Dirac has
Dirac Live Bass Control for Denon AVR-X3800H / AVC-X3800H (Digital Licenses) on sale as listed below when you apply discount coupon
30BCDM23 at checkout.
Note: Discount code does not apply to individual 'Room Correction' licenses.
Thanks to Community Member
undisturbed316 for finding this deal.
Available (prices after discount coupon):
- Dirac Live Bass Control Single Subwoofer $228.85
- Dirac Live Bass Control Multi Subwoofer $327.21
- Upgrade an existing Bass Control Single Subwoofer license to Multi Subwoofer $110.82
- Bundle Offer $425.57
- Room Correction Full Bandwidth
- Bass Control Single Subwoofer
- Bundle Offer Multi $523.94
- Room Correction Full Bandwidth
- Bass Control Multi Subwoofer
Features:- Corrects sound gaps and bass decline
- Enhances bass crossover area for smoother reproduction
- Utilizes machine learning for phase co-optimization and supports one or multiple subwoofer (depending on license)
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If you find evidence that they do give you a no hassle 30 day period to see if it improves your correction beyond what Audyssey MultiEQ X32 + the $20 Audyssey app can do, post the link here to let us know.
For me, if that company isn't willing to let you see if it's worth the money, it's a bad policy. It's not like they have to absorb return shipping costs or resell a discounted used product.
Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot. XT32 does handle 2 subs, but not to the complexity that the multi-sub Dirac bass control is described to.
I'm probably oversimplifying this but based on the descriptions, to me it seems:
For a no sub or 1 sub system - Dirac full bandwidth is arguably superior to XT32.
For a 2 sub system - XT32 is arguably superior to Dirac full bandwidth alone. Dirac FB + multi-sub bass control would be superior to XT32.
I'm really struggling with seeing the value of Dirac bass control for a single sub, except as a standalone product where you only want sub calibration. Maybe that's the point?
But for me, the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems... I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it isn't worth it, but $800 is far too big of a gamble to me to try it. Maybe if the licenses were transferable at least once or twice maybe, but locked to one AVR? Nah.
All mid-to-high tier receivers will have basic speaker distance correction. So you can take a tape measure and tell the speaker how far each channel is. That will give you a pretty good (not perfect) timing delay. But then, you modern high end receiver also mostly likely has some free flavor of room correction software. That will do 90% of what Dirac does.
Dirac does three things on top of all else: it flattens each speaker's curve, chooses a good crossover, and adjusts the level of each speaker. Of all those, I'd argue adjusting the level is the most valuable feature. In my view, you're paying $100's more to get the level correct out of each speaker on top of what you can do for free. Is that worth it?
I'll go a step further. I did my own calibration on a new Onkyo receiver, listened to it for a few weeks, and then did a Dirac calibration. Dirac nailed all 5 speakers, but completely underpowered the sub no matter how hard I tried. I just don't think I'd pay so much $$ out of pocket on top of the brilliant Marantz / Denon / Pioneer etc capabilities that come free with the receiver.
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I'm in the same boat. I was going to pull the trigger because someone mentioned to me they have a 30 day return policy in case it doesn't perform according to it's desired effect (which makes sense), but I just checked their license agreement and it says to get a refund you "must not have used the Software," which makes no sense at all to me.
If you find evidence that they do give you a no hassle 30 day period to see if it improves your correction beyond what Audyssey MultiEQ X32 + the $20 Audyssey app can do, post the link here to let us know.
For me, if that company isn't willing to let you see if it's worth the money, it's a bad policy. It's not like they have to absorb return shipping costs or resell a discounted used product.
As I understand, Dirac Live tries to do what this guy is doing (which is fairly complex):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g26gbFd
https://www.youtube.com/@ocaudiophile
https://slickdeals.net/f/17081710-30-off-all-dirac-live-licenses-with-promo-code-bf23?p=16750705
Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot. XT32 does handle 2 subs, but not to the complexity that the multi-sub Dirac bass control is described to.
I'm probably oversimplifying this but based on the descriptions, to me it seems:
For a no sub or 1 sub system - Dirac full bandwidth is arguably superior to XT32.
For a 2 sub system - XT32 is arguably superior to Dirac full bandwidth alone. Dirac FB + multi-sub bass control would be superior to XT32.
I'm really struggling with seeing the value of Dirac bass control for a single sub, except as a standalone product where you only want sub calibration. Maybe that's the point?
But for me, the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems... I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it isn't worth it, but $800 is far too big of a gamble to me to try it. Maybe if the licenses were transferable at least once or twice maybe, but locked to one AVR? Nah.
If you find evidence that they do give you a no hassle 30 day period to see if it improves your correction beyond what Audyssey MultiEQ X32 + the $20 Audyssey app can do, post the link here to let us know.
For me, if that company isn't willing to let you see if it's worth the money, it's a bad policy. It's not like they have to absorb return shipping costs or resell a discounted used product.
However, it lets you buy a trial for $0, but doesn't guarantee your 30% off for the paid subscription. You have to separately buy the bundle and use the discount code in a separate transaction (who knows how long this code will be active)
Edit: apparently the trial is for live correction suite, which is different from the Dirac live home software -.-
https://www.dirac.com/online-stor...ion-suite/
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Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot.
But it seems I'm really looking at the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems. I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it is not worth it for some users, but my .02 is that's a big spend that a very small % of users fit the niche for.
In a similar boat but managed to get the x3800 for the 900 price point. I'm guessing either the next Gen denon or maybe the one after will include some form of built in dirac to stay competitive but was tired of using my 18yr old denon avr (granted its been holding up without issue, just behind the times in audio and video codes big time plus I want to do Atmos). I'm thinking that 25 percent off bf deal will likely happen next black Friday too and since I literally have had the x3800 for 2 weeks now may just stick with this, and maybe get the 20 app like you mentioned and worry about finding good ceiling speakers and LCR Amp, neither of which I have. $560 (discounted price) is still quite hefty for just software enabling. But I also agree I hear how amazing dirac is and am tempted. Have yet to hear it tho to really know.
However, it lets you buy a trial for $0, but doesn't guarantee your 30% off for the paid subscription. You have to separately buy the bundle and use the discount code in a separate transaction (who knows how long this code will be active)
https://www.dirac.com/online-stor...ion-suite/
May not be the best solution but perhaps try for 14 days, if you decide you want contact them about the pricing and if they don't honor I guess you could cancel the trial and then wait for next black Friday. I do suspect they will continue to do the 25 percent off (not quite the 30 percent this one is) each year but Def no guarantee. Also would need to wait another 11mo which may not be feasible
Seems to me you could use bass control as a standalone if you only want it tuning your subs, or go with the live + the multi-sub license if you want it doing everything in a multi-sub system. I've always been happy with XT32 but want to give Dirac a try because there seems at least some agreement that is superior. I missed the BF deals on full-bandwith but though somewhere in the ~$250 - 300 range might be worth a shot. XT32 does handle 2 subs, but not to the complexity that the multi-sub Dirac bass control is described to.
I'm probably oversimplifying this but based on the descriptions, to me it seems:
For a no sub or 1 sub system - Dirac full bandwidth is arguably superior to XT32.
For a 2 sub system - XT32 is arguably superior to Dirac full bandwidth alone. Dirac FB + multi-sub bass control would be superior to XT32.
I'm really struggling with seeing the value of Dirac bass control for a single sub, except as a standalone product where you only want sub calibration. Maybe that's the point?
But for me, the $799 package to cover multi-sub systems... I'm not doing that. I'd rather wait until my next AVR upgrade to see how their market / built-in options pan out. Not saying it isn't worth it, but $800 is far too big of a gamble to me to try it. Maybe if the licenses were transferable at least once or twice maybe, but locked to one AVR? Nah.
It's my understanding from others on audiophile forums that Dirac full only performs correction on the full range outputs. It does nothing to the subwoofer outputs. That requires the DLBC add on.
Most people's room issues are in the low end range, so correcting your subwoofers is arguably the best thing you can do with respect to room correction. So there's the rub with Dirac. If you want "full" correction, you have to shell out a lot of dough to see how well it works for your ears.
Most people's room issues are in the low end range, so correcting your subwoofers is arguably the best thing you can do with respect to room correction. So there's the rub with Dirac. If you want "full" correction, you have to shell out a lot of dough to see how well it works for your ears.
The stuff I read says regular live corrects what is running down to 20Hz, including a sub if it is in there. But multiple subs get treated as one. Which is the same thing lower tiers of Audessey do. I can't image the regular live license would ignore a sub completely. That's like 99.5% of people that buy these level of boxes.
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The stuff I read says regular live corrects what is running down to 20Hz, including a sub if it is in there. But multiple subs get treated as one. Which is the same thing lower tiers of Audessey do. I can't image the regular live license would ignore a sub completely. That's like 99.5% of people that buy these level of boxes.
If you are confusing the multiple levels of Dirac they try to sell you on, you're not alone. There are four levels of Dirac you can purchase, the first two cover your full range speakers, not the crossed over sub channel outputs. The second two cover the subwoofer(s), either a single or multiple subwoofers.
For everything with two plus subwoofers on a Denon receiver, that looks like $799 retail if you buy them bundled at the same time. More of you buy them separately.
https://www.dirac.com/online-stor...vc-x3800h/
Then, there's Dirac Live Active Room Treatment, which is exclusively on Storm Audio ($$$) equipment at the moment but will come to other companies. It's currently $299.
https://www.dirac.com/live/dirac-...treatment/
Here's the info on the two subwoofer (bass control) tiers:
https://www.dirac.com/live/bass-c...management.