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If you planing to buy Bambu 3D printer with multicolor you should wait. Because rumor Creality will announce it next week.
And in what word does Creality make a better printer than.....well....anyone. They may be able to compete on price, but the Bambu is already pretty dang cheap.
And then wait months 1) for them to release firmware updates to fix all the bugs…2) and for promised features not available at launch 3) for 3rd parties to manufacture all the upgrade bits you need to make it work properly 4) install and test the 3rd party upgrades 5) to keep telling yourself it was good to learn all these new troubleshooting skills instead of actually printing and 6) to figure you should have bought a Bambu Lab product to start. Elapsed time? 1+ years. I personally own several Creality products and this is my experience, my opinion.
And then wait months 1) for them to release firmware updates to fix all the bugs…2) and for promised features not available at launch 3) for 3rd parties to manufacture all the upgrade bits you need to make it work properly 4) install and test the 3rd party upgrades 5) to keep telling yourself it was good to learn all these new troubleshooting skills instead of actually printing and 6) to figure you should have bought a Bambu Lab product to start. Elapsed time? 1+ years. I personally own several Creality products and this is my experience, my opinion.
Agree 100%. If anyone just wants to print and not tinker, just get a Bambu. I've been printing few days ago and only had one failed spaghetti, and that was with an 8 yrs old PLA I have laying around.
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And in what word does Creality make a better printer than.....well....anyone. They may be able to compete on price, but the Bambu is already pretty dang cheap.
I don't know about better, but they can make a printer that is just as competent.
I bought a Bambu P1S w/AMS and (2) Creality K1 Max's roughly 6 months ago when everything got very cheap for a brief time.
All three were ready to go out of the box with standard setup/calibration performed and worked perfectly. I've made hundreds of things and the worst problem from the K1's is slightly worse bed adhesion for thin items (but I do have both K1 Max's on the same hairpin legged table, so I blame myself when they are both running and the table starts to vibrate).
The worst problems I've had from the P1S are a few filament feed issues with the AMS (not really the printers fault as it's more to do with the complex accessory) and a nozzle clog issue that is a way bigger pain vs clearing a standard nozzle every other printer.
Other than those issues, both brands have been great.
As reference:
I still have 5 various enders that are pretty good now, but did require various amounts of tinkering to get right.
I have an original creality CR10 that has tons of modifications and is all but retired due to the K1 Max's ability to crush it in every way. It was great for large format prints though when that was much more difficult at the time.
5-6 various cheapo printers that are in boxes as misc./spare parts at this point (you can get way worse than creality). Don't waste money on cheap printers.
The only one I've ever sold was my very first 3D printer...the SeeMeCNC Rostock MAX V2. What an utter waste of $1,000 and many sleepless nights spent troubleshooting such an inaccurate, inconsistent piece of $hit.
People complaining of creality have no idea had bad it can get. The MAX V2 came in a flatpack box with what felt like over 1,000 pieces and took me days to build and many months to adjust. No piece was flat, straight, accurate, etc. out of the box. The marketing boasted about it's speed as a delta printer and I fell for it because speed was the only thing it had.
Very few successful prints and I sold it for $200 on craigslist and felt lucky when it was gone.
I would wait. I have both the AMS and AMS mini. They suck at multi-coloring. AMS keeps tangling because I could not transfer the spool neat enough for it to work properly and it doesn't work on cardboard. AMS mini is barely usable since the A1 mini usually have a lot of stringing. The A1 mini has a lot of flaws by design since it is a bed slinger. There will be much more stringing and models getting thrown off the plate. I do a lot of multi-coloring printing, for some reason it is really difficult for 3d printing companies to make a good one.
Being a bed slinger doesn't necessarily make it bad. It works pretty good under poor conditions. This printer can compensate for a lot of movement.
I don't know about better, but they can make a printer that is just as competent.
I bought a Bambu P1S w/AMS and (2) Creality K1 Max's roughly 6 months ago when everything got very cheap for a brief time.
All three were ready to go out of the box with standard setup/calibration performed and worked perfectly. I've made hundreds of things and the worst problem from the K1's is slightly worse bed adhesion for thin items (but I do have both K1 Max's on the same hairpin legged table, so I blame myself when they are both running and the table starts to vibrate).
The worst problems I've had from the P1S are a few filament feed issues with the AMS (not really the printers fault as it's more to do with the complex accessory) and a nozzle clog issue that is a way bigger pain vs clearing a standard nozzle every other printer.
Other than those issues, both brands have been great.
As reference:
I still have 5 various enders that are pretty good now, but did require various amounts of tinkering to get right.
I have an original creality CR10 that has tons of modifications and is all but retired due to the K1 Max's ability to crush it in every way. It was great for large format prints though when that was much more difficult at the time.
5-6 various cheapo printers that are in boxes as misc./spare parts at this point (you can get way worse than creality). Don't waste money on cheap printers.
The only one I've ever sold was my very first 3D printer...the SeeMeCNC Rostock MAX V2. What an utter waste of $1,000 and many sleepless nights spent troubleshooting such an inaccurate, inconsistent piece of $hit.
People complaining of creality have no idea had bad it can get. The MAX V2 came in a flatpack box with what felt like over 1,000 pieces and took me days to build and many months to adjust. No piece was flat, straight, accurate, etc. out of the box. The marketing boasted about it's speed as a delta printer and I fell for it because speed was the only thing it had.
Very few successful prints and I sold it for $200 on craigslist and felt lucky when it was gone.
since you went through various 3d printers.
which one do u look forward to more?
1. creality with multi-material/color addon similar to bambu
vs
2. bambu's larger printer similar to the creality k1max
at a glance they are going at each other lol. where is our OG prusa?!
I would not trust these videos so much. This one I've seen before purchasing. In the real world, when you're A1 mini strings like crazy and the same filament works perfectly on my P1P. That's when you really see the design trade off between a bed slinger and core-xy.
which one do u look forward to more?
1. creality with multi-material/color addon similar to bambu
vs
2. bambu's larger printer similar to the creality k1max
at a glance they are going at each other lol. where is our OG prusa?!
Neither are options I've looked into. My printers do everything I want at the moment because of how fast they are. The speed and accuracy of my latest 3 printers is almost everything I could every hope for in a 3D printer.
There are way smarter people than I looking into building DIY color printing options and I will look into those when something comes up where I need it, so creality's color print option will be intriguing if they learn from Bambu's mistakes. In my case, an addon will probably be cheaper than buying a new large format from printer from Bambu. I think price answers your question. The Bambu printer will probably be in the $1,500 range for the printer only with the existing AMS add-on that adds $350. That's if Bambu doesn't come out with a large format AMS at the same time that has upgrades compared to the existing unit and possibly holding larger 3KG rolls.
I've never owned a Prusa. I couldn't see the value offered worth the price. I was happy with modifying creality printers and learning things along the way. Bambu was the first brand that got a large chunk of money from me after my experience being burned by the rostock.
The next thing I'm looking forward to is affordable XXL printers.
I missed out on the early bird deals for this printer and the earliest was ~10 months from ordering, so I decided to wait. But I am keeping my eye out on these giant printers, and potential competitors.
I like building and printing light fixtures for Christmas presents because they are such a hit. Can't wait to print larger whole fixtures. https://www.kickstarter.com/proje...escription
Some examples:
The huge horns were used as prosthetics to win a Halloween contest (printed as large as I could angle them in the K1 Max enclosure with supports). This was a test run on adhesives and airbrushing.
Rain scene was on the K1 Max to test that cool stringing technique.
Acorn light was a single piece that maxed out the Bambu P1S (I believe I shrunk it on the Z axis to make it fit).
The floating cow is a fun decoration printed on the P1S. Completely possible on a standard printer, but you would have to change filaments for each color and probably use permanent marker for the cow details if I had to do it again with single colors.
The fox is tiny and took something like 16 hours to print with all the color changes. Not worth it considering I threw more plastic away as waste droppings than actually went in the print. But it was one of my first prints on the printer, so sacrifices were made.
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I would not trust these videos so much. This one I've seen before purchasing. In the real world, when you're A1 mini strings like crazy and the same filament works perfectly on my P1P. That's when you really see the design trade off between a bed slinger and core-xy.
Makers Muse has plenty of videos contradicting brands claims as well. I believe his opinion over several more popular 3D printer youtubers. It's not gospel, but it's good info.
As almost every printer I've had was a "bed slinger", they do have their temperamental issues at times. though sometimes, it's just luck of the draw. The internet is full of people on both sides of the fence.
I would not hesitate to recommend one to a beginner that is willing to learn how to work on it. "Bed slingers" can have issues, but (in my opinion) are the easiest to work on.
My Bambu P1S is one of the hardest to work on because it's difficult to get to anything without removing portions of the machine.
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Was hoping the P1S would see a price drop also soon. Not sure how much longer I can wait before just buying.
The A1 has some features better than the P1S and the X1. The A1 is the most likely to print a job without errors of any printer I have ever used.
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I bought a Bambu P1S w/AMS and (2) Creality K1 Max's roughly 6 months ago when everything got very cheap for a brief time.
All three were ready to go out of the box with standard setup/calibration performed and worked perfectly. I've made hundreds of things and the worst problem from the K1's is slightly worse bed adhesion for thin items (but I do have both K1 Max's on the same hairpin legged table, so I blame myself when they are both running and the table starts to vibrate).
The worst problems I've had from the P1S are a few filament feed issues with the AMS (not really the printers fault as it's more to do with the complex accessory) and a nozzle clog issue that is a way bigger pain vs clearing a standard nozzle every other printer.
Other than those issues, both brands have been great.
As reference:
I still have 5 various enders that are pretty good now, but did require various amounts of tinkering to get right.
I have an original creality CR10 that has tons of modifications and is all but retired due to the K1 Max's ability to crush it in every way. It was great for large format prints though when that was much more difficult at the time.
5-6 various cheapo printers that are in boxes as misc./spare parts at this point (you can get way worse than creality). Don't waste money on cheap printers.
The only one I've ever sold was my very first 3D printer...the SeeMeCNC Rostock MAX V2. What an utter waste of $1,000 and many sleepless nights spent troubleshooting such an inaccurate, inconsistent piece of $hit.
People complaining of creality have no idea had bad it can get. The MAX V2 came in a flatpack box with what felt like over 1,000 pieces and took me days to build and many months to adjust. No piece was flat, straight, accurate, etc. out of the box. The marketing boasted about it's speed as a delta printer and I fell for it because speed was the only thing it had.
Very few successful prints and I sold it for $200 on craigslist and felt lucky when it was gone.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-eLhKdKAdk
I bought a Bambu P1S w/AMS and (2) Creality K1 Max's roughly 6 months ago when everything got very cheap for a brief time.
All three were ready to go out of the box with standard setup/calibration performed and worked perfectly. I've made hundreds of things and the worst problem from the K1's is slightly worse bed adhesion for thin items (but I do have both K1 Max's on the same hairpin legged table, so I blame myself when they are both running and the table starts to vibrate).
The worst problems I've had from the P1S are a few filament feed issues with the AMS (not really the printers fault as it's more to do with the complex accessory) and a nozzle clog issue that is a way bigger pain vs clearing a standard nozzle every other printer.
Other than those issues, both brands have been great.
As reference:
I still have 5 various enders that are pretty good now, but did require various amounts of tinkering to get right.
I have an original creality CR10 that has tons of modifications and is all but retired due to the K1 Max's ability to crush it in every way. It was great for large format prints though when that was much more difficult at the time.
5-6 various cheapo printers that are in boxes as misc./spare parts at this point (you can get way worse than creality). Don't waste money on cheap printers.
The only one I've ever sold was my very first 3D printer...the SeeMeCNC Rostock MAX V2. What an utter waste of $1,000 and many sleepless nights spent troubleshooting such an inaccurate, inconsistent piece of $hit.
People complaining of creality have no idea had bad it can get. The MAX V2 came in a flatpack box with what felt like over 1,000 pieces and took me days to build and many months to adjust. No piece was flat, straight, accurate, etc. out of the box. The marketing boasted about it's speed as a delta printer and I fell for it because speed was the only thing it had.
Very few successful prints and I sold it for $200 on craigslist and felt lucky when it was gone.
which one do u look forward to more?
1. creality with multi-material/color addon similar to bambu
vs
2. bambu's larger printer similar to the creality k1max
at a glance they are going at each other lol. where is our OG prusa?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-eLhKdKAdk
which one do u look forward to more?
1. creality with multi-material/color addon similar to bambu
vs
2. bambu's larger printer similar to the creality k1max
at a glance they are going at each other lol. where is our OG prusa?!
There are way smarter people than I looking into building DIY color printing options and I will look into those when something comes up where I need it, so creality's color print option will be intriguing if they learn from Bambu's mistakes. In my case, an addon will probably be cheaper than buying a new large format from printer from Bambu. I think price answers your question. The Bambu printer will probably be in the $1,500 range for the printer only with the existing AMS add-on that adds $350. That's if Bambu doesn't come out with a large format AMS at the same time that has upgrades compared to the existing unit and possibly holding larger 3KG rolls.
I've never owned a Prusa. I couldn't see the value offered worth the price. I was happy with modifying creality printers and learning things along the way. Bambu was the first brand that got a large chunk of money from me after my experience being burned by the rostock.
The next thing I'm looking forward to is affordable XXL printers.
I missed out on the early bird deals for this printer and the earliest was ~10 months from ordering, so I decided to wait. But I am keeping my eye out on these giant printers, and potential competitors.
I like building and printing light fixtures for Christmas presents because they are such a hit. Can't wait to print larger whole fixtures.
https://www.kickstarter
Some examples:
The huge horns were used as prosthetics to win a Halloween contest (printed as large as I could angle them in the K1 Max enclosure with supports). This was a test run on adhesives and airbrushing.
Rain scene was on the K1 Max to test that cool stringing technique.
Acorn light was a single piece that maxed out the Bambu P1S (I believe I shrunk it on the Z axis to make it fit).
The floating cow is a fun decoration printed on the P1S. Completely possible on a standard printer, but you would have to change filaments for each color and probably use permanent marker for the cow details if I had to do it again with single colors.
The fox is tiny and took something like 16 hours to print with all the color changes. Not worth it considering I threw more plastic away as waste droppings than actually went in the print. But it was one of my first prints on the printer, so sacrifices were made.
As almost every printer I've had was a "bed slinger", they do have their temperamental issues at times. though sometimes, it's just luck of the draw. The internet is full of people on both sides of the fence.
I would not hesitate to recommend one to a beginner that is willing to learn how to work on it. "Bed slingers" can have issues, but (in my opinion) are the easiest to work on.
My Bambu P1S is one of the hardest to work on because it's difficult to get to anything without removing portions of the machine.
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The A1 mini revolutionizes flow control in 3D printing. It utilizes a high-resolution, high-frequency eddy current sensor to measure the pressure in the nozzle. Our algorithm actively compensates the flow rate according to the readings to extrude with accuracy.
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