The jacket is admittedly ugly though. They had a sale for black Friday and may have others.

https://enlightenedequipment.com/...id-jacket/
Dec 07, 2023 11:06 PM
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WildWeaselDec 07, 2023 11:06 PM
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Quote from daniel1967 :
Respectfully disagree. Down is good for sitting around the fire camp and doing very light work, not hiking... if you sweat just a bit it will hold all that humidity, lose its insulating properties, and keep you miserable in the cold. If you do any kind of activity, even brisk walking, you want synthetics. Just my 2 pennies - I have tried everything, have over 100 jackets from many brands including Mountain Hardwear, Arcteryx, Patagonia, Rab, Millet, Marmot, Spyder, Columbia etc etc. Have been hiking for over 40 years.
Respectfully disagree, part II. As a longtime hiker in Las Vegas, down is clearly the choice due to weight and compressibility. What you say is likely true in higher humidity locations, but humidity is lower in the West. Our average humidity is like 30%.
Dec 07, 2023 11:30 PM
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FeistyCircle2144Dec 07, 2023 11:30 PM
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Quote from daniel1967 :
I have the Ghost Whisperer, actually... Still avoid it when hiking. If you hike more than 1-2 miles (we usually hike 8-10 miles, occasionally 20 miles), unless you are going downhill all the way, or are super skinny, you are going to break a sweat...And that's even without considering possibility of rain.

Are there people who love down jackets and use them for hiking, especially under certain conditions/situations? As you say, absolutely, but for the majority probably they will not work well, most of the time.

I did a quick search and here is what others say. Some like them, but consensus seems that down jackets are not great for hiking (agrees with my experience).
https://www.reddit.com/r/Ultralig...le_hiking/

Warmth/weight for down is unbeatable, for sure. Not even Primaloft Gold is as good.

Edit. Forgot to say. I DO like Mountain Hardwear. But a problem I have with many Mountain Hardwear jackets, Ghost Whisperer included, is that their hoods are very large and have no adjustment. In the winter Midwest winds (I am in the Midwest), that just does not work very well.
Thanks for the further insight. Just purchased the ghost whisperer a couple of weeks ago on sale and was planning on using that as my main jacket out on the Colorado trail. I need to do some further testing. From intial impressions, it seemed both warmer then the atom lt and nano puff but I havent worn it on a long hike yet. Itll be interesting to see how sweat affects it and the breathability of the jacket. The atom lt is currently my favorite jacket. It breathes super well. I read somewhere that the down in the ghost whisperer is treated with nikwak so it won't lose as much of its insulation properties when it wet vs other untreated down jackets. One advantage of hiking in the west is the lack of humidity which like you said can really compromise the effectiveness of down insulation.
Dec 07, 2023 11:38 PM
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FeistyCircle2144Dec 07, 2023 11:38 PM
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Quote from julayyy :
If you are backpacking, every ounces matter. So the reason why a lot of people go with the mountain hardwear ghostwhisperer over the rei magma is the weight. Ghost whisperer is 8 Oz vs the rei magma of 12oz. If you're already carding 25lbs+ in your back, anywhere you can save weight and still maintain the warm is why people chose this jacket over the rei jacket
That's if you dont have a budget. The ghost whisperer is $360 compare to $250. Plus the rei jacket was just on sale for $120 last week. If you don't have a budget then by all means go for the ghost whisperer. Also that version is not on sale, this one is the ghost shadow which is the synthetic version. It isn't as warm but still pretty light.. I would also suggest people look into the ee torrid like another person recommended as well as the montbell down parka if you'll looking for some good alternative options.
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Dec 07, 2023 11:53 PM
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daniel1967Dec 07, 2023 11:53 PM
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Quote from WildWeasel :
Respectfully disagree, part II. As a longtime hiker in Las Vegas, down is clearly the choice due to weight and compressibility. What you say is likely true in higher humidity locations, but humidity is lower in the West. Our average humidity is like 30%.
Humidity, or lack of it, makes a huge difference, no question. My brother lives in Phoenix and I hiked there during the winter. But it's 3 states out of 50 with low humidity - AZ, NM, NV, and small parts of adjacent states. The remaining 45 states have average or much higher than average humidity, especially the East half and the Northwest.

My favorite "warm" jackets are probably the ones using Polartec Alpha Direct. I own these two. Not even sure they still make them:
https://www.feedthehabit.com/gear...et-review/
https://backpackers.com/outdoor-g...y-review/#

The lack of lining and the Polartec insulation make them highly breathable and very warm at the same time. Pertex shell also helps with breathability. While light and slim, they do not compress almost at all.

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