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HIFIMAN HE400se Planar Magnetic Over-Ear Open-back Wired Headphones (B-Stock)

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HIFIMAN has HIFIMAN HE400se Planar Magnetic Over-Ear Open-back Wired Headphones (B-Stock) on sale for $59. Shipping is free.

Thanks to community member DesertGardener for finding this deal.

Specs:
  • Frequency Response: 20Hz-20kHz
  • Impedance: 32Ohms
  • Sensitivity: 91dB
  • Weight: 385g

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    • The B-stock products are all tested in good working condition but may have slight cosmetic defects. Those products also come with accessories and HIFIMAN's standard warranty.

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HIFIMAN has HIFIMAN HE400se Planar Magnetic Over-Ear Open-back Wired Headphones (B-Stock) on sale for $59. Shipping is free.

Thanks to community member DesertGardener for finding this deal.

Specs:
  • Frequency Response: 20Hz-20kHz
  • Impedance: 32Ohms
  • Sensitivity: 91dB
  • Weight: 385g

Editor's Notes

Written by SubZero5 | Staff
  • About this deal:
    • While supplies last.
  • About this product:
    • The B-stock products are all tested in good working condition but may have slight cosmetic defects. Those products also come with accessories and HIFIMAN's standard warranty.

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Selman
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They are pretty much considered on par with anything in mid-tier headphones ($150-300). In that segment you can get different to suit your individual sound preference, but there isn't anything that is just leaps and bounds better on the average. There will always be someone that just has to disagree, but this is general consensus.

AKG K702's are considered to have among the widest soundstage of any headphone, but they have a slightly boosted midrange. I personally find that boost ideal for acoustic guitar, classical, synth pads, and soft jazz-like music. Bass is a little weak to my ears even boosted with an iFi amp with x-bass. The 400se is said to have an average soundstage and a small dip in mids ofter 1KHz. The AKG K702 is a little controversial. Some love it; some don't. It's a sizzling, airy headphone if I had to describe it in a couple words.

The Sennheiser 6XX has a more flat midrange whereas the Hifiman headphones usually have a dip after about 1000Hz. The soundstage on the 6XX is considered by some to be below average while the 400se represents the average. Neither is very controversial. Both have a sound most people enjoy. The Hifiman build quality is often maligned; the Sennheiser build quality is most often praised.

In short, the 400se is considered to be a very good sounding headphone. Build quality is questionable historically, but some think it is worked out. Open backs are more comfortable for listening for longer periods, and they have the potential to have wider sounding soundstages where it sounds like things are happening outside of your head, but they usually lack bass heavy tone that you might be accustomed to from closed back headphones.

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Dec 13, 2023 04:32 AM
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papercupDec 13, 2023 04:32 AM
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Rolling the dice on this one. Thanks OP.
Dec 13, 2023 04:34 AM
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babygdavDec 13, 2023 04:34 AM
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Quote from DenisM4271 :
What can you say about their sound?
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/...0se.25075/

https://www.rtings.com/headphones...an/he400se

Obviously not as good as the $1k+ Audeze LCD-X planars, https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/...d-x.16788/
But quite good for this super low price.

IF you have the audio equipment that can drive these properly.
Dec 13, 2023 04:42 AM
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ROOSKIEDec 13, 2023 04:42 AM
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Bought 1 set.

Hopefully my old LG V30 can drive them well enough. I want to try them for walking in the Skyway this winter and don't mind carring the extra phone as a music box.

ASR review for those who want help with PEQ filters and to see the generally tonality for any DIY PEQ settings.
https://www.audiosciencereview.co...one.28771/
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Dec 13, 2023 04:47 AM
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sq33kDec 13, 2023 04:47 AM
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Quote from Bassically :
The input impedance of a headphone (32 ohm in this case) is not indicative of whether an amp is needed or not. The sensitivity is the number you use to determine if you to determine if you need an amp. The sensitivity here is 91 db which is average/below average so I'd suggest buy the headphone first then decide later if its not loud enough then you can get an amp.
The input impedance only matters IF you need an amp. Once you determined you need an amp, then you should use the "Rule of 8" to select an amp that has an outout impedance which is 1/8 or less of the input impedance of the headphone generally speaking. So you'd want an amp with an output impedance of 4ohm or less in this case. There are many common and cheap solid state amps that meet this criteria like JDS Atom and Schiit Magni.
Impedance especially becomes more relevant when you want to use a tube amp. Their output impediance is sometimes high like 100 ohms and they likely would not pair well with a headphone such as this one with an input impedance of 32 ohms.
To be clear, I didn't say it was needed, I said most likely want. And your focus on the sensitivity is backward. No phone is going to drive cans with an impedance of 300 ohms like my 6xx has. You should be looking at the impedance first, and the sensitivity second. (The plain and simple reason is that you almost never see a listed sensitivity outside of 80-110db. So you'll want to look at the impedance as that's the required input to get it to reach the sensitivity that you already know will be listed.)
Last edited by sq33k December 12, 2023 at 08:54 PM.
Dec 13, 2023 04:56 AM
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sq33kDec 13, 2023 04:56 AM
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Quote from xen-xi :
Yeah they definitely need an eq and amp to sound good. The bass will sound much better then.
What? But according to Bassically and all the morons that downvoted my first post, you don't need one!
Dec 13, 2023 04:57 AM
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sq33kDec 13, 2023 04:57 AM
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Quote from DenisM4271 :
What can you say about their sound?
Absolutely nothing. They were uncomfortable enough that I returned them before I even let them sit and burn in properly.
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Dec 13, 2023 04:58 AM
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Dec 13, 2023 04:58 AM
ECarlsonDec 13, 2023 04:58 AM
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Must resist. I already have over a dozen headphones (maybe over 2 dozen), and I rarely use any of them, since I generally prefer speakers.
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Dec 13, 2023 05:25 AM
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henrenmonDec 13, 2023 05:25 AM
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Silly question: can these be used for gaming? Like can I use to talk to others online?
Dec 13, 2023 05:33 AM
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rjxDec 13, 2023 05:33 AM
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Dec 13, 2023 05:35 AM
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GrenvilleDec 13, 2023 05:35 AM
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Quote from henrenmon :
Silly question: can these be used for gaming? Like can I use to talk to others online?
using what microphone?
Dec 13, 2023 05:42 AM
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czyzDec 13, 2023 05:42 AM
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Out of stock. They do have it as non-B-stock open box for $89.
Dec 13, 2023 05:42 AM
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egor1Dec 13, 2023 05:42 AM
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Thank God its out of stock!
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Dec 13, 2023 07:22 AM
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ku2000Dec 13, 2023 07:22 AM
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Quote from henrenmon :
Silly question: can these be used for gaming? Like can I use to talk to others online?
It's excellent for gaming.
Caveat is others around you can hear what is happening in the game since it is an open headphone.

No microphone included. You need it separately.
Dec 13, 2023 07:27 AM
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ku2000Dec 13, 2023 07:27 AM
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Quote from LonelyHiker :
I can only speak to my HE4xx, which I understand to be very similar to these, except with a slightly different sound signature. I don't find the earpads or headband to be uncomfortable when listening at the computer for 3 hours or so, so I think it just depends on the person.

The most important thing to understand about the HE4xx is that they take EQ very well. I assume these 400se's would be the same. Don't even worry about the sound signature, because all it does is serve as a starting point to EQ them however you like. I use PeaceEQ with the Oratory1990 profile, slightly tweaked. With this EQ and a nice DAC/AMP, it's just as good as any of the best sounding headphone setups I've ever heard. I frequent the big audio shows, and sit and listen to everything I can get my hands on. I've never heard anything that could replace these, not even in the multi-thousand dollar range. Yes, that could be because my ears aren't resolving enough to hear the differences, but I've been into audiophile audio for several decades and these are close enough to perfect to me.
I tried Oratory1990 settings on them. Much more refined than without EQ.
I usually use without any EQ on any headphones as I think they are designed in a certain way.
But I like Oratory1990 settings. It is now representing more flat and spread out sound than a slightly high pitch oriented sound. I prefer the bass this way. Supposedly not as strong but it feels more tighter.

Thanks!

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Dec 13, 2023 02:18 PM
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xen-xiDec 13, 2023 02:18 PM
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Quote from CharleyW :
I had the Edition XS's (they had the exact same head band) I had to balance them on my head sitting down! no exaggeration (and this is after bending them square so they had 'some' tension toward my head) there was literally no friction on my head just my ears keeping them from falling off.

I LITERALLY COULD NOT LIE BACK ON A PILLOW WITH OUT THEM SLIDING OFF MY EARS! OR STAND UP OR WALK OR LEAN FOREWARD TO GRAB SOMETHING

so give me all the thumbs downs you want, I'm not a hater, I wanted them to work and am a fan of Hifiman otherwise...

( xen-xi , not throwing any of this at you at all, just ranting at the internet)šŸ‘
No problem. I understand what you're saying because they are heavy headphones. I never gave you a thumbs down and respect your opinion.

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