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expiredThaiM posted Mar 27, 2024 01:33 PM

2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th

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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th

Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.


Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000

https://www.fiskerinc.com/
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2023 Fisker Ocean Trim price cuts STARTS MARCH 29th

Previous MSR. New MSRP Price. Difference.


Ocean Sport $38,999 $24,999 -$14,000
Ocean Ultra $52,999 $34,999 -$18,000
Ocean Extreme $61,499 $37,499 -$24,000

https://www.fiskerinc.com/

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Mar 31, 2024 02:49 PM
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SociablePenguin235Mar 31, 2024 02:49 PM
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Don't buy this car especially if you are taking a loan. You will be better off with Hertz used Tesla. This is NOT a ICE car that any mechanic can fix. It is a software driven car that controls car critical functions . Not even other EV manufacturers shop can fix it. Even after every month updates Tesla have issues. Assume that there is more than 50% chance that you will have critical software issue that will impact driving and safety
Mar 31, 2024 02:49 PM
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ocbruinMar 31, 2024 02:49 PM
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Quote from daisuke149 :
Freakin yikes. The bands of unintelligent uneducated crackpots have invaded slickdeals.

Oh im referring to all you "EV is bad" "battery is bad" electricity is bad" dingbats.
Are EVs really more "green"? Or even provide more value than combustible vehicles? Provide more "security"and less dependence on foreign nations?

Unsure:
- while combustion particulate matter is reduced, the heavier weight of vehicles leads to more consumption, landfill waste and emissions of tire rubber and brake matter into atmosphere and what we breathe -not usable my other life to be recycled
- EV vehicles themselves may have less longevity. The 2nd hand market for EVs is poor -no one wants them. Expensive repairs leads to "salvage titles"on vehicles hardly damaged. A lot of these vehicles will be kicked compared to combustion vehicles which can easily be restored and go through many owners.
- we may be trading dependence on middle Eastern nations to China. Growth of African governments with precious metals for batteries are bank rolled by China. The seas and trade routes around Africa are slowly being controlled by China.
- the leading EV producer is China and they are going after the euro market hard and overtaking Tesla
- are total costs for EVs vs combustion for consumers ever talked about? New EV cost(increase) + EV resale value (reduced) + service costs (reduced with regular maintenance, increased for consumables, increased for repairs)) + gas costs(NA) + insurance (increased) + home infrastructure costs( increased plus dependence on inflating electrical prices and electric monopolies) + convenience(wait time increases, depleted battery anxiety, broken charge stations)
- everything about EVs don't follow KISS (keep it stupid simple) engineering principles for the base product nor supply chain.

The model certainly will make more money for pioneering industries, but better for the consumer, society or environment..... Doubtful.
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Mar 31, 2024 02:51 PM
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chivasMar 31, 2024 02:51 PM
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Quote from jramirex :
I would buy one at like 15k-20k just to have a mobile battery bank.
How many kilowatts is this thing? Does it reverse power output?
Mar 31, 2024 02:51 PM
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BryanB5769Mar 31, 2024 02:51 PM
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Going out of business sale
Mar 31, 2024 02:53 PM
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KnightshadeMar 31, 2024 02:53 PM
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Quote from Thrak410 :
LOL yeah right... nothing would ever get delivered if they weren't allowed to drive slightly more than an hour a day shake head
Thanks for catching the typo first of all.... and yes of course it's 60 hours in -7- days no 70.

Which doesn't change any of the points that spawned out of that-- charging during the 10 hours between shifts mandatory downtime, and the 30 minute-every-8-hours required break is plenty enough to cover the vast majority of semi trucking needs.


Nobody drives 1000-1500 miles a day because you legally can't. The majority (roughly 2 out of every 3) truck routes are 500 miles or less total... so a 500 mile range EV semi covers all those without even charging prior to destination....and longer destinations- you can get back 70% of charge during your 30 minute mandatory break after 8 hours... so you're talking 850 miles per day of effective range without any added stopping- and you're not legally driving more than that anyway (usually less)



Quote from AlexK6706 :
Where is electricity coming from though? lol

Most EVs charge overnight, when grid demand is already lowest. This is not at all a problem.

Nor is growing capacity to meet demand over time-- the Engineering Explained guy debunks the "GRID CAN NOT HANDLE IT" FUD here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfyG6FXsUU
Last edited by Knightshade March 31, 2024 at 09:09 AM.
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Mar 31, 2024 02:59 PM
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KnightshadeMar 31, 2024 02:59 PM
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Quote from ocbruin :
Are EVs really more "green"?
Yes.

Factually and demonstrably.

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles...icle-myths

Quote from EPA :
FACT: Electric vehicles typically have a smaller carbon footprint than gasoline cars, even when accounting for the electricity used for charging

FACT: The greenhouse gas emissions associated with an electric vehicle over its lifetime are typically lower than those from an average gasoline-powered vehicle, even when accounting for manufacturing.
Quote from ocbruin :
- EV vehicles themselves may have less longevity
Why?

They have vastly fewer moving parts-- and fleet data from Tesla going back 12 years now shows the batteries tend to last longer than the average lifespan of an ICE vehicle on the road... (at over 200k miles Tesla batteries, even the oldest, since-improved-on types, retain nearly 90% of original range).




Quote from ocbruin :
- are total costs for EVs vs combustion for consumers ever talked about?
Often. And EVs look pretty good here.

https://thedriven.io/2023/04/27/t...r-5-years/

Quote :
Tesla Model 3 total cost of ownership similar to Toyota Corolla over 5 years
And of course the Tesla is a much nicer car to drive over that time too.


Quote from ocbruin :
- everything about EVs don't follow KISS (keep it stupid simple) engineering principles for the base product nor supply chain.
Utter nonsense.

Properly designed EVs are much simpler from an engineering perspective.


if you're genuinely interested in being educated on this, Sandy Munro the well known auto engineer who does vehicle teardowns and analysis compares the cooling system of a properly engineered EV (the Tesla Model Y) to the hilariously heavier/more expensive/more complex ICE-derived cooling system in the Mach E here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kHsd3Ocxc
Last edited by Knightshade March 31, 2024 at 09:12 AM.
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Mar 31, 2024 02:59 PM
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Arok79Mar 31, 2024 02:59 PM
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This company won't be around long enough to service their product.

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Mar 31, 2024 03:03 PM
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MehmetO2427Mar 31, 2024 03:03 PM
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who is buying the car the company will not be here in 3 years
Mar 31, 2024 03:04 PM
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positivepandaMar 31, 2024 03:04 PM
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Software issue and you are done. Who do you go to then? Think about it before buying this.
Mar 31, 2024 03:07 PM
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FeistyPocket544Mar 31, 2024 03:07 PM
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They are trying to get you a car that depends in your luck for how long it will last. This is an all sales are final and buy at your own risk here.
Mar 31, 2024 03:07 PM
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keanefan72Mar 31, 2024 03:07 PM
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Waiting for a BOGO deal to pop up from them, then I'm all over it.
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Mar 31, 2024 03:08 PM
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BushrodMar 31, 2024 03:08 PM
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Such a cool-looking car with great features. It seems most of the problems come down to shitty software, which normally would improve over time, but not if the company goes bankrupt. Too risky for me.
Mar 31, 2024 03:08 PM
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dcmanryanMar 31, 2024 03:08 PM
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Yikes. Anyone dumb enough to buy this car gets what they deserve. A bankruptcy at this point is almost inevitable. .02 cents will buy you a share of their stock.
Last edited by dcmanryan March 31, 2024 at 09:21 AM.
Mar 31, 2024 03:09 PM
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Thrak410Mar 31, 2024 03:09 PM
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Quote from Knightshade :
Thanks for catching the typo first of all.... and yes of course it's 60 hours in -7- days no 70.

Which doesn't change any of the points that spawned out of that-- charging during the 10 hours between shifts mandatory downtime, and the 30 minute-every-8-hours required break is plenty enough to cover the vast majority of semi trucking needs.


Nobody drives 1000-1500 miles a day because you legally can't.
There is no 10 hour block of mandatory downtime... mandating EV for the trucking industry would cripple it, and the entire economy. Get your fan boi hat off.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulat...egulations

Quote :
Drivers may split their required 10-hour off-duty period, as long as one off-duty period (whether in or out of the sleeper berth) is at least 2 hours long and the other involves at least 7 consecutive hours spent in the sleeper berth. All sleeper berth pairings MUST add up to at least 10 hours. When used together, neither time period counts against the maximum 14- hour driving window.
Interesting you don't think any driver could average 75mph over a 14 hour period to reach 1000mi. (including 30min break at some point)
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Mar 31, 2024 03:09 PM
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visualxMar 31, 2024 03:09 PM
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Quote from Vigilante375 :
80k for a long range Model Y? Lol. I find that hard to believe. It's $41k (after the 7.5k instant rebate). Full self driving is an $12k option and the few other options add up to maybe another 4k.

Anyone can see that on their website right now.

Fisker is doing this fire sale due to their inability to keep customer deposits in order and are now bleeding money because of this.
He's referring to before Tesla cut their prices.

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