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64GB (2x32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 6400 DDR5 Desktop RAM

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$172

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Newegg via eBay has 64GB (2x32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 6400 DDR5 RAM (F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK) for $214.99 - 20% off with coupon code JULY4DEALS (apply at checkout) = $171.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Staff Member Eragorn for finding this deal.

Specs (link):
  • Memory Type: DDR5
  • Capacity: 64GB (32GBx2)
  • Multi-Channel Kit: Dual Channel Kit
  • Tested Speed (XMP/EXPO): 6400 MT/s
  • Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO): 32-39-39-102
  • Tested Voltage (XMP/EXPO): 1.40V
  • Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
  • Err or Checking (ECC): Non-ECC
  • SPD Speed (Default): 4800 MT/s
  • SPD Voltage (Default): 1.10V
  • Warranty: Limited Lifetime
  • Features: Intel XMP 3.0 (Extreme Memory Profile) Ready

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  • About this Offer:
    • This is $23 lower than the next lowest price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $195.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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Newegg via eBay has 64GB (2x32GB) G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 6400 DDR5 RAM (F5-6400J3239G32GX2-TZ5RK) for $214.99 - 20% off with coupon code JULY4DEALS (apply at checkout) = $171.99. Shipping is free.

Thanks to Staff Member Eragorn for finding this deal.

Specs (link):
  • Memory Type: DDR5
  • Capacity: 64GB (32GBx2)
  • Multi-Channel Kit: Dual Channel Kit
  • Tested Speed (XMP/EXPO): 6400 MT/s
  • Tested Latency (XMP/EXPO): 32-39-39-102
  • Tested Voltage (XMP/EXPO): 1.40V
  • Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
  • Err or Checking (ECC): Non-ECC
  • SPD Speed (Default): 4800 MT/s
  • SPD Voltage (Default): 1.10V
  • Warranty: Limited Lifetime
  • Features: Intel XMP 3.0 (Extreme Memory Profile) Ready

Editor's Notes

Written by RevOne | Staff
  • About this Offer:
    • This is $23 lower than the next lowest price from a reputable merchant with prices starting from $195.
  • Please see the original post for additional details & give the WIKI and additional forum comments a read for helpful discussion.

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BeigeRoad455
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Ddr5 6000 cl30 and ddr5 6400 cl32 generally use the exact same hynix memory chips with very similar binning; so if you'll be manually tuning your memory there's functionally no difference for either intel or amd. Latency is also functionally identical. The performance difference between ddr5 6000 cl30 and ddr5 6400 cl32 with default expo or xmp timings is quite minimal on both amd and intel systems (assuming settings are left at default expo/xmp, and that on amd you aren't increasing the uclk (memory clock for the cpu's memory controller) or fclk (cpu's fabric clock) for the 6400 kit). Intel systems will utilize ddr5 6400 properly straight out of the box. With amd, if you're unwilling to properly stress test your system to see if it can handle a 3200mhz uclk (and an increase of fclk to 2100 or 2133mhz to go with it), you'd be best served simply using the expo settings from an equivalent 6000 cl30 kit using the same memory chips, the binning is extremely similar. Timings will be trash, but that's normal with expo/xmp, and stability is king for most use cases. While this kit is technically meant for intel since it only has xmp, realistically it shouldn't cause any issues on an amd system.

The reason ddr5 6000 is generally considered the sweet spot for amd zen 4 is that the memory controller clock can be run at a 1:1 ratio with the the memory regardless of silicon quality (clock of 3000mhz, remember ddr is double data rate, meaning ddr5 6000mt/s is 3000mhz). For amd systems, in your bios make sure that uclck is set equal to mclck (the setting should be called something like uclk div1 mode), all non-defective zen 4 cpus should be capable of running the memory controller at 3000mhz without errors. With earlier agesa versions you'd have to win the silicon lottery in order to have a memory controller capable of running at 3200mhz with absolute stability, which is required to be 1:1 with ddr5 6400. Recent agesa updates have improved this, but it's still not absolutely guaranteed every zen 4 cpu will have a memory controller capable of running at 3200mhz. Additionally, you'll want to set your fclk to at least 2100mhz for ddr5 6400 memory, which once again not all zen 4 cpus are able to do. Therefore, the guidance of ddr5 6000 being the "sweet spot" still applies. Simply put, if you aren't interested in learning how to properly tune and stress test your system, just stick with ddr5 6000 for zen 4.

It's also important to remember that this 64gb (2x32) kit is dual rank rather than single rank like the 32gb (2x16) kits you'll normally see. There are some (very) minor performance benefits to having 2 ranks per channel, though this also means you won't be able to push the clock of this ram as high with overclocking.

Ultimately, if you truly need 64gb of ram, this is a rather good price. This is the cheapest I've seen in a while for a 64gb kit from a reputable manufacturer with hynix memory chips, which are the the best chips currently available (all higher end kits are simply using better bins of these chips). However, I'd caution gamers and those who don't have memory intensive workloads that require massive amounts of ram to stick with cheaper 32gb kits. Having 32gb is already overkill for gaming and essentially all non-productivity use-cases, and trying to future-proof based on capacity isn't worthwhile at all. A few years from now, if you end up needing more ram, you'll be able to get higher capacity and faster kits for less money.

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Jul 01, 2024 07:28 PM
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hubernomiddlesngJul 01, 2024 07:28 PM
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Quote from redvibez :
I agree with your formula. But that just means it doesn't matter what order it's in because you would always add the same tax rate applied to the original. I.e

(215 * .8) + (215 * tax rate)
Is the same as
(215 * tax rate) + (215 * .8)

Funnily, even though they do the discounts and tax differently than I thought, the order still doesn't matter.

Dude. Literally just test it out yourself on any ebay item that is eligible for the July 4th promo, there's a lot of them.

And the correct formula should be for the final price (215*0.8*tax rate) + (215*0.8) = (215*0.8*(1+tax rate)) if they did the order correctly. Which is not the same equation as final price (215*tax rate) + (215*0.8) = (215*0.8) + (215*tax rate)
Last edited by herbsprovence July 1, 2024 at 12:35 PM.
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Jul 01, 2024 07:38 PM
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redvibezJul 01, 2024 07:38 PM
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Quote from herbsprovence :
Dude. Literally just test it out yourself on any ebay item that is eligible for the July 4th promo, there's a lot of them.

And the correct formula should be for the final price (215*0.8*tax rate) + (215*0.8) = (215*0.8*(1+tax rate)) if they did the order correctly. Which is not the same equation as final price (215*tax rate) + (215*0.8) = (215*0.8) + (215*tax rate)
Your formula is my original formula but his formula:

(215 * .8) + (215 * 0.1) where 0.1 = tax rate

Is the correct formula. I've tested it out myself.

But either formula, I'm pointing out that order still doesn't matter.
Jul 01, 2024 07:40 PM
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motaku96Jul 01, 2024 07:40 PM
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Quote from redvibez :
I agree with your formula. But that just means it doesn't matter what order it's in because you would always add the same tax rate applied to the original. I.e

(215 * .8) + (215 * tax rate)
Is the same as
(215 * tax rate) + (215 * .8)

Funnily, even though they do the discounts and tax differently than I thought, the order still doesn't matter.
shake head
Both of those are taxing at $215.
Swapping the order is not changing when the discount is applied. The 215 being multiplied by the tax is what's important.
Let's just use some solid numbers to make it easier. Tax in NY is .08875.
With the way ebay's coupon works:
(Price of item) + (Cost of tax)
(215 * .8) + (215 * .08875)
172 + 19.08
191.08

In most other stores where coupon would reduce the price before tax calculation
(Price of item) + (Cost of tax)
(215 * .8) + ((215 * .8) * .08875)
172 + ((172) * .08875)
172 + (15.27)
187.27
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Jul 01, 2024 07:53 PM
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hubernomiddlesngJul 01, 2024 07:53 PM
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Quote from redvibez :
Your formula is my original formula but his formula:

(215 * .8) + (215 * 0.1) where 0.1 = tax rate

Is the correct formula. I've tested it out myself.

But either formula, I'm pointing out that order still doesn't matter.
No one here is talking about pemdas, we're talking about how those two formulas are different because of how ebay does the math. If they discounted the subtotal before the tax, then it would be cheaper but they discounted the subtotal after the tax, making it more expensive.
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Jul 01, 2024 08:12 PM
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redvibezJul 01, 2024 08:12 PM
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Quote from motaku96 :

Both of those are taxing at $215.
Swapping the order is not changing when the discount is applied. The 215 being multiplied by the tax is what's important.
Let's just use some solid numbers to make it easier. Tax in NY is .08875.
With the way ebay's coupon works:
(Price of item) + (Cost of tax)
(215 * .8) + (215 * .08875)
172 + 19.08
191.08

In most other stores where coupon would reduce the price before tax calculation
(Price of item) + (Cost of tax)
(215 * .8) + ((215 * .8) * .08875)
172 + ((172) * .08875)
172 + (15.27)
187.27
This highlights that it's not the order that matters, it's whether they let you apply the discount to your taxes or not. Take a look at your two calculations and you'll notice it doesn't switch any order, it just applies the discount and the tax separately or together*.

*The second calculation can be rearranged to be (215 * .8 * 1.08875) which is calculated together, ie what you call "before tax".
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Jul 01, 2024 08:14 PM
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redvibezJul 01, 2024 08:14 PM
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Quote from herbsprovence :
No one here is talking about pemdas, we're talking about how those two formulas are different because of how ebay does the math. If they discounted the subtotal before the tax, then it would be cheaper but they discounted the subtotal after the tax, making it more expensive.
It was never about PEMDAS. This is about how taxing and discounting works. Specifically eBay calculates the tax and discount separately, so whether you do the tax first or the discount first doesn't matter since it's in parallel, ie both the tax and the discount are taken from the original price.

When it's calculated in series, that's what we commonly think of as before tax, when it's calculated in parallel, that's commonly thought of as after tax.

So all in all, the order isn't what's causing the difference, it's whether the discount and tax are applied in series or in parallel. This is often confused as order.
Last edited by redvibez July 1, 2024 at 04:11 PM.
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