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What's the difference betwiin this one and the option with steel or elastometer springs except for the original price?
This has no suspension while the other 2 do. Which type of spring is preference even though they say the steel is for road while elastomer is for stationary bikes. I have heard pros and cons with both for road and trail riding.
This has no suspension while the other 2 do. Which type of spring is preference even though they say the steel is for road while elastomer is for stationary bikes. I have heard pros and cons with both for road and trail riding.
OK, thanks! But I wonder why the one without suspension would be twice as much originally. Anyways, I am getting one - I've got a bike from the recent deal, and I hate that seat, gives me a sore bottom.
OK, thanks! But I wonder why the one without suspension would be twice as much originally. Anyways, I am getting one - I've got a bike from the recent deal, and I hate that seat, gives me a sore bottom.
Honestly, the regular price in amazon seems to be made up most of the time to make deals look better. Seen it on tons of listings. If the bike you got was the royce union one, then I can relate. First few rides I didn't notice any issue but after a longer ride I realized what others have said. Had bruises from that thing lol
Honestly, the regular price in amazon seems to be made up most of the time to make deals look better. Seen it on tons of listings. If the bike you got was the royce union one, then I can relate. First few rides I didn't notice any issue but after a longer ride I realized what others have said. Had bruises from that thing lol
Yep, it was Royce. It's made for people with much sturdier butts than mine.
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Do not buy oversized and over-cushioned saddles for your bikes.
They are called SADDLES, and not seats or armchairs for a reason.
We are not meant to sit on our muscles/butt when we work pedaling a bike: we sit on our sit-bones, i.e. lower part of our /waistbone. You are sore after bike rides because you haven't gotten accustomed to this happening, and even if a bit more padding could help you on the RIGHT spots, wider saddles you sit IN, are not ergonomically correct for pedaling: you need just enough support for your sit-bones, but your thigh and glut muscles to move freely w/o rubbing on the saddle, and this requires a narrow shape.
Don't buy anything other than the "sport" style (i.e. the thinnest of the 3), be it for your stationary or regular bike...anything other than a cruiser you ride for 15min or so. It is not an accident that even upright "Dutch" bikes and purpose-built city commuters etc don't come with the couch-y stuff...narrow and stiff saddles typically flex enough. It is more about you finding a shape that suits you vs. adding padding or width past 140-160mm (which is pretty narrow) because nobody's sit-bones are that much wider...even for larger women.
Again, YMMV, but my 2c that was burning by pocket.
I bought the oversize more than a year ago for about the same price, wife does not like the seat that came with the bike. I just installed it a month ago. I have to use the original bar because the one that comes with it does not fit. Had to clamp to the adaptor, which was super tight and eventually managed to get it working. Def more comfortable compared to the original seat.
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Do not buy oversized and over-cushioned saddles for your bikes.
They are called SADDLES, and not seats or armchairs for a reason.
We are not meant to sit on our muscles/butt when we work pedaling a bike: we sit on our sit-bones, i.e. lower part of our /waistbone. You are sore after bike rides because you haven't gotten accustomed to this happening, and even if a bit more padding could help you on the RIGHT spots, wider saddles you sit IN, are not ergonomically correct for pedaling: you need just enough support for your sit-bones, but your thigh and glut muscles to move freely w/o rubbing on the saddle, and this requires a narrow shape.
Don't buy anything other than the "sport" style (i.e. the thinnest of the 3), be it for your stationary or regular bike...anything other than a cruiser you ride for 15min or so. It is not an accident that even upright "Dutch" bikes and purpose-built city commuters etc don't come with the couch-y stuff...narrow and stiff saddles typically flex enough. It is more about you finding a shape that suits you vs. adding padding or width past 140-160mm (which is pretty narrow) because nobody's sit-bones are that much wider...even for larger women.
Again, YMMV, but my 2c that was burning by pocket.
Technically you are 100% accurate and correct. But there are many (myself included) that only ride for very short commutes, fun, beach, park, just getting started etc. And while improper riding stance they want to enjoy it by being comfortable, that's where these type of things work. Sometimes comfort and lack of pain can be the difference between continuing to ride or having the bike just sit for decades. Just my 2c that's probably worth negative 😁
Technically you are 100% accurate and correct. But there are many (myself included) that only ride for very short commutes, fun, beach, park, just getting started etc. And while improper riding stance they want to enjoy it by being comfortable, that's where these type of things work. Sometimes comfort and lack of pain can be the difference between continuing to ride or having the bike just sit for decades. Just my 2c that's probably worth negative 😁
Thanks, I guess?
Sorry to insist and I don't care for the downvotes as seen on my "technically correct" post above:
The perceived comfort is a placebo. Don't get me wrong: much like with medicine, a placebo effect DOES exist, but it is purely pshychological - as you pretty much hint to yourself: the "couch" seat has to be more comfortable than the saddle, so I will be comforted by the idea - not the fact - that it is comfortable and thus keep riding. i.e. takes one of your "excuses" away, but it is not real.
It is like saying you will go to the gym for the 1st time and you will workout muscles you did not for ages, and you will not get sore. But if you stick with it, after some time you just adapt and even more strenuous workouts will leave you less sore vs. the 1st "shock".
Sorry to insist and I don't care for the downvotes as seen on my "technically correct" post above:
The perceived comfort is a placebo. Don't get me wrong: much like with medicine, a placebo effect DOES exist, but it is purely pshychological - as you pretty much hint to yourself: the "couch" seat has to be more comfortable than the saddle, so I will be comforted by the idea - not the fact - that it is comfortable and thus keep riding. i.e. takes one of your "excuses" away, but it is not real.
It is like saying you will go to the gym for the 1st time and you will workout muscles you did not for ages, and you will not get sore. But if you stick with it, after some time you just adapt and even more strenuous workouts will leave you less sore vs. the 1st "shock".
You must realize, not everybody (in fact, almost nobody) rides their bike purely to maximize some "workout" benefit. Not everybody wants to optimize everything to the last degree, and there are plenty who are more comfortable with their knees coming up higher due to the saddle being set lower.
It's OK if people don't try to textbook optimize it the way you would, it really is. Let them enjoy it instead of turning everything into a competition.
You must realize, not everybody (in fact, almost nobody) rides their bike purely to maximize some "workout" benefit. Not everybody wants to optimize everything to the last degree, and there are plenty who are more comfortable with their knees coming up higher due to the saddle being set lower.
It's OK if people don't try to textbook optimize it the way you would, it really is. Let them enjoy it instead of turning everything into a competition.
Wow...
What you are talking about? Who competed with whom and how?
Or where did I talk about saddle height or knee angles and w/e?
I simply stated the FACT, that these products try to hijack your intuitions for what makes something "comfortable", by selling you padding where no padding is needed and/or works. And padded "socks"/covers that slide over your existing saddle are even worse. Just avoid.
It is not about maximizing performance.
Who wrote or implied that where? It is simply about saving you $.
It is fine. Some people are "too smart" for their own good and/or come loaded from work to vent on SD...
I'm bulletproof, nothing to lose. Fire away and happy holidays on placebo saddles.
I use oversized bikeroo seats on all my electric bikes. I ride 20 miles a day to work and use bikes for groceries, I had severe and chronic lower and upper back problems and these seats gave great support, along with a suspension seatpost. I lost 40lbs and have no knee pain thanks to biking and these seats.
When I started biking and in chronic pain, I had to use oversized bikeroo seat, along with a seat pad, along with bike cushion underpants. Only with that setup I could bike for hours a day without any pain. Over the months I removed the cushioned underwear and eventually the extra pad. Now I just use the bikeroo seat on its own. Debating trying a more expensive seat made for people doing bike touring since I bike 2 hours a day but I love these seats. I don't really know if the springs help or not. There are certain models that make lifting via the seat easier, some will bite you when trying to lift.
2c?
Do not buy oversized and over-cushioned saddles for your bikes.
They are called SADDLES, and not seats or armchairs for a reason.
We are not meant to sit on our muscles/butt when we work pedaling a bike: we sit on our sit-bones, i.e. lower part of our /waistbone. You are sore after bike rides because you haven't gotten accustomed to this happening, and even if a bit more padding could help you on the RIGHT spots, wider saddles you sit IN, are not ergonomically correct for pedaling: you need just enough support for your sit-bones, but your thigh and glut muscles to move freely w/o rubbing on the saddle, and this requires a narrow shape.
Don't buy anything other than the "sport" style (i.e. the thinnest of the 3), be it for your stationary or regular bike...anything other than a cruiser you ride for 15min or so. It is not an accident that even upright "Dutch" bikes and purpose-built city commuters etc don't come with the couch-y stuff...narrow and stiff saddles typically flex enough. It is more about you finding a shape that suits you vs. adding padding or width past 140-160mm (which is pretty narrow) because nobody's sit-bones are that much wider...even for larger women.
Again, YMMV, but my 2c that was burning by pocket.
Thanks for the information. I have one question though. What is the harm caused by getting a bigger saddle/seat? Is there anything detrimental about it other than not being correct?
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Thanks for the information. I have one question though. What is the harm caused by getting a bigger saddle/seat? Is there anything detrimental about it other than not being correct?
Inhibits free movement and can lead to skin chafing on prolonged rides as you rub yourself on it but also against our own body if the position is incorrect and/or limps are pushed together.
We ride at 60-80 rpm, so even a 15min ride can be more than 1000 strokes. Faster riders can do more than 10000 strokes over a 2hr ride. So the chances of chaffing increase by a lot, even for a very "gentle" rubbing motion that would be insignificant for a shorter duration / fewer occurrences.
Also, softer surfaces allow our body to sink into them - this is what spreads the load, right? So it has to be more comfortable? Issue is, you spread the load on areas that are not meant to be loaded - unlike our sit-bones: our muscles get restricted blood flow, our "fat tissue" under our skin does the same, and last but not least, our genitalia also can get pressured. Both for men and women. This can cause numbness and extend to other, un-wanted side effects. This is why most new saddles provide relief channels in the middle.
It is not a matter of top performance on the bike per se, even tho you do end up working harder if you assume a bad position.
I am myself honestly trying to keep people riding bikes, and keeping good ergonomics on them is important.
If an inch of foam would make or break a saddle, why wouldn't all companies make them thicker/wider this way? Sure, there is perhaps a bias towards "making bikes look fast and mimic race bikes", but people who make a living selling bikes, would probably know better, right? Again, saddles are different than seats. This is why I say that these people hijack our intuitions for what makes something comfortable.
It is very true tho that our anatomies are not the same, and you might indeed not match with the saddle design or position on your bike. So it is not uncommon for seasoned people swapping to their favorite saddle (either new or transferring from the previous ride) as the first thing they do when buying a new bike. Exactly because they know what's at stake: discomfort, to pain, to "plumbing" disfunction or more than one of the above.
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Do not buy oversized and over-cushioned saddles for your bikes.
They are called SADDLES, and not seats or armchairs for a reason.
We are not meant to sit on our muscles/butt when we work pedaling a bike: we sit on our sit-bones, i.e. lower part of our /waistbone. You are sore after bike rides because you haven't gotten accustomed to this happening, and even if a bit more padding could help you on the RIGHT spots, wider saddles you sit IN, are not ergonomically correct for pedaling: you need just enough support for your sit-bones, but your thigh and glut muscles to move freely w/o rubbing on the saddle, and this requires a narrow shape.
Don't buy anything other than the "sport" style (i.e. the thinnest of the 3), be it for your stationary or regular bike...anything other than a cruiser you ride for 15min or so. It is not an accident that even upright "Dutch" bikes and purpose-built city commuters etc don't come with the couch-y stuff...narrow and stiff saddles typically flex enough. It is more about you finding a shape that suits you vs. adding padding or width past 140-160mm (which is pretty narrow) because nobody's sit-bones are that much wider...even for larger women.
Again, YMMV, but my 2c that was burning by pocket.
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Do not buy oversized and over-cushioned saddles for your bikes.
They are called SADDLES, and not seats or armchairs for a reason.
We are not meant to sit on our muscles/butt when we work pedaling a bike: we sit on our sit-bones, i.e. lower part of our /waistbone. You are sore after bike rides because you haven't gotten accustomed to this happening, and even if a bit more padding could help you on the RIGHT spots, wider saddles you sit IN, are not ergonomically correct for pedaling: you need just enough support for your sit-bones, but your thigh and glut muscles to move freely w/o rubbing on the saddle, and this requires a narrow shape.
Don't buy anything other than the "sport" style (i.e. the thinnest of the 3), be it for your stationary or regular bike...anything other than a cruiser you ride for 15min or so. It is not an accident that even upright "Dutch" bikes and purpose-built city commuters etc don't come with the couch-y stuff...narrow and stiff saddles typically flex enough. It is more about you finding a shape that suits you vs. adding padding or width past 140-160mm (which is pretty narrow) because nobody's sit-bones are that much wider...even for larger women.
Again, YMMV, but my 2c that was burning by pocket.
Sorry to insist and I don't care for the downvotes as seen on my "technically correct" post above:
The perceived comfort is a placebo. Don't get me wrong: much like with medicine, a placebo effect DOES exist, but it is purely pshychological - as you pretty much hint to yourself: the "couch" seat has to be more comfortable than the saddle, so I will be comforted by the idea - not the fact - that it is comfortable and thus keep riding. i.e. takes one of your "excuses" away, but it is not real.
It is like saying you will go to the gym for the 1st time and you will workout muscles you did not for ages, and you will not get sore. But if you stick with it, after some time you just adapt and even more strenuous workouts will leave you less sore vs. the 1st "shock".
Sorry to insist and I don't care for the downvotes as seen on my "technically correct" post above:
The perceived comfort is a placebo. Don't get me wrong: much like with medicine, a placebo effect DOES exist, but it is purely pshychological - as you pretty much hint to yourself: the "couch" seat has to be more comfortable than the saddle, so I will be comforted by the idea - not the fact - that it is comfortable and thus keep riding. i.e. takes one of your "excuses" away, but it is not real.
It is like saying you will go to the gym for the 1st time and you will workout muscles you did not for ages, and you will not get sore. But if you stick with it, after some time you just adapt and even more strenuous workouts will leave you less sore vs. the 1st "shock".
It's OK if people don't try to textbook optimize it the way you would, it really is. Let them enjoy it instead of turning everything into a competition.
It's OK if people don't try to textbook optimize it the way you would, it really is. Let them enjoy it instead of turning everything into a competition.
What you are talking about? Who competed with whom and how?
Or where did I talk about saddle height or knee angles and w/e?
I simply stated the FACT, that these products try to hijack your intuitions for what makes something "comfortable", by selling you padding where no padding is needed and/or works. And padded "socks"/covers that slide over your existing saddle are even worse. Just avoid.
It is not about maximizing performance.
Who wrote or implied that where? It is simply about saving you $.
It is fine. Some people are "too smart" for their own good and/or come loaded from work to vent on SD...
I'm bulletproof, nothing to lose. Fire away and happy holidays on placebo saddles.
When I started biking and in chronic pain, I had to use oversized bikeroo seat, along with a seat pad, along with bike cushion underpants. Only with that setup I could bike for hours a day without any pain. Over the months I removed the cushioned underwear and eventually the extra pad. Now I just use the bikeroo seat on its own. Debating trying a more expensive seat made for people doing bike touring since I bike 2 hours a day but I love these seats. I don't really know if the springs help or not. There are certain models that make lifting via the seat easier, some will bite you when trying to lift.
Do not buy oversized and over-cushioned saddles for your bikes.
They are called SADDLES, and not seats or armchairs for a reason.
We are not meant to sit on our muscles/butt when we work pedaling a bike: we sit on our sit-bones, i.e. lower part of our /waistbone. You are sore after bike rides because you haven't gotten accustomed to this happening, and even if a bit more padding could help you on the RIGHT spots, wider saddles you sit IN, are not ergonomically correct for pedaling: you need just enough support for your sit-bones, but your thigh and glut muscles to move freely w/o rubbing on the saddle, and this requires a narrow shape.
Don't buy anything other than the "sport" style (i.e. the thinnest of the 3), be it for your stationary or regular bike...anything other than a cruiser you ride for 15min or so. It is not an accident that even upright "Dutch" bikes and purpose-built city commuters etc don't come with the couch-y stuff...narrow and stiff saddles typically flex enough. It is more about you finding a shape that suits you vs. adding padding or width past 140-160mm (which is pretty narrow) because nobody's sit-bones are that much wider...even for larger women.
Again, YMMV, but my 2c that was burning by pocket.
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Inhibits free movement and can lead to skin chafing on prolonged rides as you rub yourself on it but also against our own body if the position is incorrect and/or limps are pushed together.
We ride at 60-80 rpm, so even a 15min ride can be more than 1000 strokes. Faster riders can do more than 10000 strokes over a 2hr ride. So the chances of chaffing increase by a lot, even for a very "gentle" rubbing motion that would be insignificant for a shorter duration / fewer occurrences.
Also, softer surfaces allow our body to sink into them - this is what spreads the load, right? So it has to be more comfortable? Issue is, you spread the load on areas that are not meant to be loaded - unlike our sit-bones: our muscles get restricted blood flow, our "fat tissue" under our skin does the same, and last but not least, our genitalia also can get pressured. Both for men and women. This can cause numbness and extend to other, un-wanted side effects. This is why most new saddles provide relief channels in the middle.
It is not a matter of top performance on the bike per se, even tho you do end up working harder if you assume a bad position.
I am myself honestly trying to keep people riding bikes, and keeping good ergonomics on them is important.
If an inch of foam would make or break a saddle, why wouldn't all companies make them thicker/wider this way? Sure, there is perhaps a bias towards "making bikes look fast and mimic race bikes", but people who make a living selling bikes, would probably know better, right? Again, saddles are different than seats. This is why I say that these people hijack our intuitions for what makes something comfortable.
It is very true tho that our anatomies are not the same, and you might indeed not match with the saddle design or position on your bike. So it is not uncommon for seasoned people swapping to their favorite saddle (either new or transferring from the previous ride) as the first thing they do when buying a new bike. Exactly because they know what's at stake: discomfort, to pain, to "plumbing" disfunction or more than one of the above.
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