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Wow, $1000 price reductions. And IIRC, the normal asking price has been lowered as well. It used to be over $3K (for the mountain bikes).
I have way too many bikes, otherwise I'd pick one up. The drivetrain specs are a little meh but I'm sure they work fine and can pretty easily be upgraded.
For those of you familiar with the Intense brand, you might be asking what these 951 models are---apparently they're special makeups for Costco but the same frames as Intense's retail models. Here's what I found online:
The 120mm-travel 951 XC has the same frame as the Intense Sniper T.
The 951 Trail is based on the Intense Primer 29 and has the exact same 140mm-travel frame.
Gravel bikes differ from road bikes GENERALLY in the following ways:
Clearance for much larger tires, generally up at least 45mm wide, as compared to road bikes, which used to top out at 28mm wide, now 32mm-ish. Some gravel bikes will clear 50-60mm tires, which puts you squarely in the narrow end of mountain bike tires. This is the biggest differentiator in the road/gravel divide.
Gravel bikes generally have a wider overall gear range than road bikes, as there is the expectation you'll be headed off-road. Generally there are lower "low" gears on a gravel bike for riding dirt and sketchy climbs.
Gravel bikes tend to have slightly more relaxed frame angles (we call it "geometry") for a less aggressive riding position than road bikes. There are gravel bikes with racier fits like road bikes, but they are in the minority. Most modern gravel bikes fit like a cross between a road bike and a late 00's MTB.
Gravel bikes have frame specifically designed to handle the abuse of being ridden off road. Some are more overbuilt than others, but all of them are designed to handle what people would consider easy MTB trails.
Those are the big differences. You can absolutely put slick/skinnier tires on a gravel bike and ride it on the road. It will just be a touch slower than a dedicated road bike. If you were on the fence about pure road vs. gravel, I'd side with gravel at this time as it's much more versatile with only minor penalties to speed.
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Asides from the 1x, what even makes it a gravel bike and not just a regular road bike?
Road bikes usually weigh 15-21 pounds. Gravel bikes sacrifice weight for comfort. So they will be around 20-25 lbs depending on cost. Also wider tires for: you guessed it, riding effectively on gravel.
No, but didn't wanna get called a dumbass for not knowing about some new tech. I've never seen a gravel bike without a front suspension
You've probably never been in a gravel race then lol. Front suspension is not rare, but less common than no suspension. Low tire pressure on wider tires is usually enough dampening for gravel.
Yes. Either of these are a great deal. I'd lean towards the Shimano bike if you're intending to ride your bike mostly all-road, meaning you'll be riding on the road and some off road.
If you intend to upgrade fast, maybe the SRAM makes more sense, but I like my GRX400, and this has the 810, which is a pretty big upgrade over that.
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Asides from the 1x, what even makes it a gravel bike and not just a regular road bike?
Gravel bikes differ from road bikes GENERALLY in the following ways:
Clearance for much larger tires, generally up at least 45mm wide, as compared to road bikes, which used to top out at 28mm wide, now 32mm-ish. Some gravel bikes will clear 50-60mm tires, which puts you squarely in the narrow end of mountain bike tires. This is the biggest differentiator in the road/gravel divide.
Gravel bikes generally have a wider overall gear range than road bikes, as there is the expectation you'll be headed off-road. Generally there are lower "low" gears on a gravel bike for riding dirt and sketchy climbs.
Gravel bikes tend to have slightly more relaxed frame angles (we call it "geometry") for a less aggressive riding position than road bikes. There are gravel bikes with racier fits like road bikes, but they are in the minority. Most modern gravel bikes fit like a cross between a road bike and a late 00's MTB.
Gravel bikes have frame specifically designed to handle the abuse of being ridden off road. Some are more overbuilt than others, but all of them are designed to handle what people would consider easy MTB trails.
Those are the big differences. You can absolutely put slick/skinnier tires on a gravel bike and ride it on the road. It will just be a touch slower than a dedicated road bike. If you were on the fence about pure road vs. gravel, I'd side with gravel at this time as it's much more versatile with only minor penalties to speed.
Road bikes usually weigh 15-21 pounds. Gravel bikes sacrifice weight for comfort. So they will be around 20-25 lbs depending on cost. Also wider tires for: you guessed it, riding effectively on gravel.
Often mixed up with hybrid bikes.
Is it actually still comfortable to ride on rocky terrain without any suspension? I do alot of XC on a regular mtb, and have been wondering if drop bars would make my rides alot more enjoyable.
Asides from the 1x, what even makes it a gravel bike and not just a regular road bike?
Long but relaxed geo (slacker head tube angle = more self-centering steering) with typ. higher stack (think handlebar height), higher BB for more clearance and ofc way more tire clearance$
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You've probably never been in a gravel race then lol. Front suspension is not rare, but less common than no suspension. Low tire pressure on wider tires is usually enough dampening for gravel.
Sadly my local trails have tons of pedestrians and TONS of unleashed dogs, so speed doesn't really matter. that makes sense what you said tho, and how much psi do you usually run on the front wheel?
Sadly my local trails have tons of pedestrians and TONS of unleashed dogs, so speed doesn't really matter. that makes sense what you said tho, and how much psi do you usually run on the front wheel?
Is it actually still comfortable to ride on rocky terrain without any suspension? I do alot of XC on a regular mtb, and have been wondering if drop bars would make my rides alot more enjoyable.
If you're riding trails, stick to the XC bike, if you're riding rocks, stick to the XC bike, get a gravel bike for speed on flat sections, comfort on more mellow parts (my hands hurt less on long gravel)
You get a bunch more motion for your watts on a gravel bike, but steeper trail climbs are a hard no imo. Anything like gravel service roads, and most non-trail (and green trails) descends are easily doable with a gravel bike. Helps your technique too.
If you're riding trails, stick to the XC bike, if you're riding rocks, stick to the XC bike, get a gravel bike for speed on flat sections, comfort on more mellow parts (my hands hurt less on long gravel)
You get a bunch more motion for your watts on a gravel bike, but steeper trail climbs are a hard no imo. Anything like gravel service roads, and most non-trail (and green trails) descends are easily doable with a gravel bike. Helps your technique too.
Thanks for the info bro, Im pretty clueless when it comes to road and gravel styled bikes haha. Do you ever have any issues with being able to see tho? Cuz ik with leaning into drops you lose some visibility as apposed to straight bars.
"Gravel bikes" are basically road bikes with wider forks to accomodate wider tires. Only Mountain-Bikes have suspensions.
The Big bike manufactures have shock-absorbing (not suspensions) forks on gravel bikes (and sometimes on road bikes too) , but they make you pay for it
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I have way too many bikes, otherwise I'd pick one up. The drivetrain specs are a little meh but I'm sure they work fine and can pretty easily be upgraded.
For those of you familiar with the Intense brand, you might be asking what these 951 models are---apparently they're special makeups for Costco but the same frames as Intense's retail models. Here's what I found online:
The 120mm-travel 951 XC has the same frame as the Intense Sniper T.
The 951 Trail is based on the Intense Primer 29 and has the exact same 140mm-travel frame.
Clearance for much larger tires, generally up at least 45mm wide, as compared to road bikes, which used to top out at 28mm wide, now 32mm-ish. Some gravel bikes will clear 50-60mm tires, which puts you squarely in the narrow end of mountain bike tires. This is the biggest differentiator in the road/gravel divide.
Gravel bikes generally have a wider overall gear range than road bikes, as there is the expectation you'll be headed off-road. Generally there are lower "low" gears on a gravel bike for riding dirt and sketchy climbs.
Gravel bikes tend to have slightly more relaxed frame angles (we call it "geometry") for a less aggressive riding position than road bikes. There are gravel bikes with racier fits like road bikes, but they are in the minority. Most modern gravel bikes fit like a cross between a road bike and a late 00's MTB.
Gravel bikes have frame specifically designed to handle the abuse of being ridden off road. Some are more overbuilt than others, but all of them are designed to handle what people would consider easy MTB trails.
Those are the big differences. You can absolutely put slick/skinnier tires on a gravel bike and ride it on the road. It will just be a touch slower than a dedicated road bike. If you were on the fence about pure road vs. gravel, I'd side with gravel at this time as it's much more versatile with only minor penalties to speed.
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Often mixed up with hybrid bikes.
If you intend to upgrade fast, maybe the SRAM makes more sense, but I like my GRX400, and this has the 810, which is a pretty big upgrade over that.
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- Clearance for much larger tires, generally up at least 45mm wide, as compared to road bikes, which used to top out at 28mm wide, now 32mm-ish. Some gravel bikes will clear 50-60mm tires, which puts you squarely in the narrow end of mountain bike tires. This is the biggest differentiator in the road/gravel divide.
- Gravel bikes generally have a wider overall gear range than road bikes, as there is the expectation you'll be headed off-road. Generally there are lower "low" gears on a gravel bike for riding dirt and sketchy climbs.
- Gravel bikes tend to have slightly more relaxed frame angles (we call it "geometry") for a less aggressive riding position than road bikes. There are gravel bikes with racier fits like road bikes, but they are in the minority. Most modern gravel bikes fit like a cross between a road bike and a late 00's MTB.
- Gravel bikes have frame specifically designed to handle the abuse of being ridden off road. Some are more overbuilt than others, but all of them are designed to handle what people would consider easy MTB trails.
Those are the big differences. You can absolutely put slick/skinnier tires on a gravel bike and ride it on the road. It will just be a touch slower than a dedicated road bike. If you were on the fence about pure road vs. gravel, I'd side with gravel at this time as it's much more versatile with only minor penalties to speed.Often mixed up with hybrid bikes.
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Some have geometry that is conducive to a more compliant rear, so that gives a little more comfort in the back.
There's far more to bikes than drop bar or no drop bar.
Sram tire pressure calculator: https://axs.sram.com/guides/tire/pressure
You get a bunch more motion for your watts on a gravel bike, but steeper trail climbs are a hard no imo. Anything like gravel service roads, and most non-trail (and green trails) descends are easily doable with a gravel bike. Helps your technique too.
You get a bunch more motion for your watts on a gravel bike, but steeper trail climbs are a hard no imo. Anything like gravel service roads, and most non-trail (and green trails) descends are easily doable with a gravel bike. Helps your technique too.
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The 2x lowest gear is 30/34 for a .88 ratio.
The 1x lowest gear is 40/44 for a .91 ratio.
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The Big bike manufactures have shock-absorbing (not suspensions) forks on gravel bikes (and sometimes on road bikes too) , but they make you pay for it
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