Yes, if I'm understanding you correctly you are on the right track - the 13" Air, 15" Air, and 14" Pro all come with an M3 (NOT M3 Pro) in the base configs. The 14" Pro is able to be configured up to a M3 Pro or M3 Max where the Air's are not. The 16" Pro base config has an M3 Pro that can be configured up to a M3 Max.
The "Pro" term gets confusing when you can have use it with the M3 or MacBook (ex. M3 MacBook Pro vs M3 Pro MacBook Pro).
It can get confusing but it's just 3 variants now but you just need deal with *2*
M3 - this is in the Air models and base "Pro". 8 CPUs and 7-8 GPUs. Modest machine and 16GB can let you run local LLMs of 8B parameters which is around 5GB in size. You can run smaller models on 8GB machines. There are trade-offs but you can sure do a lot even with 8GB on some of the cool toys and hip AI trends.
M3 Pro - this is in the "Pro line" but need to check the CPU because the base 14" Pro has the regular M3 chip just like the Air. It's annoying but it happened. CPU is between 8 to 12 CPUs depending on pricing. GPU you can look it up but I don't think you're worried about that
Mind you that the base M3 chip is VERY fast, it is the fastest Single Core CPU right now on the Macbooks, M4 will be even faster but that's only in the iPad Pro right now. 16GB will last you a while, some people will poo poo on 8GB but I find it ok for students and casual users who are not running heavy apps required for "Engineering" as an example. For most people, if you're asking, you probably don't need Pro lines CPUs. Because if you are in a specific profession, you'd probably know the power you need and have already been exposed yourself or co-workers who knows which machine spec is necessary.
M3 Max - higher spec 14 or 16 CPUs and 30 or 40 GPUs
Mx Ultra - no M3 Ultra this time but should come on the M4 Chip later this year or latest 2025. Most people cannot exhaust M3 Max as it is, M4 is just going to be even more OP but if you can afford it, go for OP!
Smaller but miniLED screen, more ports, heavier, better speakers, single fan, space gray. The differences have been beaten to death on sd, but that's a quick summary. Think of it as an updated/upgraded replacement for the retired 13" touch bar MBP.
Connection (formerly PC Connection and Mac Connection) can be challenging to order from because they're a bulk reseller. I had to verify my identity using a land line in your name: I used a voip line that had a land line number ported to it. Haven't any issues after placing a dozen orders in the past year.
Mx Ultra - no M3 Ultra this time but should come on the M4 Chip later this year or latest 2025. Most people cannot exhaust M3 Max as it is, M4 is just going to be even more OP but if you can afford it, go for OP!
Has anyone tried putting these in a desktop with a proper cooler? Not a huge mac person, but would love to see a chip like that with real cooling to see how much more performance you can get out of it.
Or does Mac limit its performance even if the cooling were improved?
Not a bad price but nothing amazing. This spec should be $1200 and the 13" $999. The 8gb/256gb should be abolished.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
Not a bad price but nothing amazing. This spec should be $1200 and the 13" $999. The 8gb/256gb should be abolished.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
Hoping for a sale/price point this good direct from Apple during EDU sale...
I debated holding out to see if Apple would pile on a $150 gift card like they did last year but who knows. 'Genius' at the Apple store claims to not know anything. If they do it would net another $50 bucks but also the hassle of an eGC.
Not a bad price but nothing amazing. This spec should be $1200 and the 13" $999. The 8gb/256gb should be abolished.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
Agreed. These apple products are over priced. So many amazing Windows options for under $1500 that would beat the crap out of these Mac.
Not a bad price but nothing amazing. This spec should be $1200 and the 13" $999. The 8gb/256gb should be abolished.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
same question as the other guy - whered u find that deal?
Has anyone tried putting these in a desktop with a proper cooler? Not a huge mac person, but would love to see a chip like that with real cooling to see how much more performance you can get out of it.
Or does Mac limit its performance even if the cooling were improved?
Only M2 Ultra exists today (no M3 Ultra) and there is no cooling issue.
No overlocking data exists as cooling is not an issue with MacStudio or other "desktops"
Laptops can thermal throttle but only under sustained heavy load
If its performing this well in a laptop (the m3), wouldnt it perform better at even higher clocks in a desktop? Or would apple not allow to overclock?
(unfamiliar with apple)
You can't do anything with Apple for overclock like the BIOS settings you can do with PCs.
Can you change cooling, sure, but no one will make a kit because there is no room in the devices and people who bought the full desktop aren't the kind to care to overclock.
People who buy apple are not the kind to squeeze extra performance out of it with more power or more cooling.
Overclocking is a PC crowd thing, does not exist in Apple especially now Hackintosh is effectively dead as certain drivers are no longer going to work in the latest OS.
It can get confusing but it's just 3 variants now but you just need deal with *2*
M3 - this is in the Air models and base "Pro". 8 CPUs and 7-8 GPUs. Modest machine and 16GB can let you run local LLMs of 8B parameters which is around 5GB in size. You can run smaller models on 8GB machines. There are trade-offs but you can sure do a lot even with 8GB on some of the cool toys and hip AI trends.
M3 Pro - this is in the "Pro line" but need to check the CPU because the base 14" Pro has the regular M3 chip just like the Air. It's annoying but it happened. CPU is between 8 to 12 CPUs depending on pricing. GPU you can look it up but I don't think you're worried about that
Mind you that the base M3 chip is VERY fast, it is the fastest Single Core CPU right now on the Macbooks, M4 will be even faster but that's only in the iPad Pro right now. 16GB will last you a while, some people will poo poo on 8GB but I find it ok for students and casual users who are not running heavy apps required for "Engineering" as an example. For most people, if you're asking, you probably don't need Pro lines CPUs. Because if you are in a specific profession, you'd probably know the power you need and have already been exposed yourself or co-workers who knows which machine spec is necessary.
M3 Max - higher spec 14 or 16 CPUs and 30 or 40 GPUs
Mx Ultra - no M3 Ultra this time but should come on the M4 Chip later this year or latest 2025. Most people cannot exhaust M3 Max as it is, M4 is just going to be even more OP but if you can afford it, go for OP!
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The "Pro" term gets confusing when you can have use it with the M3 or MacBook (ex. M3 MacBook Pro vs M3 Pro MacBook Pro).
M3 - this is in the Air models and base "Pro". 8 CPUs and 7-8 GPUs. Modest machine and 16GB can let you run local LLMs of 8B parameters which is around 5GB in size. You can run smaller models on 8GB machines. There are trade-offs but you can sure do a lot even with 8GB on some of the cool toys and hip AI trends.
M3 Pro - this is in the "Pro line" but need to check the CPU because the base 14" Pro has the regular M3 chip just like the Air. It's annoying but it happened. CPU is between 8 to 12 CPUs depending on pricing. GPU you can look it up but I don't think you're worried about that
Mind you that the base M3 chip is VERY fast, it is the fastest Single Core CPU right now on the Macbooks, M4 will be even faster but that's only in the iPad Pro right now. 16GB will last you a while, some people will poo poo on 8GB but I find it ok for students and casual users who are not running heavy apps required for "Engineering" as an example. For most people, if you're asking, you probably don't need Pro lines CPUs. Because if you are in a specific profession, you'd probably know the power you need and have already been exposed yourself or co-workers who knows which machine spec is necessary.
M3 Max - higher spec 14 or 16 CPUs and 30 or 40 GPUs
Mx Ultra - no M3 Ultra this time but should come on the M4 Chip later this year or latest 2025. Most people cannot exhaust M3 Max as it is, M4 is just going to be even more OP but if you can afford it, go for OP!
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Smaller but miniLED screen, more ports, heavier, better speakers, single fan, space gray. The differences have been beaten to death on sd, but that's a quick summary. Think of it as an updated/upgraded replacement for the retired 13" touch bar MBP.
Connection (formerly PC Connection and Mac Connection) can be challenging to order from because they're a bulk reseller. I had to verify my identity using a land line in your name: I used a voip line that had a land line number ported to it. Haven't any issues after placing a dozen orders in the past year.
Mx Ultra - no M3 Ultra this time but should come on the M4 Chip later this year or latest 2025. Most people cannot exhaust M3 Max as it is, M4 is just going to be even more OP but if you can afford it, go for OP!
Or does Mac limit its performance even if the cooling were improved?
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
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I'm jealous.
Thanks OP.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
Agreed. These apple products are over priced. So many amazing Windows options for under $1500 that would beat the crap out of these Mac.
Although the air is more appealing to me, I did just pick up a gently used 14" M3 pro 18gb/512gb "space black" (very dark grey) for $1440 (total). New they're $2200 and Apple refurbished is $1970 (with tax). Hardly 2 months old and saved me $500-750. Sometimes used is worth it.
Or does Mac limit its performance even if the cooling were improved?
Only M2 Ultra exists today (no M3 Ultra) and there is no cooling issue.
No overlocking data exists as cooling is not an issue with MacStudio or other "desktops"
Laptops can thermal throttle but only under sustained heavy load
No overlocking data exists as cooling is not an issue with MacStudio or other "desktops"
Laptops can thermal throttle but only under sustained heavy load
(unfamiliar with apple)
(unfamiliar with apple)
Can you change cooling, sure, but no one will make a kit because there is no room in the devices and people who bought the full desktop aren't the kind to care to overclock.
People who buy apple are not the kind to squeeze extra performance out of it with more power or more cooling.
Overclocking is a PC crowd thing, does not exist in Apple especially now Hackintosh is effectively dead as certain drivers are no longer going to work in the latest OS.
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M3 - this is in the Air models and base "Pro". 8 CPUs and 7-8 GPUs. Modest machine and 16GB can let you run local LLMs of 8B parameters which is around 5GB in size. You can run smaller models on 8GB machines. There are trade-offs but you can sure do a lot even with 8GB on some of the cool toys and hip AI trends.
M3 Pro - this is in the "Pro line" but need to check the CPU because the base 14" Pro has the regular M3 chip just like the Air. It's annoying but it happened. CPU is between 8 to 12 CPUs depending on pricing. GPU you can look it up but I don't think you're worried about that
Mind you that the base M3 chip is VERY fast, it is the fastest Single Core CPU right now on the Macbooks, M4 will be even faster but that's only in the iPad Pro right now. 16GB will last you a while, some people will poo poo on 8GB but I find it ok for students and casual users who are not running heavy apps required for "Engineering" as an example. For most people, if you're asking, you probably don't need Pro lines CPUs. Because if you are in a specific profession, you'd probably know the power you need and have already been exposed yourself or co-workers who knows which machine spec is necessary.
M3 Max - higher spec 14 or 16 CPUs and 30 or 40 GPUs
Mx Ultra - no M3 Ultra this time but should come on the M4 Chip later this year or latest 2025. Most people cannot exhaust M3 Max as it is, M4 is just going to be even more OP but if you can afford it, go for OP!