https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B09FRRWVWX/
$230-$20(clippable coupon) =$210
It's not a great deal.
It only becomes a "deal" because every name brand is jacking up their price (samsung 870 evo 4TB is currently at whopping $321)
Only buy if you ABSOLUTELY need a name brand 4TB SSD in the near future, otherwise please boycott this disgusting price manipulation...
I had to buy one because the 4TB SSD I bought from a previous deal had InnoGrit IG5236 controller and it keeps on disconnecting itself whenever under heavier load...stay far far away from each one on this list and others who uses this same controller
https://www.techpowerup.com/ssd-s...ler=IG5236 
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Cutting back production is as much "artificial price rise" as increasing production is "artificial price drop". It's often illustrated by the humble supply / demand curve. Just because you make more product doesn't mean you actually make more money. This concept is usually introduced before reaching the 8th year of basic schooling, but general education isn't exactly improving these days.
The biggest reason why all the major manufacturers reduced production is because of low demand. If I remember right, the last holdout, Samsung, kept volume high for months trying to gain market share before cutting back as their losses literally mushroomed to so high it threatened bankruptcy. The reason it takes months to feel the effects is because it literally takes months to make a chip, so market prices took a while to reverse.
This boom burst cycle happens in every commodity industry. Life isn't like Sim City with an overseeing authority who can carefully manage every aspect of production to match supply and demand closely with immediate effect. In real life, people overestimate and underestimate by massive margins, with egos and self interests, and the result is booms and busts.
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Cutting back production is as much "artificial price rise" as increasing production is "artificial price drop". It's often illustrated by the humble supply / demand curve. Just because you make more product doesn't mean you actually make more money. This concept is usually introduced before reaching the 8th year of basic schooling, but general education isn't exactly improving these days.
The biggest reason why all the major manufacturers reduced production is because of low demand. If I remember right, the last holdout, Samsung, kept volume high for months trying to gain market share before cutting back as their losses literally mushroomed to so high it threatened bankruptcy. The reason it takes months to feel the effects is because it literally takes months to make a chip, so market prices took a while to reverse.
This boom burst cycle happens in every commodity industry. Life isn't like Sim City with an overseeing authority who can carefully manage every aspect of production to match supply and demand closely with immediate effect. In real life, people overestimate and underestimate by massive margins, with egos and self interests, and the result is booms and busts.
the concept of being a corporate bootlicker can also be taught at any age but apparently some of you never got that talk
the concept of being a corporate bootlicker can also be taught at any age but apparently some of you never got that talk
Also, I agree with the bootlicking. It is definitely one of those behaviors learned from personal experience and very often projected onto others while difficult to recognize in oneself. It's a similar conundrum with the idea of "once a sinner, always a sinner" and forgiving oneself. One big reason why ex-cons have so much trouble applying for work even though in principle they've been absolved of their crimes.
Also, I agree with the bootlicking. It is definitely one of those behaviors learned from personal experience and very often projected onto others while difficult to recognize in oneself. It's a similar conundrum with the idea of "once a sinner, always a sinner" and forgiving oneself. One big reason why ex-cons have so much trouble applying for work even though in principle they've been absolved of their crimes.
low supply high demand
if I have 1000 apples and 1000 people want one, it get a relative price
supply meets demand
if I have 10000 apples and 1000 people want one
oversupply... same demand
but now I only say I have 900 apples and price gouge artificially
they have proven to have the capacity to make many more and price lower, but they won't anymore.... and yet you defend said practice by calling consumers dumb yet failing to realize your own mistake
and you claim people have to go back to 8th grade
low supply high demand
if I have 1000 apples and 1000 people want one, it get a relative price
supply meets demand
if I have 10000 apples and 1000 people want one
oversupply... same demand
but now I only say I have 900 apples and price gouge artificially
they have proven to have the capacity to make many more and price lower, but they won't anymore.... and yet you defend said practice by calling consumers dumb yet failing to realize your own mistake
and you claim people have to go back to 8th grade
10/1000 is low supply, high demand.
1000 / 1000 demand is relatively equal supply and demand.
10000 / 1000 demand is high supply, low demand.
And the market price pushes up and down with supply and demand.
If you have 10000 product but only release 900 to sell, that's also 900 supply. Market doesn't really care how many exist in the world, mostly how many can be sold/acquired/transferred/etc. That's how you get into scenarios like "off the market".
Also, I feel like you're thinking of price fixing and not price gouging. That's a different discussion.
Just to reiterate. If you're really losing money on each product you make, it's literally more profitable to idle your production line and do nothing. It's one reason why many people like to say markets are self correcting, but that is also another, much more in depth, discussion.
Like the first comment mentioned and you repeated, memory manufacturers have proven capacity to make more and price lower. It was part of the reason they decided to make less product. Just because you have the ability to make more doesn't mean it's a good idea. Just look at Atari.
Also, I never claimed people have to go back to the 8th grade. I'm guessing you misread an earlier comment. Apologies for the misunderstanding. Let me expand on that a bit more for you.
People don't have to attend 8th grade again just to get an introduction to some topic. School systems vary wildly and teach different topics at different years with different lesson plans and methods, etc. Your idea of what is taught in 8th year is most likely different from what most other people would think up.
Most of all, people grow up taking different paths and there's no good reason we can't learn the same things at different ages, or just different things from each other. There is far too much knowledge available in this world for any one person to learn in a single lifetime as it is. And unlike flash drives, people are not made to spec off the same production line.
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10/1000 is low supply, high demand.
1000 / 1000 demand is relatively equal supply and demand.
10000 / 1000 demand is high supply, low demand.
And the market price pushes up and down with supply and demand.
If you have 10000 product but only release 900 to sell, that's also 900 supply. Market doesn't really care how many exist in the world, mostly how many can be sold/acquired/transferred/etc. That's how you get into scenarios like "off the market".
Also, I feel like you're thinking of price fixing and not price gouging. That's a different discussion.
Just to reiterate. If you're really losing money on each product you make, it's literally more profitable to idle your production line and do nothing. It's one reason why many people like to say markets are self correcting, but that is also another, much more in depth, discussion.
Like the first comment mentioned and you repeated, memory manufacturers have proven capacity to make more and price lower. It was part of the reason they decided to make less product. Just because you have the ability to make more doesn't mean it's a good idea. Just look at Atari.
Also, I never claimed people have to go back to the 8th grade. I'm guessing you misread an earlier comment. Apologies for the misunderstanding. Let me expand on that a bit more for you.
People don't have to attend 8th grade again just to get an introduction to some topic. School systems vary wildly and teach different topics at different years with different lesson plans and methods, etc. Your idea of what is taught in 8th year is most likely different from what most other people would think up.
Most of all, people grow up taking different paths and there's no good reason we can't learn the same things at different ages, or just different things from each other. There is far too much knowledge available in this world for any one person to learn in a single lifetime as it is. And unlike flash drives, people are not made to spec off the same production line.
Like the first comment mentioned and you repeated, memory manufacturers have proven capacity to make more and price lower. It was part of the reason they decided to make less product. Just because you have the ability to make more doesn't mean it's a good idea. Just look at Atari.
Regarding self correcting markets, there's a lot that goes into such an assumption... for one, no barriers to entry and the suggestion that if prices go too high then other producers will step up to compete. The problem is there's a bit of an oligopoly of NAND producers. They aren't just adjusting prices to respond to supply and demand, they are actively taking advantage of ongoing trade wars such as sanctions on YMTC; not saying whether it's right or wrong to go after the Chinese companies but it is a factor in the current pricing as well. This isn't a free market by any stretch.
Regardless, it's our right as consumers to call it out and decide not to support the market manipulation if we don't absolutely need a drive.
In any case, $210 isn't terrible for 4TB of TLC with DRAM.. not as good as the $165 from just a few months ago but not terrible. But considering I bought two of these a few months ago and one failed with light use, I'm hoping there isn't a wider problem with this drive. I'd probably take my chances at the lower price point but for $210 I expect better QA and a reliable drive. Fortunately the RMA process was straight forward and I had a replacement right away... currently not installed, I just connected it to scan and then put it back in the box for now. Otherwise no complaints, but I'm leery.
I did load up on MU shares during the industry oversupply and hence negative sentiment amoung investors. I think if you missed out on NVDA and AMD, MU MSFT and SNPS are good ways to play the AI theme at current price levels.
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