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Breville Bambino uses thermoblock, so it heats up water as it flows.
where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
Personally I think the Bambino's 10 second heat up time is a gimmick because the portafilter is still cold. The water might be hot but my extraction is going to suck if the group robs all the heat away.
Because that's not the whole story. 10 minutes means the entire system gets up to temperature, including the relatively large steam boiler, the group, and the portafilter. All this equates to impressively stable brewing temperatures and great steaming performance. No need to preheat the portafilter, and the water temperature coming out of the group is much more consistent, check out Kaffeemacher's review on youtube. It also goes without saying that the stone is extremely serviceable and can be maintained to run indefinitely. Sadly Breville still does not provide parts for their machines, and they are a pain to service the internals. I personally think this thing is a steal, and pretty handsome in person. I own the Lite version, in addition to a La Marzocco GS3, and I admittedly use this machine much more often, with extremely similar results.
10 min heat up time? How is this better than a $400 Breville Bambino Plus with 10 second heat up time?
Personally I think the Bambino's 10 second heat up time is a gimmick because the portafilter is still cold. The water might be hot but my extraction is going to suck if the group robs all the heat away.
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10 min heat up time? How is this better than a $400 Breville Bambino Plus with 10 second heat up time?
Because that's not the whole story. 10 minutes means the entire system gets up to temperature, including the relatively large steam boiler, the group, and the portafilter. All this equates to impressively stable brewing temperatures and great steaming performance. No need to preheat the portafilter, and the water temperature coming out of the group is much more consistent, check out Kaffeemacher's review on youtube. It also goes without saying that the stone is extremely serviceable and can be maintained to run indefinitely. Sadly Breville still does not provide parts for their machines, and they are a pain to service the internals. I personally think this thing is a steal, and pretty handsome in person. I own the Lite version, in addition to a La Marzocco GS3, and I admittedly use this machine much more often, with extremely similar results.
Last edited by AquaStraw178 July 25, 2024 at 02:35 PM.
Personally I think the Bambino's 10 second heat up time is a gimmick because the portafilter is still cold. The water might be hot but my extraction is going to suck if the group robs all the heat away.
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10 min heat up time? How is this better than a $400 Breville Bambino Plus with 10 second heat up time?
Breville Bambino uses thermoblock, so it heats up water as it flows.
where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
Last edited by seanleeforever July 25, 2024 at 03:14 PM.
This appears to be a 'style' brand aimed at younger buyers fixated on decor. At least the parentage of Rocket/ECM means its capable, but I question 10 minutes for temp stability of all that brass, which appears/tries to mimic an E61 group. Also pointing out you'll need a mid to high dollar grinder to get this machine close to its potential.
Is this a good machine or just super inflated msrp to make us feel like we get a discount
It's not a super inflated MSRP in my opinion. it's in line with other machines in that price point, I just think the machine wasn't as popular as the creators expected so it's probably getting discounted and eventually clearanced out.
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where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
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where as boiler machine heats up a pot of water. so it requires more energy, and therefor time.
but thermoblock has its issues, lots of issues if you aim for perfection: the temperature coming out of the thermoblock is inversely proportional to the speed of the flow. if you have a perfect flow, e,g, around 27 seconds for 1:2 ratio, then it works wonders, but if you flow differs, say it is bit too fast, then not only you take the penalty of under extraction due to fast flow, but also much lower temperature. so instead of be able to fix two variables out of three (grind size, temperature, time) and fine tune your drink one variable at a time, you are now moving two variables at the same time. this is extremely hard to do if you want consistent good taste of light roast coffee.
you don't have to take my word for it, got yourself a thermometer and test the water out of the Bambino (or anyother thermoblock machine), turn it on and just see the number jumps from 95 to 80 in no time. you would be lucky to have 15ml of water at desired temperature before it fluctuates
i personally have/had espresso machine priced from 200 dollar to 4000 dollars, i think the single most improvement one can do as far as espresso machine is concerned is to move to dual boiler with PID (so you do milk based drink much faster and better). but this been a HX at this price is probably as good as it goes. i won't mind getting it if i were to throw away my current setup
Heat exchanger vs thermoblock
Metal build vs plastic
Not setup at 15 bar
(I have a Breville Barista Express, which is similar to the bambino, and this seems like quite an upgrade)
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