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SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5” SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station

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Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

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  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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Update: This popular deal is available again with a new promo code.

Amazon has SABRENT 10 Bay 3.5" SATA Hard Drive Tray Less Docking Station (DS-UCTB) on sale for $398.38 when you apply promo code 200XUCTB during checkout. Shipping is free.

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About this Item:
  • USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C port supports transfer speeds of up to 10 Gbps
  • 10x SATA 6 Gbit/s 3.5" hard drive tray-less bays
  • Hot-Swappable with 10 independent ON/OFF power switches
  • Two 120mm fans for additional cooling capability
  • Note: This multi-bay station does NOT have built in RAID functionality. However, software RAID configurations are possible

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RelaxedRose979
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The issue is 10 drives sharing the 10Gbps USB 3.1 gen 2 interface. Hardware RAID is no longer recommended as software can keep up and gives the flexibility in not being paired with a specific controller or losing all of your data.

The Mini PCs we normally see listed max out with 2.5Gbps networking. So this would be able to keep up and saturate the pipe. If you needed more bandwidth, having separate direct SATA connections would be needed, likely with some type of external SAS connection.

10 drives is very large, unless you are going for extremely cheap small drives to fill the array. IMO it's better to use larger drives as each drive consumes power to run. UGreen has a Kickstarter going right now that has some really crazy deals for NASes that are supposed to ship in June. You might be more bang for your buck there.

Also, anyone thinking of using this many drives, Go with at least one parity disk, or even better two. The chance of data loss increases as you move to more and more drives. Not caring about movies on a single 10TB drive... fine. Not caring about 180TB, that's going to be a much larger pain to replace everything.
wherestheanykey
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Be sure to throw it on a UPS.

I was checking what level of support it has from Sabrent (zero, they have really gone downhill with firmware updates) and there's a thread about how it doesn't have automatic power recovery to bring the drives back up after power loss.
iconian
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they are sausages, not hot dogs, get it right!


actually, i am not even sure of the reference? but sabrent is very well known in ssd and pc component business for the last 5-10 years

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Apr 08, 2024 02:08 PM
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jerryfreakApr 08, 2024 02:08 PM
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Quote from cpgeek :
you can get smart data through a raid card in it mode (which makes it just an hba, which is usually what i recommend for most setups)
i used to use hardware raid cards and now use ZFS. its trivial to set up a pool with parity and the file system literally checks itself for errors. i have a terramaster 5 bay usb-c, ive had different controllers not work, but the usb controllers that do work, work flawlessly with no interrupts/disconnects.

i made the switch based on the advice of pros that in the modern day cpus are plenty powerful to handle parity and exceed all but the highest end hardware raid controllers, also the fact that rebuilding arrays in the event your raid controller fails is sometimes impossible

zfs pool is portable and can easily be imported to any machine
that said two terramaster d500-cs are cheaper than this 10-bay
Apr 08, 2024 05:00 PM
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MyndFXApr 08, 2024 05:00 PM
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The only use case that I can see myself personally using it for is to throw all of my outdated disks that I pulled and sticking them in this thing as a JBOD device. Then use it for backing up non-mission critical stuff that I could always just download again later.

Somebody mentioned using BackBlaze Personal (which has unlimited storage) for your third backup. Storing it on BackBlaze is one thing, retrieving more than 8 TB of data from it is a royal PITA from what I hear. I guess that if your largest disk size that you put in this thing was 8 TB, then that would be a non-issue.
Apr 08, 2024 05:32 PM
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MyndFXApr 08, 2024 05:32 PM
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Does anyone know if this dock supports hard drives with the power disable feature (PWDIS) without having to cover the one SATA pin with kapton tape? Some WD Ultrastars and shucked Easystores have PWDIS.
Apr 08, 2024 05:39 PM
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excoriatorbApr 08, 2024 05:39 PM
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Quote from mrdizle :
Sorry that is Sabrett
There's also Sabra, the Israeli company that makes hummus.
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Apr 09, 2024 08:01 AM
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namlookApr 09, 2024 08:01 AM
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Quote from MyndFX :
Does anyone know if this dock supports hard drives with the power disable feature (PWDIS) without having to cover the one SATA pin with kapton tape? Some WD Ultrastars and shucked Easystores have PWDIS.
You don't need to cover pins when connecting drives via USB docks.

Quote from MyndFX :
Somebody mentioned using BackBlaze Personal (which has unlimited storage) for your third backup. Storing it on BackBlaze is one thing, retrieving more than 8 TB of data from it is a royal PITA from what I hear. I guess that if your largest disk size that you put in this thing was 8 TB, then that would be a non-issue.
Seems like you would just order additional 8TB drives from BB to cover data lost that's more than 8TB. Do they not do that?
Last edited by namlook April 9, 2024 at 01:13 AM.
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Apr 09, 2024 09:23 AM
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AquaGalley8616Apr 09, 2024 09:23 AM
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I'm just adding another option that I personally have tried that works for me at the moment.

Syba SY-ENC50104 4 Bay 3.5" SATA III HDD Non-RAID Enclosure – Supports USB 3.0 & eSATA Interface, Black
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B076ZH2...tails&th=1

These 4-bays go on sale for around 99 dollars for 4-bay. Then I put Enterprise drives in them and get about 225 Mps speeds.
It has a built in fan, but in the summer I add a fan pointing into the device and look at smart to monitor the temps.

Now, I put smart plug on these units and say" Alexa turn on my 4-bay", and it is up and running in about 15 seconds.

Research options and then make informed choice for your situation.

Happy Shopping.

Apr 09, 2024 04:31 PM
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MyndFXApr 09, 2024 04:31 PM
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Quote from namlook :
You don't need to cover pins when connecting drives via USB docks.



Seems like you would just order additional 8TB drives from BB to cover data lost that's more than 8TB. Do they not do that?
From what I've read, they'll do up to five 8TB drives per year. So that would be good enough for the average consumer but not a datahoarder. Smilie

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Apr 10, 2024 12:06 AM
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ShelbyGT500Apr 10, 2024 12:06 AM
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Add a HP elitedesk mini, add the 10gig ethernet card, running truenas/unraid would be a sweet NAS/plex server

Software raid has gotten to the point where hardware raid isnt the best, wendall/level 1 techs did a great video on the benefits of ZFS

https://youtu.be/l55GfAwa8RI?si=LVxhboyeZ4bkUttj
Last edited by ShelbyGT500 April 9, 2024 at 05:13 PM.
Apr 10, 2024 01:09 AM
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cpc13Apr 10, 2024 01:09 AM
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Quote from Nintendo1474 :
Ah, so your source is your own ass. I see.

I am also an IT professional with 25 years of experience in doing all the things you said. I also have various colleagues and former coworkers who have told me things about IT. And we all agree that you're wrong.

There, now we are on equal footing in that regard. But I'm still ahead in terms of visible, researchable links to proof.
Your "visible, researchable links to proof" are a pair of YouTube videos from the same random guy. It's clear that our ideas of "proof" are far enough apart that there's no sense in continuing this discussion. Good luck with your IT systems. I hope you do more in-depth research for the systems you claim to support than you did here.
Apr 10, 2024 01:19 AM
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cpc13Apr 10, 2024 01:19 AM
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Quote from cpgeek :
yes, most servers have system disks in raid1 for fault tolerance, but it's usually using linux md raid1 or zfs raid1, (with the latter being strongly preferred in most linux and bsd environments because it's copy-on-write which makes fault recovery way simpler to restore from, and it's better monitored (scheduled scrubbing and awareness of hardware monitoring).storage volumes for mission critical storage is typically a big zfs pool with multiple parity stripes (raidz2/raidz3) in small/medium business settings (even many large businesses), but once you hit the need for more than 3-4 storage servers, that's usually where people start enlisting ceph/glusterfs or if you're in the enterprise, something like wekafs.
In the Enterprise world, nearly all hardware servers are running Virtualized environments and the hardware RAID1 disks support VMware (or the alternate virt platform). Linux software RAID, ZFS, and similar solutions are popular in the SMB market (primarily among IT/tech companies) and start-ups, but they don't play much in the Enterprise IT market outside of specialized situations. In this market, basically every server has RAID1 OS disks, and either uses hardware RAID internal storage (for smaller situations or vSAN) and SAN storage from EMC/Dell, NetApp, Pure, etc.
Apr 17, 2024 09:28 PM
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f1ydaveApr 17, 2024 09:28 PM
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Quote from cpc13 :
My source is 25 years in the IT industry running IT/compute infrastructure for companies ranging from a smaller tech company (~150 people, ~200 servers) to a large enterprise (~20k people, ~15k+ VMs running on ~2k servers) and various environments in between. My "source" is various colleagues and and former coworkers, industry conferences, and what is deployed our data centers.

Go into any decent data center and nearly every server in nearly every rack is going to have a pair of system/OS disks on hardware RAID1. Additionally, depending on the type of computing, it's going to be using hardware RAID for local disks if its making use of local storage, or it's going to be using SAN and/or NAS in some way (which will be using hardware RAID).

This is basic, cheap "insurance" to improve the reliability and robustness of a server. You don't want to lose a physical server because the OS drive fails. That's a huge waste of time and resources to recover. Instead, business buy their servers with paired OS drives so that when a drive fails, they just ping their hardware support vendor, have a replacement disk sent out, and they hot-swap the failed disk and let the hardware RAID1 automatically rebuild it.

Backblaze blew this model out of the water long ago, and for good reason. That said, you aren't wrong that the antiquated system still is implemented everywhere by the holdover boomers.

I still have some older hardware raid OS drives still running but file system based btrfs mirror is my new boot/host format. I had a drive fail, replaced it, and it rebuilt in less than an hour to the new drive.

Raid is largely obsolete. There are much better, i.e. faster, lower power parity systems these days.


Anyway, I thought I posted this weeks ago, perhaps it was a different post...but for $400 you can get this NETAPP with 24 bays and its network based not c type cable or whatver this post unit uses.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/202404952486
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Apr 17, 2024 09:51 PM
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scythen60Apr 17, 2024 09:51 PM
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Got this when it was first posted. Make sure to test that your USB 3.x gen2 is actually getting the desired speeds by running crystaldiskmark. My usb-c labeled gen2 wasn't, but the turquoise USB next to it is. The unit is fine for energy saving focused and archival (e.g. media playback) with a ton of storage. It's really just consolidating a bunch of $10 external SATA enclosures, making it much more organized.
Apr 17, 2024 09:55 PM
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TiagojayApr 17, 2024 09:55 PM
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Seems expensive for a JBOD
Apr 17, 2024 11:31 PM
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bobbuttsApr 17, 2024 11:31 PM
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Quote from argentum :
It's a tremendous risk to drop 10 drives in such a thing. If you seriously need so many drive bays, search for a used server on Craigslist, you will find very nice ones much cheaper than this.
In 2007 or so had a 2 drive enclosure and when the fan died both drives failed and I'm still grumpy about it. Losing 10 at once would really suck.
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Apr 17, 2024 11:38 PM
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bobbuttsApr 17, 2024 11:38 PM
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Quote from ShelbyGT500 :
Add a HP elitedesk mini, add the 10gig ethernet card, running truenas/unraid would be a sweet NAS/plex server

Software raid has gotten to the point where hardware raid isnt the best, wendall/level 1 techs did a great video on the benefits of ZFS

https://youtu.be/l55GfAwa8RI?si=LVxhboyeZ4bkUttj
Truenas strongly recommends against using external drives. For Plex you don't need > 1gbps.

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